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@Billy-Tell said in Super Rugby News:
Really sad news. Wasting a career. I sort of hope it was recreational drugs and not cheating drugs.
Herald saying cheating drugs. In that case good riddance.
@Billy-Tell said in Super Rugby News:
@Billy-Tell said in Super Rugby News:
Really sad news. Wasting a career. I sort of hope it was recreational drugs and not cheating drugs.
Herald saying cheating drugs. In that case good riddance.
It doesn't say that, plus Herald has been known to get things wrong, so I'll await finding out more before I hang him.
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@Billy-Tell said in Super Rugby News:
@Billy-Tell said in Super Rugby News:
Really sad news. Wasting a career. I sort of hope it was recreational drugs and not cheating drugs.
Herald saying cheating drugs. In that case good riddance.
It doesn't say that, plus Herald has been known to get things wrong, so I'll await finding out more before I hang him.
@taniwharugby said in Super Rugby News:
@Billy-Tell said in Super Rugby News:
@Billy-Tell said in Super Rugby News:
Really sad news. Wasting a career. I sort of hope it was recreational drugs and not cheating drugs.
Herald saying cheating drugs. In that case good riddance.
It doesn't say that, plus Herald has been known to get things wrong, so I'll await finding out more before I hang him.
It says performance enhancing drugs. They're not talking about viagra here.
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@taniwharugby said in Super Rugby News:
@Billy-Tell said in Super Rugby News:
@Billy-Tell said in Super Rugby News:
Really sad news. Wasting a career. I sort of hope it was recreational drugs and not cheating drugs.
Herald saying cheating drugs. In that case good riddance.
It doesn't say that, plus Herald has been known to get things wrong, so I'll await finding out more before I hang him.
It says performance enhancing drugs. They're not talking about viagra here.
@Billy-Tell doesn't say that either.
Tuipulotu is not thought to have used recreational drugs.
Yes you can take from that it means performance enhancing, but maybe it was medicated?
I am happy to leave judgement until all is known.
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Left an All Blacks tour early, not available for the start of the Super rugby season, no one knows when or even if he will be playing again.
Doesn't look good!
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@Billy-Tell doesn't say that either.
Tuipulotu is not thought to have used recreational drugs.
Yes you can take from that it means performance enhancing, but maybe it was medicated?
I am happy to leave judgement until all is known.
Stuff were saying it was personal, and applying for exemption on compassionate grounds. Sounds like there is more to come on this - don't rush to judgement.
B sample results apparently not yet back either -w hich is a weirdly long time. He has also been in and around the Blues, so if it was PED then you'd hope they shitcanned him and barred him from the team.
Sad however this turns out.
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Stuff were saying it was personal, and applying for exemption on compassionate grounds. Sounds like there is more to come on this - don't rush to judgement.
B sample results apparently not yet back either -w hich is a weirdly long time. He has also been in and around the Blues, so if it was PED then you'd hope they shitcanned him and barred him from the team.
Sad however this turns out.
@nzzp said in Super Rugby News:
Stuff were saying it was personal, and applying for exemption on compassionate grounds. Sounds like there is more to come on this - don't rush to judgement.
B sample results apparently not yet back either -w hich is a weirdly long time. He has also been in and around the Blues, so if it was PED then you'd hope they shitcanned him and barred him from the team.
Sad however this turns out.
How can you take PEDs on compassionate grounds?
I guess I wait and see what evolves but if he's let off for PEDs the rest of the rugby world will go to town on it.
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@nzzp said in Super Rugby News:
Stuff were saying it was personal, and applying for exemption on compassionate grounds. Sounds like there is more to come on this - don't rush to judgement.
B sample results apparently not yet back either -w hich is a weirdly long time. He has also been in and around the Blues, so if it was PED then you'd hope they shitcanned him and barred him from the team.
Sad however this turns out.
How can you take PEDs on compassionate grounds?
I guess I wait and see what evolves but if he's let off for PEDs the rest of the rugby world will go to town on it.
@Billy-Tell said in Super Rugby News:
How can you take PEDs on compassionate grounds?
Drugs on the banned list may not be PED.
I think dope and cocaine are on there. Not sure either would actually help you play better at the top level.
as you say, wait and see...
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@nzzp said in Super Rugby News:
Stuff were saying it was personal, and applying for exemption on compassionate grounds. Sounds like there is more to come on this - don't rush to judgement.
B sample results apparently not yet back either -w hich is a weirdly long time. He has also been in and around the Blues, so if it was PED then you'd hope they shitcanned him and barred him from the team.
Sad however this turns out.
How can you take PEDs on compassionate grounds?
I guess I wait and see what evolves but if he's let off for PEDs the rest of the rugby world will go to town on it.
@Billy-Tell said in Super Rugby News:
I guess I wait and see what evolves but if he's let off for PEDs the rest of the rugby world will go to town on it.
They shouldn't based on the Chilliboy/Basson exoneration - but as he had a black jersey on briefly it will no doubt.
I guess we will see what comes out in the wash but it's hard to think of anything that could possibly be so personal to the point where everyone has gone dark on it. Literally the only thing I could think of would be something pertaining to hormones.
The fact he hasn't requested for his B sample be tested is not a good sign. Unless it truly is truly something bizzare/unfortunate Hansen and co should have come out and said it from the jump - especially if Patrick is not disputing that he took it.
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thing is, if there is any medical reasons for prescribed steroids or similar, the NZRU medical team should have known about it, and would surely have applied for an exemption or done whatever they need to do to prevent it getting to this, although I guess he could have seen a Dr. outside of the NZRU, but again, if he has prescribed something surely knowing who PT is (as a Dr. would I expect as part of the process of finding out about, job, family history etc) advise him what is being prescribed is a banned substance.
It certainly doesnt sound very good at all, hopefully there is a reasonable explanation, but I suspect we are unlikely to find out much leaving everyone to speculate.
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@Billy-Tell said in Super Rugby News:
I guess I wait and see what evolves but if he's let off for PEDs the rest of the rugby world will go to town on it.
They shouldn't based on the Chilliboy/Basson exoneration - but as he had a black jersey on briefly it will no doubt.
I guess we will see what comes out in the wash but it's hard to think of anything that could possibly be so personal to the point where everyone has gone dark on it. Literally the only thing I could think of would be something pertaining to hormones.
The fact he hasn't requested for his B sample be tested is not a good sign. Unless it truly is truly something bizzare/unfortunate Hansen and co should have come out and said it from the jump - especially if Patrick is not disputing that he took it.
@rotated yeah, that was my thought too. Some kind of treatment for reduced fertility without even giving a thought to the consequences for PED tests. If that was the case then poor bugger, a choice between your sport / livelihood and having a family is not a position anyone would wish for.
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thing is, if there is any medical reasons for prescribed steroids or similar, the NZRU medical team should have known about it, and would surely have applied for an exemption or done whatever they need to do to prevent it getting to this, although I guess he could have seen a Dr. outside of the NZRU, but again, if he has prescribed something surely knowing who PT is (as a Dr. would I expect as part of the process of finding out about, job, family history etc) advise him what is being prescribed is a banned substance.
It certainly doesnt sound very good at all, hopefully there is a reasonable explanation, but I suspect we are unlikely to find out much leaving everyone to speculate.
@taniwharugby said in Super Rugby News:
It certainly doesnt sound very good at all, hopefully there is a reasonable explanation, but I suspect we are unlikely to find out much leaving everyone to speculate.
When he gets a ban or a hearing is scheduled, we'll find out. That is public I understand
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@taniwharugby said in Super Rugby News:
It certainly doesnt sound very good at all, hopefully there is a reasonable explanation, but I suspect we are unlikely to find out much leaving everyone to speculate.
When he gets a ban or a hearing is scheduled, we'll find out. That is public I understand
@nzzp dunno if it is that straight forward, unless he has also broken the law, if it is an employment issue, and one that relates to some personal issue and something prescribed by his Dr, unless he wants it released, we may not find out.
Yes he may get a ban, yes he may lose his NZR contract, but doesnt mean we will find out what or why he took what he did.
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@nzzp dunno if it is that straight forward, unless he has also broken the law, if it is an employment issue, and one that relates to some personal issue and something prescribed by his Dr, unless he wants it released, we may not find out.
Yes he may get a ban, yes he may lose his NZR contract, but doesnt mean we will find out what or why he took what he did.
@taniwharugby said in Super Rugby News:
@nzzp dunno if it is that straight forward, unless he has also broken the law, if it is an employment issue, and one that relates to some personal issue and something prescribed by his Dr, unless he wants it released, we may not find out.
Yes he may get a ban, yes he may lose his NZR contract, but doesnt mean we will find out what or why he took what he did.
Doesn't it get taken away from NZRugby if they test positive?
Some itneresting case histories here:
http://drugfreesport.org.nz/athlete-support-network/medical-professionals/therapeutic-use-exemptions/tue-case-studies/ -
@taniwharugby said in Super Rugby News:
@nzzp dunno if it is that straight forward, unless he has also broken the law, if it is an employment issue, and one that relates to some personal issue and something prescribed by his Dr, unless he wants it released, we may not find out.
Yes he may get a ban, yes he may lose his NZR contract, but doesnt mean we will find out what or why he took what he did.
Doesn't it get taken away from NZRugby if they test positive?
Some itneresting case histories here:
http://drugfreesport.org.nz/athlete-support-network/medical-professionals/therapeutic-use-exemptions/tue-case-studies/more info here:
http://drugfreesport.org.nz/the-consequences-of-dopingFurther to these sanctions, an athlete who has been found guilty of an Anti-Doping Rule Violation is often exposed to a level of media attention that can result in permanent damage to their reputation. This can mean stories on the TV news, in newspapers, on social media such as Facebook and Twitter which, in cases of deliberate cheating, could lead to you being the subject of public contempt.
Looks like Rugby is on the list, so they are doing the testing for the NZRU. So should be public once the test is positive
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Rugby union related anti-doping decisions (not necessarily the procedures) are public and published here:
http://nzrugby.co.nz/what-we-do/regulations/anti-doping
This list doesn't look up-to-date.Decisions relating to other sports (including rugby league) are published here: http://www.sportstribunal.org.nz/decisions/all-decisions/search
The applicable anti-doping rules:
Sports Anti–Doping Rules 2017 (pdf)
NZ Rugby Union Anti-Doping Regulations 2012 (pdf) -
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@nzzp said in Super Rugby News:
Wonder why that release is out now, when they knew in November.
Not impressed.
Media get shit for releasing stories early based on heresay just for a few clicks then get shit for releasing something far too late for @nzzps liking. They just can't win.
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@nzzp said in Super Rugby News:
Wonder why that release is out now, when they knew in November.
Not impressed.
Media get shit for releasing stories early based on heresay just for a few clicks then get shit for releasing something far too late for @nzzps liking. They just can't win.
@MN5 said in Super Rugby News:
@nzzp said in Super Rugby News:
Wonder why that release is out now, when they knew in November.
Not impressed.
Media get shit for releasing stories early based on heresay just for a few clicks then get shit for releasing something far too late for @nzzps liking. They just can't win.
The media isn't releasing anything here. It's a joint statement by the union and player's association about something they were aware of months ago. They've released this statement because a media outlet has reported it. What bit of that confuses you?
