Wallabies v Springboks II
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@barbarian said in Wallabies v Springboks II:
That was fun to watch, the best we've played since the 2019 Perth Bledisloe.
For all the talk of kicking and mauling, the Bok game plan relies mainly on defence. Physical brick wall defence that starves you of points and creates opportunities on the counter.
But when you miss tackles and mis-read like they did today then the whole thing falls apart very quickly.
I was impressed with how we converted our chances, which was something we've struggled with under Rennie. We exploited space well and didn't force it with stupid cross-kicks or triple cut passes.
Samu Kerevi has been the revelation, and the strongest argument possible for relaxing the Giteau rule. His introduction has changed our season. Quade gets the attention, but it's Kerevi who has won us games.
Also a great game from Len Ikitau who is a lovely understated 13 with a great left boot. Great to see him hitting his straps.
Kerevi was 100% the biggest weapon. Caused carnage virtually every time he touched the ball and has a great cut out pass.
Cooper's biggest contribution is that he's stopped the silly shit and is now a safe pair of hands.
@rancid-schnitzel said in Wallabies v Springboks II:
@barbarian said in Wallabies v Springboks II:
That was fun to watch, the best we've played since the 2019 Perth Bledisloe.
For all the talk of kicking and mauling, the Bok game plan relies mainly on defence. Physical brick wall defence that starves you of points and creates opportunities on the counter.
But when you miss tackles and mis-read like they did today then the whole thing falls apart very quickly.
I was impressed with how we converted our chances, which was something we've struggled with under Rennie. We exploited space well and didn't force it with stupid cross-kicks or triple cut passes.
Samu Kerevi has been the revelation, and the strongest argument possible for relaxing the Giteau rule. His introduction has changed our season. Quade gets the attention, but it's Kerevi who has won us games.
Also a great game from Len Ikitau who is a lovely understated 13 with a great left boot. Great to see him hitting his straps.
Kerevi was 100% the biggest weapon. Caused carnage virtually every time he touched the ball and has a great cut out pass.
Cooper's biggest contribution is that he's stopped the silly shit and is now a safe pair of hands.
And defence, 100% and second highest tackles. Amazing!
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@rancid-schnitzel said in Wallabies v Springboks II:
@barbarian said in Wallabies v Springboks II:
That was fun to watch, the best we've played since the 2019 Perth Bledisloe.
For all the talk of kicking and mauling, the Bok game plan relies mainly on defence. Physical brick wall defence that starves you of points and creates opportunities on the counter.
But when you miss tackles and mis-read like they did today then the whole thing falls apart very quickly.
I was impressed with how we converted our chances, which was something we've struggled with under Rennie. We exploited space well and didn't force it with stupid cross-kicks or triple cut passes.
Samu Kerevi has been the revelation, and the strongest argument possible for relaxing the Giteau rule. His introduction has changed our season. Quade gets the attention, but it's Kerevi who has won us games.
Also a great game from Len Ikitau who is a lovely understated 13 with a great left boot. Great to see him hitting his straps.
Kerevi was 100% the biggest weapon. Caused carnage virtually every time he touched the ball and has a great cut out pass.
Cooper's biggest contribution is that he's stopped the silly shit and is now a safe pair of hands.
And defence, 100% and second highest tackles. Amazing!
@machpants said in Wallabies v Springboks II:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Wallabies v Springboks II:
@barbarian said in Wallabies v Springboks II:
That was fun to watch, the best we've played since the 2019 Perth Bledisloe.
For all the talk of kicking and mauling, the Bok game plan relies mainly on defence. Physical brick wall defence that starves you of points and creates opportunities on the counter.
But when you miss tackles and mis-read like they did today then the whole thing falls apart very quickly.
I was impressed with how we converted our chances, which was something we've struggled with under Rennie. We exploited space well and didn't force it with stupid cross-kicks or triple cut passes.
Samu Kerevi has been the revelation, and the strongest argument possible for relaxing the Giteau rule. His introduction has changed our season. Quade gets the attention, but it's Kerevi who has won us games.
Also a great game from Len Ikitau who is a lovely understated 13 with a great left boot. Great to see him hitting his straps.
Kerevi was 100% the biggest weapon. Caused carnage virtually every time he touched the ball and has a great cut out pass.
Cooper's biggest contribution is that he's stopped the silly shit and is now a safe pair of hands.
And defence, 100% and second highest tackles. Amazing!
I may have bagged him in the past for his tackling (and he should be a good tackler, can hit like Muhammad Ali apparently) but always an exciting player to watch and good to see he has worked on his weak points.
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@nta said in Wallabies v Springboks II:
https://twitter.com/ek_rugby/status/1439139873558917121?s=19
Ran a fantastic line across the field just like a quality flanker, and then hit that ruck with power and excellent technique like a flanker. He’s wearing the wrong number on his back
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@machpants said in Wallabies v Springboks II:
"it could not be any tighter" um, 12 all would be tighter
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@nta said in Wallabies v Springboks II:
https://twitter.com/ek_rugby/status/1439139873558917121?s=19
Ran a fantastic line across the field just like a quality flanker, and then hit that ruck with power and excellent technique like a flanker. He’s wearing the wrong number on his back
@act-crusader said in Wallabies v Springboks II:
@nta said in Wallabies v Springboks II:
https://twitter.com/ek_rugby/status/1439139873558917121?s=19
Ran a fantastic line across the field just like a quality flanker, and then hit that ruck with power and excellent technique like a flanker. He’s wearing the wrong number on his back
His line was originally towards the posts to cover any kicks, like a fulback, and then into that ruck. He was awesome all game
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@act-crusader said in Wallabies v Springboks II:
@nta said in Wallabies v Springboks II:
https://twitter.com/ek_rugby/status/1439139873558917121?s=19
Ran a fantastic line across the field just like a quality flanker, and then hit that ruck with power and excellent technique like a flanker. He’s wearing the wrong number on his back
His line was originally towards the posts to cover any kicks, like a fulback, and then into that ruck. He was awesome all game
@machpants said in Wallabies v Springboks II:
His line was originally towards the posts to cover any kicks, like a fulback
As the winger on the far side from the action, default action as the open winger and fullback coathanger in defence.
Could never accuse Koroibete of dodging hard work. And thankfully it looks like the rest of the team are starting to catch up to him and Hooper in the effort stakes.
Looking at these last 2 games it gives me a bit of confidence that we're not only moving in the right direction, but not actually that far off the pace as far as the ABs are concerned.
Just that their attack is so elastic the punishment for counterattack or intercept passes is large.
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Biggest pile of pussy hurt I've heard in a while
Pollard concedes they didn’t handle the tactics from the “street smart “ Wallabies who he felt had been allowed to get away with dubious off the ball actions.
"They are very street smart. They definitely train it and the referees don't see everything. If they pick it up now and then, great, and we do prep the refs on that as well," Pollard said.
"It's very difficult to see a lot of stuff off the ball with the refs focusing on the ball and breakdown. They're good at it.
"They do it very well and they get away with it 90% of the time. We don't do that, we don't coach that and we don't play the game that way, but it's not a problem if they want to do it.
"We should handle it, and that's about it."
They spend all their training time on how to fake an injury instead
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Biggest pile of pussy hurt I've heard in a while
Pollard concedes they didn’t handle the tactics from the “street smart “ Wallabies who he felt had been allowed to get away with dubious off the ball actions.
"They are very street smart. They definitely train it and the referees don't see everything. If they pick it up now and then, great, and we do prep the refs on that as well," Pollard said.
"It's very difficult to see a lot of stuff off the ball with the refs focusing on the ball and breakdown. They're good at it.
"They do it very well and they get away with it 90% of the time. We don't do that, we don't coach that and we don't play the game that way, but it's not a problem if they want to do it.
"We should handle it, and that's about it."
They spend all their training time on how to fake an injury instead
@machpants are the Wallabies a dirty team now?
Could be the influence of their "street smart" coach ... he must have learnt his trade on the rough streets of the concrete jungle* they call Upper Hutt...*https://www.huttvalleynz.com/experience/see-and-do/upper-hutt/
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These are just words for the refs officiating the games against the ABs.
You'd think Polly would be thinking about the tackles he missed
@nta said in Wallabies v Springboks II:
These are just words for the refs officiating the games against the ABs.
You'd think Polly would be thinking about the tackles he missed
There's only one Jasper Wiese....
I've thought since the lions series he was a card waiting to happen - surprised it took this long.
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I'll be surprised if this isn't going to be a citing. There's no way there are mitigating factors. First contact was with the head; with force.
@stargazer said in Wallabies v Springboks II:
I'll be surprised if this isn't going to be a citing. There's no way there are mitigating factors. First contact was with the head; with force.
As I said ...
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/no-8-jasper-wiese-cited-for-78th-minute-physical-abuse-incident/
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And sure, there is the argument that Kerevi was down low and what choice did he have?
No attempt to use the arms. That's a choice. Never trying to bind. Also a choice.
@nta said in Wallabies v Springboks II:
And sure, there is the argument that Kerevi was down low and what choice did he have?
No attempt to use the arms. That's a choice. Never trying to bind. Also a choice.
Head or head/shoulder of the Bok player direct to the head. Reckless is being polite (imo either dumb or pure frustrated thuggery, I can't read minds) but was hard to see any mitigation. I couldn't believe it wasn't a straight red card.
The Ref knew the game was over and wanted his shower and a beer or two with minimum fuss I think but happy it's been cited. If not it would have been a terrible precedent.
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And sure, there is the argument that Kerevi was down low and what choice did he have?
No attempt to use the arms. That's a choice. Never trying to bind. Also a choice.
@nta said in Wallabies v Springboks II:
And sure, there is the argument that Kerevi was down low and what choice did he have?
No attempt to use the arms. That's a choice. Never trying to bind. Also a choice.
Yep sometimes you can't stop/remove/tackle the player legally, so just don't. That's called getting beaten, it happens in sport.
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@nta said in Wallabies v Springboks II:
And sure, there is the argument that Kerevi was down low and what choice did he have?
No attempt to use the arms. That's a choice. Never trying to bind. Also a choice.
Yep sometimes you can't stop/remove/tackle the player legally, so just don't. That's called getting beaten, it happens in sport.
@machpants said in Wallabies v Springboks II:
@nta said in Wallabies v Springboks II:
And sure, there is the argument that Kerevi was down low and what choice did he have?
No attempt to use the arms. That's a choice. Never trying to bind. Also a choice.
Yep sometimes you can't stop/remove/tackle the player legally, so just don't. That's called getting beaten, it happens in sport.
I rewatched ... the Ref didn't go through the decision-tree type process they often talk through with the TMO for clarity. He didn't give a mitigation. After watching the replays he just went "I think we're on a yellow card".
The mental pressure the Refs are under must be immense, I think he'd switched off slightly like players do when the game is won ... mentally I think he bottled the red because he thought he'd finished his job for the day.
No excuse and you'd imagine he was pulled up in the referee's review post-game.
Nigel Owens talked in an interview about having a great game as ref (ABs vs Boks in Joberg 2013) then getting a complete bollocking in the review in his next test match ... he admitted he had a pretty poor game. Apparently he was told another performance like that and he had no chance of getting the RWC final.
So elite refs are under constant scrutiny to perform, just like elite players are.
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@nta said in Wallabies v Springboks II:
And sure, there is the argument that Kerevi was down low and what choice did he have?
No attempt to use the arms. That's a choice. Never trying to bind. Also a choice.
Yep sometimes you can't stop/remove/tackle the player legally, so just don't. That's called getting beaten, it happens in sport.
@machpants said in Wallabies v Springboks II:
@nta said in Wallabies v Springboks II:
And sure, there is the argument that Kerevi was down low and what choice did he have?
No attempt to use the arms. That's a choice. Never trying to bind. Also a choice.
Yep sometimes you can't stop/remove/tackle the player legally, so just don't. That's called getting beaten, it happens in sport.
Unless you're Jordie Barrett in which case "you just get it a bit wrong"
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@machpants said in Wallabies v Springboks II:
@nta said in Wallabies v Springboks II:
And sure, there is the argument that Kerevi was down low and what choice did he have?
No attempt to use the arms. That's a choice. Never trying to bind. Also a choice.
Yep sometimes you can't stop/remove/tackle the player legally, so just don't. That's called getting beaten, it happens in sport.
Unless you're Jordie Barrett in which case "you just get it a bit wrong"
@nta said in Wallabies v Springboks II:
@machpants said in Wallabies v Springboks II:
@nta said in Wallabies v Springboks II:
And sure, there is the argument that Kerevi was down low and what choice did he have?
No attempt to use the arms. That's a choice. Never trying to bind. Also a choice.
Yep sometimes you can't stop/remove/tackle the player legally, so just don't. That's called getting beaten, it happens in sport.
Unless you're Jordie Barrett in which case "you just get it a bit wrong"
I mean, the unco fluffybunny that caused it and would have had his second red card for an air tackle this season set the precedent for having cards wiped. But you go on and pretend it's an AB thing
