All Blacks vs Pumas II
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@booboo said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@act-crusader yikes
I suggest ALB is probably our first choice 12, and Goodhue our first choice 13 ... But not sure those who count see it that way
I always reckon ALB is a better 13 than Goodhue, and Havili is now best 12 we got. I actually tjink Tupaea will put a bit of pressure on as a 12 too.
@dan54 said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@booboo said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@act-crusader yikes
I suggest ALB is probably our first choice 12, and Goodhue our first choice 13 ... But not sure those who count see it that way
I always reckon ALB is a better 13 than Goodhue, and Havili is now best 12 we got. I actually tjink Tupaea will put a bit of pressure on as a 12 too.
Yeah I’ve always liked ALB at 13 and reckon he’s played his best test footy there.
It was a pretty good combo (when one of them wasn’t crook) 12-Crotty 13-ALB
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@act-crusader sum of the parts will be the key though. Still very much a team game.
@crucial said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@act-crusader sum of the parts will be the key though. Still very much a team game.
Yeah still some very good pieces there.
I like the front row. A little worried about the locking pair, but Tui has experience so that’s something.
Back row have 2 work horses and a damaging ball runner.
9 and 10 - hold ya breath kids
The midfield could be explosive but worry about defence and communication coming together.
Back 3 - George to score a double
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@daffy-jaffy said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
Richard Knowler's question sums up nz rugby journalism.
Richard Knowler "Just one specialist lock on the bench in Scott Barrett, does that mean Luke Jacobson is covering the engine room?"
Fozzie: "......."
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Although I don't like any of options, with 2 years to a RWC I don't think we should be shuffling players around now the AB's are starting to show a more coherent structure based on specialization (and competition per place). 6-7-8 and 12-13 starting to look much better.
Havilli is a class act, but he's still bedding down at 12 - yet still offers way more potential than anyone we've seen there since Nonu. If Havilli and ALB play, leave them at 12 and 13.
I'd treat it like RWC 2007, down to #3 or #4 first five. Who would play at 10 in 2023 if RM and BB are both injured? Risk a loss as a team learning experience now. If DMac, play DMac at 10, if Jordie play Jordie at 10, DMac at 15.
AND if DMac at 10, tell the b_gger (when he runs) to run straight and direct until the AB's are 20 ahead. At least that way the team knows what the f*ck he's doing. If he can't do that at 10 now, imho drop him because ... he's never learning ... and there are certainly 2 better options at 15 by the RWC.
@l_n_p have you guys ever watched NRL? Their playmakers (who are far better than Union playmakers imo) just about run sideways more than they run forward… if you’re fast enough and agile enough then running across field occasionally can cause a defence to bite out of the line, leaving holes. If the space is there in front of him, he takes it by running straight. If it’s not there then he tries to create something but changing running lines.
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@crucial said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@act-crusader sum of the parts will be the key though. Still very much a team game.
Yeah still some very good pieces there.
I like the front row. A little worried about the locking pair, but Tui has experience so that’s something.
Back row have 2 work horses and a damaging ball runner.
9 and 10 - hold ya breath kids
The midfield could be explosive but worry about defence and communication coming together.
Back 3 - George to score a double
@act-crusader you and your optimism.
I saw the team and thought yuck. Felt a bit sorry for the likes of Jordan and Jordie who are fighting for a spot and have to do it outside a mish-mash team.
I expect us to win and will be livid if we lose. But if this team clicks and looks gooood, well that's fucken fantastic and I will only be left with about half a leg dangling off the Fozzy bandwagon. Ok maybe a whole leg.
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@l_n_p have you guys ever watched NRL? Their playmakers (who are far better than Union playmakers imo) just about run sideways more than they run forward… if you’re fast enough and agile enough then running across field occasionally can cause a defence to bite out of the line, leaving holes. If the space is there in front of him, he takes it by running straight. If it’s not there then he tries to create something but changing running lines.
@yeahtheboys said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
who are far better than Union playmakers imo
Can't say I see a lot of union playmakers in league. Is DC on a jolly?
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@yeahtheboys said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
who are far better than Union playmakers imo
Can't say I see a lot of union playmakers in league. Is DC on a jolly?
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@bones huh
@yeahtheboys said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@bones huh
How can they possibly be better than union playmakers? They don't play union - and vice versa.
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@kiwimurph said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@daffy-jaffy said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
Richard Knowler's question sums up nz rugby journalism.
Richard Knowler "Just one specialist lock on the bench in Scott Barrett, does that mean Luke Jacobson is covering the engine room?"
Fozzie: "......."
Fuck me
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@l_n_p have you guys ever watched NRL? Their playmakers (who are far better than Union playmakers imo) just about run sideways more than they run forward… if you’re fast enough and agile enough then running across field occasionally can cause a defence to bite out of the line, leaving holes. If the space is there in front of him, he takes it by running straight. If it’s not there then he tries to create something but changing running lines.
@yeahtheboys said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@l_n_p have you guys ever watched NRL? Their playmakers (who are far better than Union playmakers imo) just about run sideways more than they run forward… if you’re fast enough and agile enough then running across field occasionally can cause a defence to bite out of the line, leaving holes. If the space is there in front of him, he takes it by running straight. If it’s not there then he tries to create something but changing running lines.
When they are playing loigue
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@yeahtheboys said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@l_n_p have you guys ever watched NRL? Their playmakers (who are far better than Union playmakers imo) just about run sideways more than they run forward… if you’re fast enough and agile enough then running across field occasionally can cause a defence to bite out of the line, leaving holes. If the space is there in front of him, he takes it by running straight. If it’s not there then he tries to create something but changing running lines.
When they are playing loigue
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@chris-b Rieko drop in form? Injured. Akira drop in form? Injured. Tuipulotu drop in form? Injured.
I'm sure there's a pattern but I just can't see it.
@bones said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@chris-b Rieko drop in form? Injured. Akira drop in form? Injured. Tuipulotu drop in form? Injured.
I'm sure there's a pattern but I just can't see it.
It’s a sign of a bad argument when you have to make things up.
Have discussed RI and CC injuries as an explanation of a drop off in form, when that factor wasn’t being considered when the copped criticism. Foster even brought up the RI calf injury last week.
Never said that about Akira, not once.
Patrick? Man you are reaching now.
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@bones said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@chris-b Rieko drop in form? Injured. Akira drop in form? Injured. Tuipulotu drop in form? Injured.
I'm sure there's a pattern but I just can't see it.
It’s a sign of a bad argument when you have to make things up.
Have discussed RI and CC injuries as an explanation of a drop off in form, when that factor wasn’t being considered when the copped criticism. Foster even brought up the RI calf injury last week.
Never said that about Akira, not once.
Patrick? Man you are reaching now.
@kirwan said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@bones said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@chris-b Rieko drop in form? Injured. Akira drop in form? Injured. Tuipulotu drop in form? Injured.
I'm sure there's a pattern but I just can't see it.
It’s a sign of a bad argument when you have to make things up.
Have discussed RI and CC injuries as an explanation of a drop off in form, when that factor wasn’t being considered when the copped criticism. Foster even brought up the RI calf injury last week.
Never said that about Akira, not once.
Patrick? Man you are reaching now.
I'm all about a bad argument. I'm not so keen on selecting players who are playing poop. Until they're not playing poop that is.
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@kirwan said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@bones said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@chris-b Rieko drop in form? Injured. Akira drop in form? Injured. Tuipulotu drop in form? Injured.
I'm sure there's a pattern but I just can't see it.
It’s a sign of a bad argument when you have to make things up.
Have discussed RI and CC injuries as an explanation of a drop off in form, when that factor wasn’t being considered when the copped criticism. Foster even brought up the RI calf injury last week.
Never said that about Akira, not once.
Patrick? Man you are reaching now.
I'm all about a bad argument. I'm not so keen on selecting players who are playing poop. Until they're not playing poop that is.
@bones said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@kirwan said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@bones said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@chris-b Rieko drop in form? Injured. Akira drop in form? Injured. Tuipulotu drop in form? Injured.
I'm sure there's a pattern but I just can't see it.
It’s a sign of a bad argument when you have to make things up.
Have discussed RI and CC injuries as an explanation of a drop off in form, when that factor wasn’t being considered when the copped criticism. Foster even brought up the RI calf injury last week.
Never said that about Akira, not once.
Patrick? Man you are reaching now.
I'm all about a bad argument. I'm not so keen on selecting players who are playing poop. Until they're not playing poop that is.
ABs commonly select players coming back from injuries, or keep them in the squad. Ofa, Patrick, Moody are just a few recent examples.
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@bones said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@kirwan said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@bones said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@chris-b Rieko drop in form? Injured. Akira drop in form? Injured. Tuipulotu drop in form? Injured.
I'm sure there's a pattern but I just can't see it.
It’s a sign of a bad argument when you have to make things up.
Have discussed RI and CC injuries as an explanation of a drop off in form, when that factor wasn’t being considered when the copped criticism. Foster even brought up the RI calf injury last week.
Never said that about Akira, not once.
Patrick? Man you are reaching now.
I'm all about a bad argument. I'm not so keen on selecting players who are playing poop. Until they're not playing poop that is.
ABs commonly select players coming back from injuries, or keep them in the squad. Ofa, Patrick, Moody are just a few recent examples.
@kirwan said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@bones said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@kirwan said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@bones said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@chris-b Rieko drop in form? Injured. Akira drop in form? Injured. Tuipulotu drop in form? Injured.
I'm sure there's a pattern but I just can't see it.
It’s a sign of a bad argument when you have to make things up.
Have discussed RI and CC injuries as an explanation of a drop off in form, when that factor wasn’t being considered when the copped criticism. Foster even brought up the RI calf injury last week.
Never said that about Akira, not once.
Patrick? Man you are reaching now.
I'm all about a bad argument. I'm not so keen on selecting players who are playing poop. Until they're not playing poop that is.
ABs commonly select players coming back from injuries, or keep them in the squad. Ofa, Patrick, Moody are just a few recent examples.
Unless they've been overtaken by other players.
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@nepia Sotutu is a curious case. IMO he was the or in top 3 Number 8's in Super Rugby but then got surpassed by Jacobson. Now Blackadder has leapt frogged him in the squad due to his versatility.
@themojoman said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@nepia Sotutu is a curious case. IMO he was the or in top 3 Number 8's in Super Rugby but then got surpassed by Jacobson. Now Blackadder has leapt frogged him in the squad due to his versatility.
Blackadder has leapfrogged him because he’s playing better.
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@bones said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@yeahtheboys said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@bones huh
How can they possibly be better than union playmakers? They don't play union - and vice versa.
Kinda #booboo'ed meself.
Reminds me of something back in the day when TSF 'legend' Red Beard bigged up a column by loigue 'legend' Graham Lowe, whose point was basically the All Blacks props didn't do as many many hit ups as loigue props, therefore they was not as good 'footballers' as the loiguies.
I do recall asking how many greens they hit in regulation, or what their free throw percentage was.
They are different games.
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@act-crusader you and your optimism.
I saw the team and thought yuck. Felt a bit sorry for the likes of Jordan and Jordie who are fighting for a spot and have to do it outside a mish-mash team.
I expect us to win and will be livid if we lose. But if this team clicks and looks gooood, well that's fucken fantastic and I will only be left with about half a leg dangling off the Fozzy bandwagon. Ok maybe a whole leg.
@bones said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@act-crusader you and your optimism.
I saw the team and thought yuck. Felt a bit sorry for the likes of Jordan and Jordie who are fighting for a spot and have to do it outside a mish-mash team.
I expect us to win and will be livid if we lose. But if this team clicks and looks gooood, well that's fucken fantastic and I will only be left with about half a leg dangling off the Fozzy bandwagon. Ok maybe a whole leg.
Given this “short sharp 7 day lockdown” in Melbourne has now been going for 6 weeks, the ABs bring some optimism!
Mark Ranby, Stephen Bates, Caleb Ralph, David Hill and Ben Atiga could be running out for the ABs this weekend and I’d find a positive
