All Blacks vs Pumas II
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2 Samisoni Taukei’aho (5) - 1st start
3 Tyrel Lomax (9) - 2nd start
5 Tupou Vaa’i (6) - 2nd start
6 Ethan Blackadder (4) - 2nd start
8 Hoskins Sotutu (6) - 3rd start
10 Damian McKenzie (34) - 2nd start at 1st 5
12 Quinn Tupaea (2) - 2nd start
14 Will Jordan (7) - 5th start
@act-crusader said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
10 Damian McKenzie (34) - 2nd start at 1st 5
Wow. I always thought DMac had 3-4 starts there.
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@l_n_p have you guys ever watched NRL? Their playmakers (who are far better than Union playmakers imo) just about run sideways more than they run forward… if you’re fast enough and agile enough then running across field occasionally can cause a defence to bite out of the line, leaving holes. If the space is there in front of him, he takes it by running straight. If it’s not there then he tries to create something but changing running lines.
@yeahtheboys Different game and less players might allow more of this.
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@dan54 said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@booboo said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@act-crusader yikes
I suggest ALB is probably our first choice 12, and Goodhue our first choice 13 ... But not sure those who count see it that way
I always reckon ALB is a better 13 than Goodhue, and Havili is now best 12 we got. I actually tjink Tupaea will put a bit of pressure on as a 12 too.
Tupaea had a long way to go, long long way. I don't rate him at all. Goodhue has gone backwards at a rate of knots, really it's havili, ALB, and Reiko.... Daylight
@machpants said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@dan54 said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@booboo said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@act-crusader yikes
I suggest ALB is probably our first choice 12, and Goodhue our first choice 13 ... But not sure those who count see it that way
I always reckon ALB is a better 13 than Goodhue, and Havili is now best 12 we got. I actually tjink Tupaea will put a bit of pressure on as a 12 too.
Tupaea had a long way to go, long long way. I don't rate him at all. Goodhue has gone backwards at a rate of knots, really it's havili, ALB, and Reiko.... Daylight
I not in anyway suggesting Tupaea is there yet, I have liked the way boy plays at 12 at super level, and I still think there will be pressure from him in a couple of years. I don't tend to think you see anything but the potential if first couple of years as these young un's get used to test rugby.
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At some point Reiko Ioane will take the Centre spot given his level of development and performances. Until then Havili/ALB are the top combo.
I like Tupaea’s potential, he seems to have very good penetration with ball in hand and strong on defence. Ennor has been taking up a spot without adding value TBH. Not sure why he’s still there. Bridge is another that’s finding hard to get back into form. He seems to be down on pace and has taken to try and run over opposition players.
@themojoman said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
At some point Reiko Ioane will take the Centre spot given his level of development and performances. Until then Havili/ALB are the top combo.
I like Tupaea’s potential, he seems to have very good penetration with ball in hand and strong on defence. Ennor has been taking up a spot without adding value TBH. Not sure why he’s still there. Bridge is another that’s finding hard to get back into form. He seems to be down on pace and has taken to try and run over opposition players.
I would have preferred PUJ there instead of Ennor.
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@act-crusader you and your optimism.
I saw the team and thought yuck. Felt a bit sorry for the likes of Jordan and Jordie who are fighting for a spot and have to do it outside a mish-mash team.
I expect us to win and will be livid if we lose. But if this team clicks and looks gooood, well that's fucken fantastic and I will only be left with about half a leg dangling off the Fozzy bandwagon. Ok maybe a whole leg.
@bones said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@act-crusader you and your optimism.
I saw the team and thought yuck. Felt a bit sorry for the likes of Jordan and Jordie who are fighting for a spot and have to do it outside a mish-mash team.
I expect us to win and will be livid if we lose. But if this team clicks and looks gooood, well that's fucken fantastic and I will only be left with about half a leg dangling off the Fozzy bandwagon. Ok maybe a whole leg.
You think he's still fighting for a spot? I reckon he's an absolute lock to start when fit right now.
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@bones said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@act-crusader you and your optimism.
I saw the team and thought yuck. Felt a bit sorry for the likes of Jordan and Jordie who are fighting for a spot and have to do it outside a mish-mash team.
I expect us to win and will be livid if we lose. But if this team clicks and looks gooood, well that's fucken fantastic and I will only be left with about half a leg dangling off the Fozzy bandwagon. Ok maybe a whole leg.
You think he's still fighting for a spot? I reckon he's an absolute lock to start when fit right now.
@voodoo said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@bones said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@act-crusader you and your optimism.
I saw the team and thought yuck. Felt a bit sorry for the likes of Jordan and Jordie who are fighting for a spot and have to do it outside a mish-mash team.
I expect us to win and will be livid if we lose. But if this team clicks and looks gooood, well that's fucken fantastic and I will only be left with about half a leg dangling off the Fozzy bandwagon. Ok maybe a whole leg.
You think he's still fighting for a spot? I reckon he's an absolute lock to start when fit right now.
But Foster
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@act-crusader said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
10 Damian McKenzie (34) - 2nd start at 1st 5
Wow. I always thought DMac had 3-4 starts there.
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@act-crusader said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
10 Damian McKenzie (34) - 2nd start at 1st 5
Wow. I always thought DMac had 3-4 starts there.
He played well there against a French team with one foot on the plane already. He has some potential, but like Jordie he needs to calm down a bit and wait for opportunities to present themselves instead of always trying to create. Jordie has found that balance at 15 now, would be great if DMac can do something similar.
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@bones said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@act-crusader you and your optimism.
I saw the team and thought yuck. Felt a bit sorry for the likes of Jordan and Jordie who are fighting for a spot and have to do it outside a mish-mash team.
I expect us to win and will be livid if we lose. But if this team clicks and looks gooood, well that's fucken fantastic and I will only be left with about half a leg dangling off the Fozzy bandwagon. Ok maybe a whole leg.
You think he's still fighting for a spot? I reckon he's an absolute lock to start when fit right now.
@voodoo said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@bones said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@act-crusader you and your optimism.
I saw the team and thought yuck. Felt a bit sorry for the likes of Jordan and Jordie who are fighting for a spot and have to do it outside a mish-mash team.
I expect us to win and will be livid if we lose. But if this team clicks and looks gooood, well that's fucken fantastic and I will only be left with about half a leg dangling off the Fozzy bandwagon. Ok maybe a whole leg.
You think he's still fighting for a spot? I reckon he's an absolute lock to start when fit right now.
I'd have him locked, definitely. But I don't think he is - I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest to see BB or DMac starting there instead.
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the locking pair remind me of some old rookie and experienced but apathetic cop movie ... then again what options are there.. wings are interesting ... pace and power on one wing and Jordan on the other...
DMac at 10 huh. He'll show those armchair critics .. something ... the good thing about DMac's play is it doesn't sit on the fence ... good for him.
Ardie at 7 yes? Great to see the loosies start in what should be their normal positions ... but Ardie has nearly 20 less starts than TJP, although nearly 2 years younger, that shocked me.. -
the locking pair remind me of some old rookie and experienced but apathetic cop movie ... then again what options are there.. wings are interesting ... pace and power on one wing and Jordan on the other...
DMac at 10 huh. He'll show those armchair critics .. something ... the good thing about DMac's play is it doesn't sit on the fence ... good for him.
Ardie at 7 yes? Great to see the loosies start in what should be their normal positions ... but Ardie has nearly 20 less starts than TJP, although nearly 2 years younger, that shocked me..@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
but Ardie has nearly 20 less starts than TJP, although nearly 2 years younger, that shocked me..
What's shocking about that? Seems about right to me.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
but Ardie has nearly 20 less starts than TJP, although nearly 2 years younger, that shocked me..
What's shocking about that? Seems about right to me.
@bones said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
but Ardie has nearly 20 less starts than TJP, although nearly 2 years younger, that shocked me..
What's shocking about that? Seems about right to me.
TJ getting a lot of starts seems right to you?
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@bones said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
but Ardie has nearly 20 less starts than TJP, although nearly 2 years younger, that shocked me..
What's shocking about that? Seems about right to me.
TJ getting a lot of starts seems right to you?
@machpants said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@bones said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
but Ardie has nearly 20 less starts than TJP, although nearly 2 years younger, that shocked me..
What's shocking about that? Seems about right to me.
TJ getting a lot of starts seems right to you?
No, didn't see where it said that in the post. Ardie not getting a lot of starts does though. Plus there was a season or two where Perenara was preferred.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
but Ardie has nearly 20 less starts than TJP, although nearly 2 years younger, that shocked me..
What's shocking about that? Seems about right to me.
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@bones just Ardie almost always seems to have been there or on the bench when Cane was starting (actually Cane starting now seems long ago ...)
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@bones just Ardie almost always seems to have been there or on the bench when Cane was starting (actually Cane starting now seems long ago ...)
Yeah I feel like both have been played off the bench heeeeeaps. Perenara has pretty consistently been in the top 2 halves though, whereas Ardie...top 2 second fives, just not getting his chance.
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@machpants said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@bones said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
but Ardie has nearly 20 less starts than TJP, although nearly 2 years younger, that shocked me..
What's shocking about that? Seems about right to me.
TJ getting a lot of starts seems right to you?
No, didn't see where it said that in the post. Ardie not getting a lot of starts does though. Plus there was a season or two where Perenara was preferred.
@bones said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@machpants said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@bones said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
but Ardie has nearly 20 less starts than TJP, although nearly 2 years younger, that shocked me..
What's shocking about that? Seems about right to me.
TJ getting a lot of starts seems right to you?
No, didn't see where it said that in the post. Ardie not getting a lot of starts does though. Plus there was a season or two where Perenara was preferred.
Huh? That's not true, there's no season where he was ever preferred.
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the locking pair remind me of some old rookie and experienced but apathetic cop movie ... then again what options are there.. wings are interesting ... pace and power on one wing and Jordan on the other...
DMac at 10 huh. He'll show those armchair critics .. something ... the good thing about DMac's play is it doesn't sit on the fence ... good for him.
Ardie at 7 yes? Great to see the loosies start in what should be their normal positions ... but Ardie has nearly 20 less starts than TJP, although nearly 2 years younger, that shocked me..@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
DMac at 10 huh. He'll show those armchair critics .. something ... the good thing about DMac's play is it doesn't sit on the fence ... good for him.
DMac is the sort of player who could score 5 tries in a RWC Final but some people would still want him dropped on the basis the other players made it easy for him.
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@bones said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@machpants said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@bones said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
but Ardie has nearly 20 less starts than TJP, although nearly 2 years younger, that shocked me..
What's shocking about that? Seems about right to me.
TJ getting a lot of starts seems right to you?
No, didn't see where it said that in the post. Ardie not getting a lot of starts does though. Plus there was a season or two where Perenara was preferred.
Huh? That's not true, there's no season where he was ever preferred.
@nepia said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@bones said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@machpants said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@bones said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
but Ardie has nearly 20 less starts than TJP, although nearly 2 years younger, that shocked me..
What's shocking about that? Seems about right to me.
TJ getting a lot of starts seems right to you?
No, didn't see where it said that in the post. Ardie not getting a lot of starts does though. Plus there was a season or two where Perenara was preferred.
Huh? That's not true, there's no season where he was ever preferred.
Yeah after the toilet incident and Smith went down the dunny, form wise
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@nepia said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@bones said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@machpants said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@bones said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
but Ardie has nearly 20 less starts than TJP, although nearly 2 years younger, that shocked me..
What's shocking about that? Seems about right to me.
TJ getting a lot of starts seems right to you?
No, didn't see where it said that in the post. Ardie not getting a lot of starts does though. Plus there was a season or two where Perenara was preferred.
Huh? That's not true, there's no season where he was ever preferred.
Yeah after the toilet incident and Smith went down the dunny, form wise
@machpants said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@nepia said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@bones said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@machpants said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@bones said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
but Ardie has nearly 20 less starts than TJP, although nearly 2 years younger, that shocked me..
What's shocking about that? Seems about right to me.
TJ getting a lot of starts seems right to you?
No, didn't see where it said that in the post. Ardie not getting a lot of starts does though. Plus there was a season or two where Perenara was preferred.
Huh? That's not true, there's no season where he was ever preferred.
Yeah after the toilet incident and Smith went down the dunny, form wise
There's no season where TJ has had the majority of starts. In 2016, the year of the dunny incident TJ only started 3 matches.
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@machpants said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@nepia said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@bones said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@machpants said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@bones said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
but Ardie has nearly 20 less starts than TJP, although nearly 2 years younger, that shocked me..
What's shocking about that? Seems about right to me.
TJ getting a lot of starts seems right to you?
No, didn't see where it said that in the post. Ardie not getting a lot of starts does though. Plus there was a season or two where Perenara was preferred.
Huh? That's not true, there's no season where he was ever preferred.
Yeah after the toilet incident and Smith went down the dunny, form wise
There's no season where TJ has had the majority of starts. In 2016, the year of the dunny incident TJ only started 3 matches.
@nepia said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@machpants said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@nepia said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@bones said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@machpants said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@bones said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
but Ardie has nearly 20 less starts than TJP, although nearly 2 years younger, that shocked me..
What's shocking about that? Seems about right to me.
TJ getting a lot of starts seems right to you?
No, didn't see where it said that in the post. Ardie not getting a lot of starts does though. Plus there was a season or two where Perenara was preferred.
Huh? That's not true, there's no season where he was ever preferred.
Yeah after the toilet incident and Smith went down the dunny, form wise
There's no season where TJ has had the majority of starts. In 2016, the year of the dunny incident TJ only started 3 matches.
My bad, well certainly where it seemed a lot more even... especially on the fern mood (Smith was considered too bullied).
