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All Blacks vs Pumas II

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    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/300405781/all-blacks-vs-argentina-beauden-barretts-fitness-a-major-concern-for-ian-foster

    DMac to start at 10?

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      https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/300405781/all-blacks-vs-argentina-beauden-barretts-fitness-a-major-concern-for-ian-foster

      DMac to start at 10?

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      @kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:

      DMac to start at 10?

      It makes sense to rest him on a short turnaround so he's fit for the Boks. But who is the backup 10 then, Jordie? DH was awful there at the lower levels, so maybe TJ ahead of him?

      Last man standing stuff.

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      • KirwanK Kirwan

        @kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:

        DMac to start at 10?

        It makes sense to rest him on a short turnaround so he's fit for the Boks. But who is the backup 10 then, Jordie? DH was awful there at the lower levels, so maybe TJ ahead of him?

        Last man standing stuff.

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        @kirwan bridge is a playmaker isn't he?

        seriously though, jordie and jordan to 15?

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        • KiwiwombleK Kiwiwomble

          @kirwan bridge is a playmaker isn't he?

          seriously though, jordie and jordan to 15?

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          @kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:

          @kirwan bridge is a playmaker isn't he?

          If anything, he could benefit from a positional change. Similar to how DH was an average fullback, but is making a good fist of 2nd Five Eighth, Bridge could be a useful fullback and is an average winger.

          Problem for him there is he better than Jordan, Dmac or Jordie. Big nope.
          On wing is he better than Reiko, Reece, Jordan, Clarke? Big nope.

          Sooner Clarke rejoins the squad the better.

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          • KiwiwombleK Kiwiwomble

            @kirwan bridge is a playmaker isn't he?

            seriously though, jordie and jordan to 15?

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            @kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:

            @kirwan bridge is a playmaker isn't he?

            seriously though, jordie and jordan to 15?

            Better to give Jordie a run at 15, like they are doing with Akira at 6 and Dh at 12. It helps the top team selection for better opponents.

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              I would imagine Akira will get a rest and it could be injury enforced. he looked to to have a sore shoulder and had a big ice pack on it after the game. Hopefully only a 1 week deal.

              I think there are a few players back to fitness this week (De Groot, Patty T, Ofa)

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              • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

                I would imagine Akira will get a rest and it could be injury enforced. he looked to to have a sore shoulder and had a big ice pack on it after the game. Hopefully only a 1 week deal.

                I think there are a few players back to fitness this week (De Groot, Patty T, Ofa)

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                @kiwimurph said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:

                I would imagine Akira will get a rest and it could be injury enforced. he looked to to have a sore shoulder and had a big ice pack on it after the game. Hopefully only a 1 week deal.

                I think there are a few players back to fitness this week (De Groot, Patty T, Ofa)

                Yep, expecting him to be rested for the next game to be ready for the boks, even before his injury. It really is a crazy schedule.

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                • KirwanK Kirwan

                  @kiwimurph said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:

                  I would imagine Akira will get a rest and it could be injury enforced. he looked to to have a sore shoulder and had a big ice pack on it after the game. Hopefully only a 1 week deal.

                  I think there are a few players back to fitness this week (De Groot, Patty T, Ofa)

                  Yep, expecting him to be rested for the next game to be ready for the boks, even before his injury. It really is a crazy schedule.

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                  @kirwan i kind of like the schedule, much closer to a RWC type deal, forces the coaches to get their management better too

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                  • KiwiwombleK Kiwiwomble

                    @kirwan i kind of like the schedule, much closer to a RWC type deal, forces the coaches to get their management better too

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                    @kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:

                    @kirwan i kind of like the schedule, much closer to a RWC type deal, forces the coaches to get their management better too

                    Except the squad is smaller and no replacements available. It could get really messy, players long term damaging themselves cos there's no other option.

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                      @kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:

                      @kirwan i kind of like the schedule, much closer to a RWC type deal, forces the coaches to get their management better too

                      Except the squad is smaller and no replacements available. It could get really messy, players long term damaging themselves cos there's no other option.

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                      @machpants i said similar...not the same

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                        BBBR might be due a rest in this game, but only if Tuipulotu is fit to start. Savea being back would allow Papalii to be rested.

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                          DMac to start at 10 and Jordie at fullback.

                          Jordie the back up 10 with Jordan the back up fullback.

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                          • KirwanK Kirwan

                            @kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:

                            @kirwan bridge is a playmaker isn't he?

                            If anything, he could benefit from a positional change. Similar to how DH was an average fullback, but is making a good fist of 2nd Five Eighth, Bridge could be a useful fullback and is an average winger.

                            Problem for him there is he better than Jordan, Dmac or Jordie. Big nope.
                            On wing is he better than Reiko, Reece, Jordan, Clarke? Big nope.

                            Sooner Clarke rejoins the squad the better.

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                            @kirwan said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:

                            @kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:

                            @kirwan bridge is a playmaker isn't he?

                            If anything, he could benefit from a positional change. Similar to how DH was an average fullback, but is making a good fist of 2nd Five Eighth, Bridge could be a useful fullback and is an average winger.

                            Problem for him there is he better than Jordan, Dmac or Jordie. Big nope.
                            On wing is he better than Reiko, Reece, Jordan, Clarke? Big nope.

                            Sooner Clarke rejoins the squad the better.

                            Havili an average fullback? What a load of cr*p! He was unlucky to miss out in 2019, as he was the in-form fullback at the time. He missed out because they thought Jordie Barrett was more versatile (which was a joke of an reason). He was the best fullback by miles in 2020 SRA before his bowel surgery. I'm not saying that - taken over the years - he's been the best fullback, but he was definitely very close. Average, my *ss.

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                            • ACT CrusaderA ACT Crusader

                              DMac to start at 10 and Jordie at fullback.

                              Jordie the back up 10 with Jordan the back up fullback.

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                              @act-crusader said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:

                              DMac to start at 10 and Jordie at fullback.

                              Jordie the back up 10 with Jordan the back up fullback.

                              100% this. Please, please don't move Jordie again unless absolutely necessary, he needs as much time at 15 as possible.

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                                It might be easier to think who needs a rest. Nepo, BBBR, Akira seem to have put in a lot of minutes so far, BB slight injury concern. Are Taylor, ALB, Ofa and Ardie fit? Moody needs more minutes. Plus all the squad players who have not played yet. I'm not sure anyone would be able to pick the team this week.

                                Moody
                                Taylor
                                Ofa (Lomax)
                                Pat T
                                Barrett
                                Blackadder
                                Papalii
                                Savea
                                TJ
                                Jordan
                                Dmac
                                Havili
                                ALB
                                Reece
                                JBarrett

                                Sotutu
                                De Groot
                                Ta'avao
                                Aumua
                                BBBR
                                Christie
                                Ennor
                                RI

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                                • KiwiwombleK Kiwiwomble

                                  @machpants i said similar...not the same

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                                  @kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:

                                  @machpants i said similar...not the same

                                  Sorry my point was more I don't like the format of 5 games in 5 weeks, without the flexibility of normal travel and replacements

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                                  • chimoausC chimoaus

                                    It might be easier to think who needs a rest. Nepo, BBBR, Akira seem to have put in a lot of minutes so far, BB slight injury concern. Are Taylor, ALB, Ofa and Ardie fit? Moody needs more minutes. Plus all the squad players who have not played yet. I'm not sure anyone would be able to pick the team this week.

                                    Moody
                                    Taylor
                                    Ofa (Lomax)
                                    Pat T
                                    Barrett
                                    Blackadder
                                    Papalii
                                    Savea
                                    TJ
                                    Jordan
                                    Dmac
                                    Havili
                                    ALB
                                    Reece
                                    JBarrett

                                    Sotutu
                                    De Groot
                                    Ta'avao
                                    Aumua
                                    BBBR
                                    Christie
                                    Ennor
                                    RI

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                                    @chimoaus said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:

                                    It might be easier to think who needs a rest. Nepo, BBBR, Akira seem to have put in a lot of minutes so far, BB slight injury concern. Are Taylor, ALB, Ofa and Ardie fit? Moody needs more minutes. Plus all the squad players who have not played yet. I'm not sure anyone would be able to pick the team this week.

                                    Moody
                                    Taylor
                                    Ofa (Lomax)
                                    Pat T
                                    Barrett
                                    Blackadder
                                    Papalii
                                    Savea
                                    TJ
                                    Jordan
                                    Dmac
                                    Havili
                                    ALB
                                    Reece
                                    JBarrett

                                    Sotutu
                                    De Groot
                                    Ta'avao
                                    Aumua
                                    BBBR
                                    Christie
                                    Ennor
                                    RI

                                    I think it's really going to be a B side, because they've seen what Argentina offer, have to rotate, and have the boks up next

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                                      He confirmed that hooker Codie Taylor, props Ethan de Groot and Ofa Tuungafasi, lock Patrick Tuipulotu and loosie Ardie Savea would all likely be available for selection

                                      The injury room was pretty quiet, too. Anton Lienert-Brown strained his hamstring on game eve, and was a late withdrawal, but apart from a couple of minor knocks to Dalton Papalii and Asafo Aumua and some calf cramping for Beauden Barrett, all was well. Prop Joe Moody came through his first match since April with only a minor shoulder stinger that was not thought to be seriouss

                                      https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/300406104/all-blacks-vs-argentina-john-plumtree-hints-at-changes-as-physical-toll-factors-in

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                                      • chimoausC chimoaus

                                        It might be easier to think who needs a rest. Nepo, BBBR, Akira seem to have put in a lot of minutes so far, BB slight injury concern. Are Taylor, ALB, Ofa and Ardie fit? Moody needs more minutes. Plus all the squad players who have not played yet. I'm not sure anyone would be able to pick the team this week.

                                        Moody
                                        Taylor
                                        Ofa (Lomax)
                                        Pat T
                                        Barrett
                                        Blackadder
                                        Papalii
                                        Savea
                                        TJ
                                        Jordan
                                        Dmac
                                        Havili
                                        ALB
                                        Reece
                                        JBarrett

                                        Sotutu
                                        De Groot
                                        Ta'avao
                                        Aumua
                                        BBBR
                                        Christie
                                        Ennor
                                        RI

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                                        @chimoaus said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:

                                        It might be easier to think who needs a rest. Nepo, BBBR, Akira seem to have put in a lot of minutes so far, BB slight injury concern. Are Taylor, ALB, Ofa and Ardie fit? Moody needs more minutes. Plus all the squad players who have not played yet. I'm not sure anyone would be able to pick the team this week.

                                        Moody
                                        Taylor
                                        Ofa (Lomax)
                                        Pat T
                                        Barrett
                                        Blackadder
                                        Papalii
                                        Savea
                                        TJ
                                        Jordan
                                        Dmac
                                        Havili
                                        ALB
                                        Reece
                                        JBarrett

                                        Sotutu
                                        De Groot
                                        Ta'avao
                                        Aumua
                                        BBBR
                                        Christie
                                        Ennor
                                        RI

                                        Not enough continuity. Remember 2020?

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                                        • StargazerS Stargazer

                                          @kirwan said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:

                                          @kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:

                                          @kirwan bridge is a playmaker isn't he?

                                          If anything, he could benefit from a positional change. Similar to how DH was an average fullback, but is making a good fist of 2nd Five Eighth, Bridge could be a useful fullback and is an average winger.

                                          Problem for him there is he better than Jordan, Dmac or Jordie. Big nope.
                                          On wing is he better than Reiko, Reece, Jordan, Clarke? Big nope.

                                          Sooner Clarke rejoins the squad the better.

                                          Havili an average fullback? What a load of cr*p! He was unlucky to miss out in 2019, as he was the in-form fullback at the time. He missed out because they thought Jordie Barrett was more versatile (which was a joke of an reason). He was the best fullback by miles in 2020 SRA before his bowel surgery. I'm not saying that - taken over the years - he's been the best fullback, but he was definitely very close. Average, my *ss.

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                                          @stargazer said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:

                                          @kirwan said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:

                                          @kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:

                                          @kirwan bridge is a playmaker isn't he?

                                          If anything, he could benefit from a positional change. Similar to how DH was an average fullback, but is making a good fist of 2nd Five Eighth, Bridge could be a useful fullback and is an average winger.

                                          Problem for him there is he better than Jordan, Dmac or Jordie. Big nope.
                                          On wing is he better than Reiko, Reece, Jordan, Clarke? Big nope.

                                          Sooner Clarke rejoins the squad the better.

                                          Havili an average fullback? What a load of cr*p! He was unlucky to miss out in 2019, as he was the in-form fullback at the time. He missed out because they thought Jordie Barrett was more versatile (which was a joke of an reason). He was the best fullback by miles in 2020 SRA before his bowel surgery. I'm not saying that - taken over the years - he's been the best fullback, but he was definitely very close. Average, my *ss.

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