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Rebels have a far more talented roster than the Force do, but manage to squander it year after year.
Force are plucky battlers who get by on a mix of guts and effort, with very little skill. Makes them boring as shit to watch, though they have turned a corner this year and look to be putting forward one of their best seasons.
They've made big strides at the grassroots too. But the Rebels are privately owned so the ARU risk a big $$ payment if they chop them.
@barbarian said in Super Rugby News:
Rebels have a far more talented roster than the Force do, but manage to squander it year after year.
Force are plucky battlers who get by on a mix of guts and effort, with very little skill. Makes them boring as shit to watch, though they have turned a corner this year and look to be putting forward one of their best seasons.
They've made big strides at the grassroots too. But the Rebels are privately owned so the ARU risk a big $$ payment if they chop them.
That's the way things have moved recently. The Force are bereft of quality at the moment but what they do have is mostly home-grown now isn't it? I assume due to finances.
The Rebels may have the money to entice a bunch of players to a starting gig instead of being squaddies elsewhere, but that is achieving little for the game and IMO is weakening the other teams.
I guess the big question is which team is in the better position to be stronger after 'the shrinking'.
If the Rebels go then much of their roster will rehome back with the Tahs and Reds, a few of the phone ins will move to Perth.
If the Force go then I am guessing their players (I don't know their origins) will disperse among the 4 others and not add a great deal overall. -
ARU Chairman Cameron Clyne interviewed by former Wallabies coach turned shock jock Alan Jones this morning
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ARU Chairman Cameron Clyne interviewed by former Wallabies coach turned shock jock Alan Jones this morning
@KiwiMurph Alan Jones is a raving fuckwit. What's the point in bringing a bloke on if you're not going to listen to him?
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@KiwiMurph Alan Jones is a raving fuckwit. What's the point in bringing a bloke on if you're not going to listen to him?
@antipodean I actually thought Clyne came across well considering the circumstances (he was also impressive on Kick and Chase a Fox Rugby Show last night). Jones is almost a satire of himself - a walking shock jock stereotype.
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@KiwiMurph Alan Jones is a raving fuckwit. What's the point in bringing a bloke on if you're not going to listen to him?
Jesus fucking christ, trying to listen to that interview turned my brain into goo. Alan Jones is a raging fuckwit. First, he bitches and moans about Australian rugby propping up Japan, failing to see the irony in that when his big grand idea is a trans-tasman competiton. Second, he bitches and moans about the expansion to 18 teams as if the Sunwolves, Jaguares and Kings are the reason Australian rugby doesn't have the depth to support five teams. Third, he talks about SANZAAR as if Australia gets to call all the shots. There's plenty of other idiotic shit in there but I couldn't listen to any more.
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ARU Chairman Cameron Clyne interviewed by former Wallabies coach turned shock jock Alan Jones this morning
@KiwiMurph said in Super Rugby News:
ARU Chairman Cameron Clyne interviewed by former Wallabies coach turned shock jock Alan Jones this morning
Channelling his inner Murray Deaker was he?
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@KiwiMurph said in Super Rugby News:
ARU Chairman Cameron Clyne interviewed by former Wallabies coach turned shock jock Alan Jones this morning
Channelling his inner Murray Deaker was he?
@canefan said in Super Rugby News:
@KiwiMurph said in Super Rugby News:
ARU Chairman Cameron Clyne interviewed by former Wallabies coach turned shock jock Alan Jones this morning
Channelling his inner Murray Deaker was he?
I wouldn't be surprised if he'd channeled Murray Deaker inside him.
You'd think Alan Jones time of being someone who's opinions people gave a fuck about would have finished a long time ago .
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@KiwiMurph Alan Jones is a raving fuckwit. What's the point in bringing a bloke on if you're not going to listen to him?
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@antipodean I was going to listen to the interview but there's little point. Jones has an agenda and it's obvious that the contrasting way he treated both guests (Sauer and Clyne) reflected that.
@Bovidae talk back radio doesn't really work if you permit people to talk back.
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This is interesting
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This is interesting
https://twitter.com/_condo/status/852008061015179270@antipodean said in Super Rugby News:
This is interesting
https://twitter.com/_condo/status/852008061015179270I can believe that. When I was there I came across a lot of rugby folk that were very big on their club and the Wallabies but didn't connect with Super Rugby much at all
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Alan Jones made a valid point this morning...the ARU has allowed SANZAAR to make them ditch a team, while retaining the Sunwolves...Aus have the ability to veto this as well apparently.
I don't think there is any doubt Aus need to cull one team, but what happens from now going forward will be interesting.
@taniwharugby said in Super Rugby News:
Alan Jones made a valid point this morning...the ARU has allowed SANZAAR to make them ditch a team, while retaining the Sunwolves...Aus have the ability to veto this as well apparently.
I don't think there is any doubt Aus need to cull one team, but what happens from now going forward will be interesting.
"Alan Jones" and "valid point" makes me think of stopped watches.
But what that reads to me is, if Straya could have vetoed it, they are happy and actually want to ditch a team.
The more I think about it the more I want the Force retained.
Think the Brumbles and the Rabble should form some sort of merged entity.
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@taniwharugby all reports i have read say that the ARU actually want to cull a team, it's their decision, they simply can't afford the 5.
They aren't being pushed by SANZAAR, the NZRU aren't bullying them, the need to cut their costs, and that means one team needs to go. Of course the narrative on social media is very different.
The fact it's a decision made by the ARU will make it even more messy if the Force (or the Rebels) and the players union decide to get militant.
@mariner4life said in Super Rugby News:
@taniwharugby all reports i have read say that the ARU actually want to cull a team, it's their decision, they simply can't afford the 5.
They aren't being pushed by SANZAAR, the NZRU aren't bullying them, the need to cut their costs, and that means one team needs to go. Of course the narrative on social media is very different.
The fact it's a decision made by the ARU will make it even more messy if the Force (or the Rebels) and the players union decide to get militant.
What he said...
... just realised I'm three days late getting back to this thread.
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@taniwharugby said in Super Rugby News:
Alan Jones made a valid point this morning...the ARU has allowed SANZAAR to make them ditch a team, while retaining the Sunwolves...Aus have the ability to veto this as well apparently.
I don't think there is any doubt Aus need to cull one team, but what happens from now going forward will be interesting.
"Alan Jones" and "valid point" makes me think of stopped watches.
But what that reads to me is, if Straya could have vetoed it, they are happy and actually want to ditch a team.
The more I think about it the more I want the Force retained.
Think the Brumbles and the Rabble should form some sort of merged entity.
@booboo I agree, they cannot afford a team, but the point that Aus are losing a team but sunwolves remain is valid IMO
Hopefully without spreading thier talent so thin, they'll start to get stronger again...I think the rebels should be canned too
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Super 12 was the best format....
Ffs
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and yet we have been told regularly it has been the SA's pushing for expansion to accomodate thier massive player base and as they provide a substantial portion of the income, they get what they want...
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and yet we have been told regularly it has been the SA's pushing for expansion to accomodate thier massive player base and as they provide a substantial portion of the income, they get what they want...
@taniwharugby said in Super Rugby News:
and yet we have been told regularly it has been the SA's pushing for expansion to accomodate thier massive player base and as they provide a substantial portion of the income, they get what they want...
Also every couple of years they'd drop stories into the press about how they were going to join the NH comp because the time zone was better or similarly contrived reasons.
The stories normally came out when the money from supperugby or more teams being added was up for negotiation which was just a coincidence I'm sure. -
@booboo I agree, they cannot afford a team, but the point that Aus are losing a team but sunwolves remain is valid IMO
Hopefully without spreading thier talent so thin, they'll start to get stronger again...I think the rebels should be canned too
@taniwharugby said in Super Rugby News:
@booboo I agree, they cannot afford a team, but the point that Aus are losing a team but sunwolves remain is valid IMO
Hopefully without spreading thier talent so thin, they'll start to get stronger again...I think the rebels should be canned too
It's only a "good point" if the funds that're going into the Sunwolves came out of Australia's share of the broadcasting rights but going by Clyne's reaction to that, it doesn't. They're not getting any less money than they were before the Sunwolves joined. So at that point it's just protectionist nonsense, pointing to a different team that pays for itself as a distraction while plugging your ears and screaming LALALALALA when anyone brings up your own problems.
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@taniwharugby said in Super Rugby News:
@booboo I agree, they cannot afford a team, but the point that Aus are losing a team but sunwolves remain is valid IMO
Hopefully without spreading thier talent so thin, they'll start to get stronger again...I think the rebels should be canned too
It's only a "good point" if the funds that're going into the Sunwolves came out of Australia's share of the broadcasting rights but going by Clyne's reaction to that, it doesn't. They're not getting any less money than they were before the Sunwolves joined. So at that point it's just protectionist nonsense, pointing to a different team that pays for itself as a distraction while plugging your ears and screaming LALALALALA when anyone brings up your own problems.
@Unco as I said, I, as in me, think it is a valid point when you consider they are dropping an AUssie team while keeping a Japanese team, in the interest of Aussie rugby, that aspect is not good, but the fact Aussie rugby cant sustain 5 teams, probably even 4 is a struggle at the moment, then the point is irrelevant, they could keep a team from Mongolia and it wont affect Aussie rugby.
Its a shame Japanese rugby isnt all in for super rugby and have all thier best players contracted though.
