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All Blacks vs Pumas I

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  • ACT CrusaderA ACT Crusader

    This is the worst I’ve seen an Argie attack for some years. It’s guys standing around, no flow, the halfback trying to ignite something and there’s nothing there. And that was at the 15 minute mark. Didn’t improve as the half went on as they were stuffed from all the tackling.

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    @act-crusader said in All Blacks vs Pumas I (yay we’re not playing the Aussies again):

    This is the worst I’ve seen an Argie attack for some years. It’s guys standing around, no flow, the halfback trying to ignite something and there’s nothing there. And that was at the 15 minute mark. Didn’t improve as the half went on as they were stuffed from all the tackling.

    The Northern Hemisphere style can get quite static. Wonder if Boks will have same issue? They will be better at dominating contact and breakdown though.

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    • nostrildamusN nostrildamus

      so if the loosies were better last week is that because of the opposition or missing Ardie at 8? Jacobson sounds like he is playing ok...

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      @nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Pumas I (yay we’re not playing the Aussies again):

      so if the loosies were better last week is that because of the opposition or missing Ardie at 8? Jacobson sounds like he is playing ok...

      Didn't even notice paps till he scored that try

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      • Victor MeldrewV Victor Meldrew

        Best bit of the AB performance in the first half for me has been the leadership from the senior players.

        Plenty of discussion and action when things haven't been going well and changes made.

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        @victor-meldrew said in All Blacks vs Pumas I (yay we’re not playing the Aussies again):

        Plenty of discussion and action when things haven't been going well and changes made

        Possibly due to BBBR with captain training wheels on...but otherwise he is playing well

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          @nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Pumas I (yay we’re not playing the Aussies again):

          so if the loosies were better last week is that because of the opposition or missing Ardie at 8? Jacobson sounds like he is playing ok...

          Didn't even notice paps till he scored that try

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          @delicatessen he won the turnover penalty which was the reason the ABs had that lineout in the first place.

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          • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

            Aumua for a first test start is very impressive.

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            @kiwimurph said in All Blacks vs Pumas I (yay we’re not playing the Aussies again):

            Aumua for a first test start is very impressive.

            Not so keen on 2 lineout throws in their 22 being easily picked off...

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            • A African Monkey

              @machpants Not too concerned tbh. We were a bit slow at times arriving to breakdowns and the odd silly penalty was given away which happens but other than that, we were fantastic.

              For all the criticism our coaches get and yes, we're not the finished artice yet, they're doing more right than wrong so far.

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              @african-monkey said in All Blacks vs Pumas I (yay we’re not playing the Aussies again):

              @machpants Not too concerned tbh. We were a bit slow at times arriving to breakdowns and the odd silly penalty was given away which happens but other than that, we were fantastic.

              For all the criticism our coaches get and yes, we're not the finished artice yet, they're doing more right than wrong so far.

              Totally.

              However if we took the opportunities as well as we did Vs Oz, it would be closer to 40 nil. Just some average skills and decisions during the half.

              Argentina offer nothing beyond defence, a bit sad

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                @nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Pumas I (yay we’re not playing the Aussies again):

                so if the loosies were better last week is that because of the opposition or missing Ardie at 8? Jacobson sounds like he is playing ok...

                Didn't even notice paps till he scored that try

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                @delicatessen He won the penalty to get us downfield to score that last try, and imo, has been fantastic on D, in tandem with Ioane, Jacobsen and Retallick.

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                • nzzpN nzzp

                  Karl with headgear moves and looks just like Andrew Hore for some reason

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                  @nzzp said in All Blacks vs Pumas I (yay we’re not playing the Aussies again):

                  Karl with headgear moves and looks just like Andrew Hore for some reason

                  With a pig in his back?

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                  • BonesB Bones

                    @kiwimurph said in All Blacks vs Pumas I (yay we’re not playing the Aussies again):

                    Aumua for a first test start is very impressive.

                    Not so keen on 2 lineout throws in their 22 being easily picked off...

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                    Canes4life
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                    @bones pretty sure those were his only off throws. A work on yes but he’s been superb everywhere else.

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                      @african-monkey said in All Blacks vs Pumas I (yay we’re not playing the Aussies again):

                      Great performance so far.

                      Some really average headless chook stuff during the half tho

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                      @machpants said in All Blacks vs Pumas I (yay we’re not playing the Aussies again):

                      @african-monkey said in All Blacks vs Pumas I (yay we’re not playing the Aussies again):

                      Great performance so far.

                      Some really average headless chook stuff during the half tho

                      From who? Sure a couple of dumb penalties but that happens all the time.

                      I reckon we’ve played pretty safe. We’ve made some good little runs off to get over the gain line but we have hardly thrown an offload or 50/50 ball.

                      A few times we weren’t on the same page but that’s more lack of experience and combinations.

                      I think we’ve done okay.

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                        @nzzp said in All Blacks vs Pumas I (yay we’re not playing the Aussies again):

                        Karl with headgear moves and looks just like Andrew Hore for some reason

                        With a pig in his back?

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                        @pakman said in All Blacks vs Pumas I (yay we’re not playing the Aussies again):

                        @nzzp said in All Blacks vs Pumas I (yay we’re not playing the Aussies again):

                        Karl with headgear moves and looks just like Andrew Hore for some reason

                        With a pig in his back?

                        They're pumas not seals

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                          @african-monkey said in All Blacks vs Pumas I (yay we’re not playing the Aussies again):

                          @machpants Not too concerned tbh. We were a bit slow at times arriving to breakdowns and the odd silly penalty was given away which happens but other than that, we were fantastic.

                          For all the criticism our coaches get and yes, we're not the finished artice yet, they're doing more right than wrong so far.

                          Totally.

                          However if we took the opportunities as well as we did Vs Oz, it would be closer to 40 nil. Just some average skills and decisions during the half.

                          Argentina offer nothing beyond defence, a bit sad

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                          @machpants and that's why we aren't up 40 nil, thiwr defence,but that last quarter could be ugly

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                            No Quarter
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                            Good half overall. A few errors when we tried to open them up but when that didn't work we've reverted to grinding them down by dominating possession and making them tackle all day.

                            Argie have not brought much at all.

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                              Plummer deserves some credit for the way the forwards are going. I thought oneof the problems between 2017-2019 was having no real forwards coach. Stu Cron was a scrum guru but .....

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                                @kirwan said in All Blacks vs Pumas I (yay we’re not playing the Aussies again):

                                Early change of kicker

                                Brotherly challenge. "you miss, I take over"

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                                @nta said in All Blacks vs Pumas I (yay we’re not playing the Aussies again):

                                @kirwan said in All Blacks vs Pumas I (yay we’re not playing the Aussies again):

                                Early change of kicker

                                Brotherly challenge. "you miss, I take over"

                                Hope so. Might see Scott take over after the 8th try

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                                • ACT CrusaderA ACT Crusader

                                  @machpants said in All Blacks vs Pumas I (yay we’re not playing the Aussies again):

                                  @african-monkey said in All Blacks vs Pumas I (yay we’re not playing the Aussies again):

                                  Great performance so far.

                                  Some really average headless chook stuff during the half tho

                                  From who? Sure a couple of dumb penalties but that happens all the time.

                                  I reckon we’ve played pretty safe. We’ve made some good little runs off to get over the gain line but we have hardly thrown an offload or 50/50 ball.

                                  A few times we weren’t on the same page but that’s more lack of experience and combinations.

                                  I think we’ve done okay.

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                                  @act-crusader said in All Blacks vs Pumas I (yay we’re not playing the Aussies again):

                                  @machpants said in All Blacks vs Pumas I (yay we’re not playing the Aussies again):

                                  @african-monkey said in All Blacks vs Pumas I (yay we’re not playing the Aussies again):

                                  Great performance so far.

                                  Some really average headless chook stuff during the half tho

                                  From who? Sure a couple of dumb penalties but that happens all the time.

                                  I reckon we’ve played pretty safe. We’ve made some good little runs off to get over the gain line but we have hardly thrown an offload or 50/50 ball.

                                  A few times we weren’t on the same page but that’s more lack of experience and combinations.

                                  I think we’ve done okay.

                                  Maybe headless chook wrong phrase. Just seem to lack incisive decision sometimes on attack, shoveling it on. Running sideways and backwards. Add to that some real howlers in line out and real pointless penalties.

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                                  • Canes4lifeC Canes4life

                                    @bones pretty sure those were his only off throws. A work on yes but he’s been superb everywhere else.

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                                    @canes4life said in All Blacks vs Pumas I (yay we’re not playing the Aussies again):

                                    @bones pretty sure those were his only off throws. A work on yes but he’s been superb everywhere else.

                                    No, there have been others. One dropped before Akira, he needs to improve his throwing. Looks great in the field.

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                                      Plummer deserves some credit for the way the forwards are going. I thought oneof the problems between 2017-2019 was having no real forwards coach. Stu Cron was a scrum guru but .....

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                                      @old-samurai-jack Yep forwards this year bar test vs Fiji have been very good. BBBR getting back to form helps and this loose forward mix also.

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                                        Pretty typical of a Pumas v ABS game so far.

                                        Pumas defend manfully but eventually they can't hold on. We've seen this many times before. I have a feeling we run over them in second half.

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                                        • KirwanK Kirwan

                                          @canes4life said in All Blacks vs Pumas I (yay we’re not playing the Aussies again):

                                          @bones pretty sure those were his only off throws. A work on yes but he’s been superb everywhere else.

                                          No, there have been others. One dropped before Akira, he needs to improve his throwing. Looks great in the field.

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                                          @kirwan of course he does. None of our hookers have been good this year. I think it’s a work on for all hookers in NZ to be honest.

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