Black Caps - Bangladesh tour 2021
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@sprinko said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
Was about to say T20 WC will be CDG’s swan song if he makes it that far, but of course he wasn’t selected for it in any case.
Been a legend, and may play a few more tests this season, but Father Time says Ciao BellaYou're definition of legend is obviously a lot broader and more generous than mine.
By your reckoning how many legends has NZC had - 200 - 300?
@dogmeat said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
You're definition of legend is obviously a lot broader and more generous than mine.
His mullet was sensational, and gets legendary status
Seriously, though, he was a key cog in our team for a few years. Did plenty, but not sure was a 'legend'.
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I watched us bat, Young played really well, started a bit shaky but grew in confidence. Used the sweep shot really well to negate the spin.
The balls that got Latham and Nicholls turned a fucking mile, basically unplayable, though Latham probably should have stayed in his crease with the ball turning away. CdG is absolutely all at sea on a turning pitch which is not unexpected at all.
We really just needed one more of the top order to put on 30 odd and we would have had enough to win. It's actually a pretty interesting battle, and I don't mind the batsmen being made to work extra hard for their runs for once in a T20.
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@sprinko said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
Was about to say T20 WC will be CDG’s swan song if he makes it that far, but of course he wasn’t selected for it in any case.
Been a legend, and may play a few more tests this season, but Father Time says Ciao BellaYou're definition of legend is obviously a lot broader and more generous than mine.
By your reckoning how many legends has NZC had - 200 - 300?
@dogmeat said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@sprinko said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
Was about to say T20 WC will be CDG’s swan song if he makes it that far, but of course he wasn’t selected for it in any case.
Been a legend, and may play a few more tests this season, but Father Time says Ciao BellaYou're definition of legend is obviously a lot broader and more generous than mine.
By your reckoning how many legends has NZC had - 200 - 300?
You did that to annoy me didn't you?
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I watched us bat, Young played really well, started a bit shaky but grew in confidence. Used the sweep shot really well to negate the spin.
The balls that got Latham and Nicholls turned a fucking mile, basically unplayable, though Latham probably should have stayed in his crease with the ball turning away. CdG is absolutely all at sea on a turning pitch which is not unexpected at all.
We really just needed one more of the top order to put on 30 odd and we would have had enough to win. It's actually a pretty interesting battle, and I don't mind the batsmen being made to work extra hard for their runs for once in a T20.
@no-quarter said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
I watched us bat, Young played really well, started a bit shaky but grew in confidence. Used the sweep shot really well to negate the spin.
The balls that got Latham and Nicholls turned a fucking mile, basically unplayable, though Latham probably should have stayed in his crease with the ball turning away. CdG is absolutely all at sea on a turning pitch which is not unexpected at all.
We really just needed one more of the top order to put on 30 odd and we would have had enough to win. It's actually a pretty interesting battle, and I don't mind the batsmen being made to work extra hard for their runs for once in a T20.
I felt like Allen was the most criminal. He looked really comfortable and holed out trying to repeat the reverse sweep he put into the stands. After stuffing up his second attempt he should have exercised a little more control.
Young looked terrible at the start but he battled his way into form, very impressive
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@dogmeat said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@sprinko said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
Was about to say T20 WC will be CDG’s swan song if he makes it that far, but of course he wasn’t selected for it in any case.
Been a legend, and may play a few more tests this season, but Father Time says Ciao BellaYou're definition of legend is obviously a lot broader and more generous than mine.
By your reckoning how many legends has NZC had - 200 - 300?
You did that to annoy me didn't you?
@booboo said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@dogmeat said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@sprinko said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
Was about to say T20 WC will be CDG’s swan song if he makes it that far, but of course he wasn’t selected for it in any case.
Been a legend, and may play a few more tests this season, but Father Time says Ciao BellaYou're definition of legend is obviously a lot broader and more generous than mine.
By your reckoning how many legends has NZC had - 200 - 300?
You did that to annoy me didn't you?
:hushed_face:
Nah. Mea Culpa
Is a bonus though
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I watched us bat, Young played really well, started a bit shaky but grew in confidence. Used the sweep shot really well to negate the spin.
The balls that got Latham and Nicholls turned a fucking mile, basically unplayable, though Latham probably should have stayed in his crease with the ball turning away. CdG is absolutely all at sea on a turning pitch which is not unexpected at all.
We really just needed one more of the top order to put on 30 odd and we would have had enough to win. It's actually a pretty interesting battle, and I don't mind the batsmen being made to work extra hard for their runs for once in a T20.
@no-quarter said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
I watched us bat, Young played really well, started a bit shaky but grew in confidence. Used the sweep shot really well to negate the spin.
The balls that got Latham and Nicholls turned a fucking mile, basically unplayable, though Latham probably should have stayed in his crease with the ball turning away. CdG is absolutely all at sea on a turning pitch which is not unexpected at all.
We really just needed one more of the top order to put on 30 odd and we would have had enough to win. It's actually a pretty interesting battle, and I don't mind the batsmen being made to work extra hard for their runs for once in a T20.
Yeah, I don't actually mind these low scoring games. A totally different experience than we are used to but still entertaining.
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@dogmeat said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
You're definition of legend is obviously a lot broader and more generous than mine.
His mullet was sensational, and gets legendary status
Seriously, though, he was a key cog in our team for a few years. Did plenty, but not sure was a 'legend'.
@nzzp said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@dogmeat said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
You're definition of legend is obviously a lot broader and more generous than mine.
His mullet was sensational, and gets legendary status
Seriously, though, he was a key cog in our team for a few years. Did plenty, but not sure was a 'legend'.
Well he was an automatic pick in the test team ( where his numbers are still good, quite Stokes like in fact although he’s overrated ) but then again his competition for that All Rounder spot was Santner or Mitchell….both kinda uninspiring alternatives.
With who we have as cattle in the most important format of all it wouldn’t be fair on other teams if Paddles, Cainsy or Dan the Man played in this era.
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@nzzp said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@dogmeat said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
You're definition of legend is obviously a lot broader and more generous than mine.
His mullet was sensational, and gets legendary status
Seriously, though, he was a key cog in our team for a few years. Did plenty, but not sure was a 'legend'.
Well he was an automatic pick in the test team ( where his numbers are still good, quite Stokes like in fact although he’s overrated ) but then again his competition for that All Rounder spot was Santner or Mitchell….both kinda uninspiring alternatives.
With who we have as cattle in the most important format of all it wouldn’t be fair on other teams if Paddles, Cainsy or Dan the Man played in this era.
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@nzzp said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@dogmeat said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
You're definition of legend is obviously a lot broader and more generous than mine.
His mullet was sensational, and gets legendary status
Seriously, though, he was a key cog in our team for a few years. Did plenty, but not sure was a 'legend'.
Well he was an automatic pick in the test team ( where his numbers are still good, quite Stokes like in fact although he’s overrated ) but then again his competition for that All Rounder spot was Santner or Mitchell….both kinda uninspiring alternatives.
With who we have as cattle in the most important format of all it wouldn’t be fair on other teams if Paddles, Cainsy or Dan the Man played in this era.
Without actually checking, I'd suspect his numbers were much better in NZ than abroad. As for his place in the test team, he was very lucky to make the WTC finals team, IMHO Patel deserved it more; he can hold a bat and his bowling represents a point of difference from the seam attack, a genuine wicket taking spinner
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@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@nzzp said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@dogmeat said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
You're definition of legend is obviously a lot broader and more generous than mine.
His mullet was sensational, and gets legendary status
Seriously, though, he was a key cog in our team for a few years. Did plenty, but not sure was a 'legend'.
Well he was an automatic pick in the test team ( where his numbers are still good, quite Stokes like in fact although he’s overrated ) but then again his competition for that All Rounder spot was Santner or Mitchell….both kinda uninspiring alternatives.
With who we have as cattle in the most important format of all it wouldn’t be fair on other teams if Paddles, Cainsy or Dan the Man played in this era.
Without actually checking, I'd suspect his numbers were much better in NZ than abroad. As for his place in the test team, he was very lucky to make the WTC finals team, IMHO Patel deserved it more; he can hold a bat and his bowling represents a point of difference from the seam attack, a genuine wicket taking spinner
@canefan said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@nzzp said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@dogmeat said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
You're definition of legend is obviously a lot broader and more generous than mine.
His mullet was sensational, and gets legendary status
Seriously, though, he was a key cog in our team for a few years. Did plenty, but not sure was a 'legend'.
Well he was an automatic pick in the test team ( where his numbers are still good, quite Stokes like in fact although he’s overrated ) but then again his competition for that All Rounder spot was Santner or Mitchell….both kinda uninspiring alternatives.
With who we have as cattle in the most important format of all it wouldn’t be fair on other teams if Paddles, Cainsy or Dan the Man played in this era.
Without actually checking, I'd suspect his numbers were much better in NZ than abroad. As for his place in the test team, he was very lucky to make the WTC finals team, IMHO Patel deserved it more; he can hold a bat and his bowling represents a point of difference from the seam attack, a genuine wicket taking spinner
Who's aren't? Apart from the tweakers obviously
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@canefan said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@nzzp said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@dogmeat said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
You're definition of legend is obviously a lot broader and more generous than mine.
His mullet was sensational, and gets legendary status
Seriously, though, he was a key cog in our team for a few years. Did plenty, but not sure was a 'legend'.
Well he was an automatic pick in the test team ( where his numbers are still good, quite Stokes like in fact although he’s overrated ) but then again his competition for that All Rounder spot was Santner or Mitchell….both kinda uninspiring alternatives.
With who we have as cattle in the most important format of all it wouldn’t be fair on other teams if Paddles, Cainsy or Dan the Man played in this era.
Without actually checking, I'd suspect his numbers were much better in NZ than abroad. As for his place in the test team, he was very lucky to make the WTC finals team, IMHO Patel deserved it more; he can hold a bat and his bowling represents a point of difference from the seam attack, a genuine wicket taking spinner
Who's aren't? Apart from the tweakers obviously
.@delicatessen said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@canefan said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@nzzp said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@dogmeat said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
You're definition of legend is obviously a lot broader and more generous than mine.
His mullet was sensational, and gets legendary status
Seriously, though, he was a key cog in our team for a few years. Did plenty, but not sure was a 'legend'.
Well he was an automatic pick in the test team ( where his numbers are still good, quite Stokes like in fact although he’s overrated ) but then again his competition for that All Rounder spot was Santner or Mitchell….both kinda uninspiring alternatives.
With who we have as cattle in the most important format of all it wouldn’t be fair on other teams if Paddles, Cainsy or Dan the Man played in this era.
Without actually checking, I'd suspect his numbers were much better in NZ than abroad. As for his place in the test team, he was very lucky to make the WTC finals team, IMHO Patel deserved it more; he can hold a bat and his bowling represents a point of difference from the seam attack, a genuine wicket taking spinner
Who's aren't? Apart from the tweakers obviously
.By a really long way. We've won test series abroad almost everywhere except aussie in the last few years in a variet of conditions, so someone can play abroad
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@delicatessen said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@canefan said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@nzzp said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@dogmeat said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
You're definition of legend is obviously a lot broader and more generous than mine.
His mullet was sensational, and gets legendary status
Seriously, though, he was a key cog in our team for a few years. Did plenty, but not sure was a 'legend'.
Well he was an automatic pick in the test team ( where his numbers are still good, quite Stokes like in fact although he’s overrated ) but then again his competition for that All Rounder spot was Santner or Mitchell….both kinda uninspiring alternatives.
With who we have as cattle in the most important format of all it wouldn’t be fair on other teams if Paddles, Cainsy or Dan the Man played in this era.
Without actually checking, I'd suspect his numbers were much better in NZ than abroad. As for his place in the test team, he was very lucky to make the WTC finals team, IMHO Patel deserved it more; he can hold a bat and his bowling represents a point of difference from the seam attack, a genuine wicket taking spinner
Who's aren't? Apart from the tweakers obviously
.By a really long way. We've won test series abroad almost everywhere except aussie in the last few years in a variet of conditions, so someone can play abroad
@canefan said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@delicatessen said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@canefan said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@nzzp said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@dogmeat said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
You're definition of legend is obviously a lot broader and more generous than mine.
His mullet was sensational, and gets legendary status
Seriously, though, he was a key cog in our team for a few years. Did plenty, but not sure was a 'legend'.
Well he was an automatic pick in the test team ( where his numbers are still good, quite Stokes like in fact although he’s overrated ) but then again his competition for that All Rounder spot was Santner or Mitchell….both kinda uninspiring alternatives.
With who we have as cattle in the most important format of all it wouldn’t be fair on other teams if Paddles, Cainsy or Dan the Man played in this era.
Without actually checking, I'd suspect his numbers were much better in NZ than abroad. As for his place in the test team, he was very lucky to make the WTC finals team, IMHO Patel deserved it more; he can hold a bat and his bowling represents a point of difference from the seam attack, a genuine wicket taking spinner
Who's aren't? Apart from the tweakers obviously
.By a really long way. We've won test series abroad almost everywhere except aussie in the last few years in a variet of conditions, so someone can play abroad
And India. And South Africa.
We've won in England, which is like home on steroids. Everyone else we've played have been pretty shit, in which case CdG probably did alright.
Don't worry, I'm not checking any 'facts' either.
Besides which his record is worse than everyone else in the team anyway - a worse batter than the batters, and a worse bowler than the bowlers.
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@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@nzzp said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@dogmeat said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
You're definition of legend is obviously a lot broader and more generous than mine.
His mullet was sensational, and gets legendary status
Seriously, though, he was a key cog in our team for a few years. Did plenty, but not sure was a 'legend'.
Well he was an automatic pick in the test team ( where his numbers are still good, quite Stokes like in fact although he’s overrated ) but then again his competition for that All Rounder spot was Santner or Mitchell….both kinda uninspiring alternatives.
With who we have as cattle in the most important format of all it wouldn’t be fair on other teams if Paddles, Cainsy or Dan the Man played in this era.
Without actually checking, I'd suspect his numbers were much better in NZ than abroad. As for his place in the test team, he was very lucky to make the WTC finals team, IMHO Patel deserved it more; he can hold a bat and his bowling represents a point of difference from the seam attack, a genuine wicket taking spinner
@canefan said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@nzzp said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@dogmeat said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
You're definition of legend is obviously a lot broader and more generous than mine.
His mullet was sensational, and gets legendary status
Seriously, though, he was a key cog in our team for a few years. Did plenty, but not sure was a 'legend'.
Well he was an automatic pick in the test team ( where his numbers are still good, quite Stokes like in fact although he’s overrated ) but then again his competition for that All Rounder spot was Santner or Mitchell….both kinda uninspiring alternatives.
With who we have as cattle in the most important format of all it wouldn’t be fair on other teams if Paddles, Cainsy or Dan the Man played in this era.
Without actually checking, I'd suspect his numbers were much better in NZ than abroad. As for his place in the test team, he was very lucky to make the WTC finals team, IMHO Patel deserved it more; he can hold a bat and his bowling represents a point of difference from the seam attack, a genuine wicket taking spinner
As discussed at length on here there were 10 players absolutely locked in, whoever was 11th was gonna be a step down.
I’m not sure a guy with just a single 50 across ALL formats can “hold a bat” so that’s not much of an argument. Also is his spinning really that good or only good compared to what we’ve had before ? Two “Michelle’s” indicate he’s probably worth another go I guess.
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@canefan said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@nzzp said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@dogmeat said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
You're definition of legend is obviously a lot broader and more generous than mine.
His mullet was sensational, and gets legendary status
Seriously, though, he was a key cog in our team for a few years. Did plenty, but not sure was a 'legend'.
Well he was an automatic pick in the test team ( where his numbers are still good, quite Stokes like in fact although he’s overrated ) but then again his competition for that All Rounder spot was Santner or Mitchell….both kinda uninspiring alternatives.
With who we have as cattle in the most important format of all it wouldn’t be fair on other teams if Paddles, Cainsy or Dan the Man played in this era.
Without actually checking, I'd suspect his numbers were much better in NZ than abroad. As for his place in the test team, he was very lucky to make the WTC finals team, IMHO Patel deserved it more; he can hold a bat and his bowling represents a point of difference from the seam attack, a genuine wicket taking spinner
As discussed at length on here there were 10 players absolutely locked in, whoever was 11th was gonna be a step down.
I’m not sure a guy with just a single 50 across ALL formats can “hold a bat” so that’s not much of an argument. Also is his spinning really that good or only good compared to what we’ve had before ? Two “Michelle’s” indicate he’s probably worth another go I guess.
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@canefan said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@nzzp said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@dogmeat said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
You're definition of legend is obviously a lot broader and more generous than mine.
His mullet was sensational, and gets legendary status
Seriously, though, he was a key cog in our team for a few years. Did plenty, but not sure was a 'legend'.
Well he was an automatic pick in the test team ( where his numbers are still good, quite Stokes like in fact although he’s overrated ) but then again his competition for that All Rounder spot was Santner or Mitchell….both kinda uninspiring alternatives.
With who we have as cattle in the most important format of all it wouldn’t be fair on other teams if Paddles, Cainsy or Dan the Man played in this era.
Without actually checking, I'd suspect his numbers were much better in NZ than abroad. As for his place in the test team, he was very lucky to make the WTC finals team, IMHO Patel deserved it more; he can hold a bat and his bowling represents a point of difference from the seam attack, a genuine wicket taking spinner
As discussed at length on here there were 10 players absolutely locked in, whoever was 11th was gonna be a step down.
I’m not sure a guy with just a single 50 across ALL formats can “hold a bat” so that’s not much of an argument. Also is his spinning really that good or only good compared to what we’ve had before ? Two “Michelle’s” indicate he’s probably worth another go I guess.
Yeah a bit light in the batting. But Colin's average over the last year or so must be dire anyway. Patel took his fair share of the wickets in the two lead up tests, and got a score as well IRRC. I know the English comms love his game because it's well suited to their conditions. But mentally he just isn't there right now
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@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@canefan said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@nzzp said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@dogmeat said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
You're definition of legend is obviously a lot broader and more generous than mine.
His mullet was sensational, and gets legendary status
Seriously, though, he was a key cog in our team for a few years. Did plenty, but not sure was a 'legend'.
Well he was an automatic pick in the test team ( where his numbers are still good, quite Stokes like in fact although he’s overrated ) but then again his competition for that All Rounder spot was Santner or Mitchell….both kinda uninspiring alternatives.
With who we have as cattle in the most important format of all it wouldn’t be fair on other teams if Paddles, Cainsy or Dan the Man played in this era.
Without actually checking, I'd suspect his numbers were much better in NZ than abroad. As for his place in the test team, he was very lucky to make the WTC finals team, IMHO Patel deserved it more; he can hold a bat and his bowling represents a point of difference from the seam attack, a genuine wicket taking spinner
As discussed at length on here there were 10 players absolutely locked in, whoever was 11th was gonna be a step down.
I’m not sure a guy with just a single 50 across ALL formats can “hold a bat” so that’s not much of an argument. Also is his spinning really that good or only good compared to what we’ve had before ? Two “Michelle’s” indicate he’s probably worth another go I guess.
Yeah a bit light in the batting. But Colin's average over the last year or so must be dire anyway. Patel took his fair share of the wickets in the two lead up tests, and got a score as well IRRC. I know the English comms love his game because it's well suited to their conditions. But mentally he just isn't there right now
@canefan said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@canefan said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@nzzp said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@dogmeat said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
You're definition of legend is obviously a lot broader and more generous than mine.
His mullet was sensational, and gets legendary status
Seriously, though, he was a key cog in our team for a few years. Did plenty, but not sure was a 'legend'.
Well he was an automatic pick in the test team ( where his numbers are still good, quite Stokes like in fact although he’s overrated ) but then again his competition for that All Rounder spot was Santner or Mitchell….both kinda uninspiring alternatives.
With who we have as cattle in the most important format of all it wouldn’t be fair on other teams if Paddles, Cainsy or Dan the Man played in this era.
Without actually checking, I'd suspect his numbers were much better in NZ than abroad. As for his place in the test team, he was very lucky to make the WTC finals team, IMHO Patel deserved it more; he can hold a bat and his bowling represents a point of difference from the seam attack, a genuine wicket taking spinner
As discussed at length on here there were 10 players absolutely locked in, whoever was 11th was gonna be a step down.
I’m not sure a guy with just a single 50 across ALL formats can “hold a bat” so that’s not much of an argument. Also is his spinning really that good or only good compared to what we’ve had before ? Two “Michelle’s” indicate he’s probably worth another go I guess.
Yeah a bit light in the batting. But Colin's average over the last year or so must be dire anyway. Patel took his fair share of the wickets in the two lead up tests, and got a score as well IRRC. I know the English comms love his game because it's well suited to their conditions. But mentally he just isn't there right now
I guess the question is if Jamieson is a true all rounder and if he bats seven then does Patel get in ? Blundell should walk into six with no trouble now that Watling has gone. If all that comes to pass then maybe CDGH ( respective batting and bowling figures getting worse ) drops out. 7 Jamieson 8 Southee 9 Wagner 10 Patel 11 Boult.
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@canefan said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@canefan said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@nzzp said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@dogmeat said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
You're definition of legend is obviously a lot broader and more generous than mine.
His mullet was sensational, and gets legendary status
Seriously, though, he was a key cog in our team for a few years. Did plenty, but not sure was a 'legend'.
Well he was an automatic pick in the test team ( where his numbers are still good, quite Stokes like in fact although he’s overrated ) but then again his competition for that All Rounder spot was Santner or Mitchell….both kinda uninspiring alternatives.
With who we have as cattle in the most important format of all it wouldn’t be fair on other teams if Paddles, Cainsy or Dan the Man played in this era.
Without actually checking, I'd suspect his numbers were much better in NZ than abroad. As for his place in the test team, he was very lucky to make the WTC finals team, IMHO Patel deserved it more; he can hold a bat and his bowling represents a point of difference from the seam attack, a genuine wicket taking spinner
As discussed at length on here there were 10 players absolutely locked in, whoever was 11th was gonna be a step down.
I’m not sure a guy with just a single 50 across ALL formats can “hold a bat” so that’s not much of an argument. Also is his spinning really that good or only good compared to what we’ve had before ? Two “Michelle’s” indicate he’s probably worth another go I guess.
Yeah a bit light in the batting. But Colin's average over the last year or so must be dire anyway. Patel took his fair share of the wickets in the two lead up tests, and got a score as well IRRC. I know the English comms love his game because it's well suited to their conditions. But mentally he just isn't there right now
I guess the question is if Jamieson is a true all rounder and if he bats seven then does Patel get in ? Blundell should walk into six with no trouble now that Watling has gone. If all that comes to pass then maybe CDGH ( respective batting and bowling figures getting worse ) drops out. 7 Jamieson 8 Southee 9 Wagner 10 Patel 11 Boult.
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@canefan said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@canefan said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@nzzp said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@dogmeat said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
You're definition of legend is obviously a lot broader and more generous than mine.
His mullet was sensational, and gets legendary status
Seriously, though, he was a key cog in our team for a few years. Did plenty, but not sure was a 'legend'.
Well he was an automatic pick in the test team ( where his numbers are still good, quite Stokes like in fact although he’s overrated ) but then again his competition for that All Rounder spot was Santner or Mitchell….both kinda uninspiring alternatives.
With who we have as cattle in the most important format of all it wouldn’t be fair on other teams if Paddles, Cainsy or Dan the Man played in this era.
Without actually checking, I'd suspect his numbers were much better in NZ than abroad. As for his place in the test team, he was very lucky to make the WTC finals team, IMHO Patel deserved it more; he can hold a bat and his bowling represents a point of difference from the seam attack, a genuine wicket taking spinner
As discussed at length on here there were 10 players absolutely locked in, whoever was 11th was gonna be a step down.
I’m not sure a guy with just a single 50 across ALL formats can “hold a bat” so that’s not much of an argument. Also is his spinning really that good or only good compared to what we’ve had before ? Two “Michelle’s” indicate he’s probably worth another go I guess.
Yeah a bit light in the batting. But Colin's average over the last year or so must be dire anyway. Patel took his fair share of the wickets in the two lead up tests, and got a score as well IRRC. I know the English comms love his game because it's well suited to their conditions. But mentally he just isn't there right now
I guess the question is if Jamieson is a true all rounder and if he bats seven then does Patel get in ? Blundell should walk into six with no trouble now that Watling has gone. If all that comes to pass then maybe CDGH ( respective batting and bowling figures getting worse ) drops out.
It always depends on the conditions. In NZ Patel doesn't get a look in. The subcontinent he's in, and I remember we took Sommerville too. It is the lot of the 11th slot I suppose. I just don't see CDG as the kind of guy who bails us out with the bat, and he's unlikely to get us a couple of wickets against good batting when the top line seamers have failed. Patel is there if we come to realise that conditions are not suited to our other bowlers, the surface is taking spin more than we think. And he is more attack minded than Mitch
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You're definition of legend is obviously a lot broader and more generous than mine.
His mullet was sensational, and gets legendary status
Seriously, though, he was a key cog in our team for a few years. Did plenty, but not sure was a 'legend'.
Well he was an automatic pick in the test team ( where his numbers are still good, quite Stokes like in fact although he’s overrated ) but then again his competition for that All Rounder spot was Santner or Mitchell….both kinda uninspiring alternatives.
With who we have as cattle in the most important format of all it wouldn’t be fair on other teams if Paddles, Cainsy or Dan the Man played in this era.
Without actually checking, I'd suspect his numbers were much better in NZ than abroad. As for his place in the test team, he was very lucky to make the WTC finals team, IMHO Patel deserved it more; he can hold a bat and his bowling represents a point of difference from the seam attack, a genuine wicket taking spinner
As discussed at length on here there were 10 players absolutely locked in, whoever was 11th was gonna be a step down.
I’m not sure a guy with just a single 50 across ALL formats can “hold a bat” so that’s not much of an argument. Also is his spinning really that good or only good compared to what we’ve had before ? Two “Michelle’s” indicate he’s probably worth another go I guess.
Yeah a bit light in the batting. But Colin's average over the last year or so must be dire anyway. Patel took his fair share of the wickets in the two lead up tests, and got a score as well IRRC. I know the English comms love his game because it's well suited to their conditions. But mentally he just isn't there right now
I guess the question is if Jamieson is a true all rounder and if he bats seven then does Patel get in ? Blundell should walk into six with no trouble now that Watling has gone. If all that comes to pass then maybe CDGH ( respective batting and bowling figures getting worse ) drops out.
It always depends on the conditions. In NZ Patel doesn't get a look in. The subcontinent he's in, and I remember we took Sommerville too. It is the lot of the 11th slot I suppose. I just don't see CDG as the kind of guy who bails us out with the bat, and he's unlikely to get us a couple of wickets against good batting when the top line seamers have failed. Patel is there if we come to realise that conditions are not suited to our other bowlers, the surface is taking spin more than we think. And he is more attack minded than Mitch
@canefan said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@canefan said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@canefan said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@nzzp said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@dogmeat said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
You're definition of legend is obviously a lot broader and more generous than mine.
His mullet was sensational, and gets legendary status
Seriously, though, he was a key cog in our team for a few years. Did plenty, but not sure was a 'legend'.
Well he was an automatic pick in the test team ( where his numbers are still good, quite Stokes like in fact although he’s overrated ) but then again his competition for that All Rounder spot was Santner or Mitchell….both kinda uninspiring alternatives.
With who we have as cattle in the most important format of all it wouldn’t be fair on other teams if Paddles, Cainsy or Dan the Man played in this era.
Without actually checking, I'd suspect his numbers were much better in NZ than abroad. As for his place in the test team, he was very lucky to make the WTC finals team, IMHO Patel deserved it more; he can hold a bat and his bowling represents a point of difference from the seam attack, a genuine wicket taking spinner
As discussed at length on here there were 10 players absolutely locked in, whoever was 11th was gonna be a step down.
I’m not sure a guy with just a single 50 across ALL formats can “hold a bat” so that’s not much of an argument. Also is his spinning really that good or only good compared to what we’ve had before ? Two “Michelle’s” indicate he’s probably worth another go I guess.
Yeah a bit light in the batting. But Colin's average over the last year or so must be dire anyway. Patel took his fair share of the wickets in the two lead up tests, and got a score as well IRRC. I know the English comms love his game because it's well suited to their conditions. But mentally he just isn't there right now
I guess the question is if Jamieson is a true all rounder and if he bats seven then does Patel get in ? Blundell should walk into six with no trouble now that Watling has gone. If all that comes to pass then maybe CDGH ( respective batting and bowling figures getting worse ) drops out.
It always depends on the conditions. In NZ Patel doesn't get a look in. The subcontinent he's in, and I remember we took Sommerville too. It is the lot of the 11th slot I suppose
For sure. Our four pace men are carved in stone and even Henry has proved he’s not completely terrible if one of them breaks.
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@canefan said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@canefan said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@nzzp said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@dogmeat said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
You're definition of legend is obviously a lot broader and more generous than mine.
His mullet was sensational, and gets legendary status
Seriously, though, he was a key cog in our team for a few years. Did plenty, but not sure was a 'legend'.
Well he was an automatic pick in the test team ( where his numbers are still good, quite Stokes like in fact although he’s overrated ) but then again his competition for that All Rounder spot was Santner or Mitchell….both kinda uninspiring alternatives.
With who we have as cattle in the most important format of all it wouldn’t be fair on other teams if Paddles, Cainsy or Dan the Man played in this era.
Without actually checking, I'd suspect his numbers were much better in NZ than abroad. As for his place in the test team, he was very lucky to make the WTC finals team, IMHO Patel deserved it more; he can hold a bat and his bowling represents a point of difference from the seam attack, a genuine wicket taking spinner
As discussed at length on here there were 10 players absolutely locked in, whoever was 11th was gonna be a step down.
I’m not sure a guy with just a single 50 across ALL formats can “hold a bat” so that’s not much of an argument. Also is his spinning really that good or only good compared to what we’ve had before ? Two “Michelle’s” indicate he’s probably worth another go I guess.
Yeah a bit light in the batting. But Colin's average over the last year or so must be dire anyway. Patel took his fair share of the wickets in the two lead up tests, and got a score as well IRRC. I know the English comms love his game because it's well suited to their conditions. But mentally he just isn't there right now
I guess the question is if Jamieson is a true all rounder and if he bats seven then does Patel get in ? Blundell should walk into six with no trouble now that Watling has gone. If all that comes to pass then maybe CDGH ( respective batting and bowling figures getting worse ) drops out. 7 Jamieson 8 Southee 9 Wagner 10 Patel 11 Boult.
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@canefan said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@canefan said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@nzzp said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@dogmeat said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
You're definition of legend is obviously a lot broader and more generous than mine.
His mullet was sensational, and gets legendary status
Seriously, though, he was a key cog in our team for a few years. Did plenty, but not sure was a 'legend'.
Well he was an automatic pick in the test team ( where his numbers are still good, quite Stokes like in fact although he’s overrated ) but then again his competition for that All Rounder spot was Santner or Mitchell….both kinda uninspiring alternatives.
With who we have as cattle in the most important format of all it wouldn’t be fair on other teams if Paddles, Cainsy or Dan the Man played in this era.
Without actually checking, I'd suspect his numbers were much better in NZ than abroad. As for his place in the test team, he was very lucky to make the WTC finals team, IMHO Patel deserved it more; he can hold a bat and his bowling represents a point of difference from the seam attack, a genuine wicket taking spinner
As discussed at length on here there were 10 players absolutely locked in, whoever was 11th was gonna be a step down.
I’m not sure a guy with just a single 50 across ALL formats can “hold a bat” so that’s not much of an argument. Also is his spinning really that good or only good compared to what we’ve had before ? Two “Michelle’s” indicate he’s probably worth another go I guess.
Yeah a bit light in the batting. But Colin's average over the last year or so must be dire anyway. Patel took his fair share of the wickets in the two lead up tests, and got a score as well IRRC. I know the English comms love his game because it's well suited to their conditions. But mentally he just isn't there right now
I guess the question is if Jamieson is a true all rounder and if he bats seven then does Patel get in ? Blundell should walk into six with no trouble now that Watling has gone. If all that comes to pass then maybe CDGH ( respective batting and bowling figures getting worse ) drops out. 7 Jamieson 8 Southee 9 Wagner 10 Patel 11 Boult.
This would be absolutely gold if it does happen. Does that mean we sometimes pick 5 pace bowlers? Or does it just make us pick santner more for holding down an end and 'batting' on roads?
If Jamieson becomes a legit option at 7, we should then be able to come into every match with a strong spin option, which based on recent form is Patel as you say.
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@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@canefan said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@canefan said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@nzzp said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@dogmeat said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
You're definition of legend is obviously a lot broader and more generous than mine.
His mullet was sensational, and gets legendary status
Seriously, though, he was a key cog in our team for a few years. Did plenty, but not sure was a 'legend'.
Well he was an automatic pick in the test team ( where his numbers are still good, quite Stokes like in fact although he’s overrated ) but then again his competition for that All Rounder spot was Santner or Mitchell….both kinda uninspiring alternatives.
With who we have as cattle in the most important format of all it wouldn’t be fair on other teams if Paddles, Cainsy or Dan the Man played in this era.
Without actually checking, I'd suspect his numbers were much better in NZ than abroad. As for his place in the test team, he was very lucky to make the WTC finals team, IMHO Patel deserved it more; he can hold a bat and his bowling represents a point of difference from the seam attack, a genuine wicket taking spinner
As discussed at length on here there were 10 players absolutely locked in, whoever was 11th was gonna be a step down.
I’m not sure a guy with just a single 50 across ALL formats can “hold a bat” so that’s not much of an argument. Also is his spinning really that good or only good compared to what we’ve had before ? Two “Michelle’s” indicate he’s probably worth another go I guess.
Yeah a bit light in the batting. But Colin's average over the last year or so must be dire anyway. Patel took his fair share of the wickets in the two lead up tests, and got a score as well IRRC. I know the English comms love his game because it's well suited to their conditions. But mentally he just isn't there right now
I guess the question is if Jamieson is a true all rounder and if he bats seven then does Patel get in ? Blundell should walk into six with no trouble now that Watling has gone. If all that comes to pass then maybe CDGH ( respective batting and bowling figures getting worse ) drops out. 7 Jamieson 8 Southee 9 Wagner 10 Patel 11 Boult.
This would be absolutely gold if it does happen. Does that mean we sometimes pick 5 pace bowlers? Or does it just make us pick santner more for holding down an end and 'batting' on roads?
If Jamieson becomes a legit option at 7, we should then be able to come into every match with a strong spin option, which based on recent form is Patel as you say.
@delicatessen said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@canefan said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@canefan said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@nzzp said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@dogmeat said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
You're definition of legend is obviously a lot broader and more generous than mine.
His mullet was sensational, and gets legendary status
Seriously, though, he was a key cog in our team for a few years. Did plenty, but not sure was a 'legend'.
Well he was an automatic pick in the test team ( where his numbers are still good, quite Stokes like in fact although he’s overrated ) but then again his competition for that All Rounder spot was Santner or Mitchell….both kinda uninspiring alternatives.
With who we have as cattle in the most important format of all it wouldn’t be fair on other teams if Paddles, Cainsy or Dan the Man played in this era.
Without actually checking, I'd suspect his numbers were much better in NZ than abroad. As for his place in the test team, he was very lucky to make the WTC finals team, IMHO Patel deserved it more; he can hold a bat and his bowling represents a point of difference from the seam attack, a genuine wicket taking spinner
As discussed at length on here there were 10 players absolutely locked in, whoever was 11th was gonna be a step down.
I’m not sure a guy with just a single 50 across ALL formats can “hold a bat” so that’s not much of an argument. Also is his spinning really that good or only good compared to what we’ve had before ? Two “Michelle’s” indicate he’s probably worth another go I guess.
Yeah a bit light in the batting. But Colin's average over the last year or so must be dire anyway. Patel took his fair share of the wickets in the two lead up tests, and got a score as well IRRC. I know the English comms love his game because it's well suited to their conditions. But mentally he just isn't there right now
I guess the question is if Jamieson is a true all rounder and if he bats seven then does Patel get in ? Blundell should walk into six with no trouble now that Watling has gone. If all that comes to pass then maybe CDGH ( respective batting and bowling figures getting worse ) drops out. 7 Jamieson 8 Southee 9 Wagner 10 Patel 11 Boult.
This would be absolutely gold if it does happen. Does that mean we sometimes pick 5 pace bowlers? Or does it just make us pick santner more for holding down an end and 'batting' on roads?
If Jamieson becomes a legit option at 7, we should then be able to come into every match with a strong spin option, which based on recent form is Patel as you say.
It’s up in the air and yeah, it could make him THE most valuable guy in the team, even more than KW. At the moment the jury is out on his batting, despite the promise so far.
….and if it does happen then Santner becomes even more redundant.
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@delicatessen said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@canefan said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@canefan said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@nzzp said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@dogmeat said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
You're definition of legend is obviously a lot broader and more generous than mine.
His mullet was sensational, and gets legendary status
Seriously, though, he was a key cog in our team for a few years. Did plenty, but not sure was a 'legend'.
Well he was an automatic pick in the test team ( where his numbers are still good, quite Stokes like in fact although he’s overrated ) but then again his competition for that All Rounder spot was Santner or Mitchell….both kinda uninspiring alternatives.
With who we have as cattle in the most important format of all it wouldn’t be fair on other teams if Paddles, Cainsy or Dan the Man played in this era.
Without actually checking, I'd suspect his numbers were much better in NZ than abroad. As for his place in the test team, he was very lucky to make the WTC finals team, IMHO Patel deserved it more; he can hold a bat and his bowling represents a point of difference from the seam attack, a genuine wicket taking spinner
As discussed at length on here there were 10 players absolutely locked in, whoever was 11th was gonna be a step down.
I’m not sure a guy with just a single 50 across ALL formats can “hold a bat” so that’s not much of an argument. Also is his spinning really that good or only good compared to what we’ve had before ? Two “Michelle’s” indicate he’s probably worth another go I guess.
Yeah a bit light in the batting. But Colin's average over the last year or so must be dire anyway. Patel took his fair share of the wickets in the two lead up tests, and got a score as well IRRC. I know the English comms love his game because it's well suited to their conditions. But mentally he just isn't there right now
I guess the question is if Jamieson is a true all rounder and if he bats seven then does Patel get in ? Blundell should walk into six with no trouble now that Watling has gone. If all that comes to pass then maybe CDGH ( respective batting and bowling figures getting worse ) drops out. 7 Jamieson 8 Southee 9 Wagner 10 Patel 11 Boult.
This would be absolutely gold if it does happen. Does that mean we sometimes pick 5 pace bowlers? Or does it just make us pick santner more for holding down an end and 'batting' on roads?
If Jamieson becomes a legit option at 7, we should then be able to come into every match with a strong spin option, which based on recent form is Patel as you say.
It’s up in the air and yeah, it could make him THE most valuable guy in the team, even more than KW. At the moment the jury is out on his batting, despite the promise so far.
….and if it does happen then Santner becomes even more redundant.
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@delicatessen said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@canefan said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@canefan said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@nzzp said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@dogmeat said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
You're definition of legend is obviously a lot broader and more generous than mine.
His mullet was sensational, and gets legendary status
Seriously, though, he was a key cog in our team for a few years. Did plenty, but not sure was a 'legend'.
Well he was an automatic pick in the test team ( where his numbers are still good, quite Stokes like in fact although he’s overrated ) but then again his competition for that All Rounder spot was Santner or Mitchell….both kinda uninspiring alternatives.
With who we have as cattle in the most important format of all it wouldn’t be fair on other teams if Paddles, Cainsy or Dan the Man played in this era.
Without actually checking, I'd suspect his numbers were much better in NZ than abroad. As for his place in the test team, he was very lucky to make the WTC finals team, IMHO Patel deserved it more; he can hold a bat and his bowling represents a point of difference from the seam attack, a genuine wicket taking spinner
As discussed at length on here there were 10 players absolutely locked in, whoever was 11th was gonna be a step down.
I’m not sure a guy with just a single 50 across ALL formats can “hold a bat” so that’s not much of an argument. Also is his spinning really that good or only good compared to what we’ve had before ? Two “Michelle’s” indicate he’s probably worth another go I guess.
Yeah a bit light in the batting. But Colin's average over the last year or so must be dire anyway. Patel took his fair share of the wickets in the two lead up tests, and got a score as well IRRC. I know the English comms love his game because it's well suited to their conditions. But mentally he just isn't there right now
I guess the question is if Jamieson is a true all rounder and if he bats seven then does Patel get in ? Blundell should walk into six with no trouble now that Watling has gone. If all that comes to pass then maybe CDGH ( respective batting and bowling figures getting worse ) drops out. 7 Jamieson 8 Southee 9 Wagner 10 Patel 11 Boult.
This would be absolutely gold if it does happen. Does that mean we sometimes pick 5 pace bowlers? Or does it just make us pick santner more for holding down an end and 'batting' on roads?
If Jamieson becomes a legit option at 7, we should then be able to come into every match with a strong spin option, which based on recent form is Patel as you say.
It’s up in the air and yeah, it could make him THE most valuable guy in the team, even more than KW.
….and if it does happen then Santner becomes even more redundant.
He already is. BCCI rule cricket and they said so.
