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    10 Springboks in the Bulls team to face the Stormers-
    Bulls: 15 Warrick Gelant, 14 Johnny Kotze, 13 Jessie Kriel, 12 Burger Odendaal, 11 Rosko Specman, 10 Handré Pollard, 9 Embrose Papier, 8 Duane Vermeulen, 7 Hanro Liebenberg, 6 Ruan Steenkamp, 5 Lood de Jager (captain), 4 Jason Jenkins, 3 Trevor Nyakane, 2 Schalk Brits, 1 Lizo Gqoboka.
    Replacements: 16 Corniel Els, 17 Simphiwe Matanzima, 18 Dayan van der Westhuizen, 19 Eli Snyman, 20 Thembelani Bholi, 21 Ivan van Zyl, 22 Manie Libbok, 23 Dylan Sage

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      So the Bulls were the only home team to win in round one

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         Hurricanes and All Blacks starting first-five Barrett is expected to miss next weekend's Super Rugby derby against the Crusaders in Christchurch while taking extended All Blacks leave.
        
        James Marshall, who can cover 10 or 15, lasted five minutes in his Hurricanes return as a second-half substitute in their 20-19 win over the Waratahs on Saturday. He was taken to hospital after the match with a dislocated shoulder.
        
        Hurricanes coach John Plumtree was asked post-match about his side's depth at first-five given Marshall's loss.
        
        "We've obviously got Jackson Garden-Bachop to fall back on and Beauden coming back, eventually, so it's not all doom and gloom," he said.
        
         Plumtree said Barrett would be back with the squad next week after spending two and a half weeks on his honeymoon.
        
        "Beauden will be back in next week, but we won't be rushing him back. He's got a process around his contact, so we'll make a call on that when we get home."
        
        It will likely fall to Fletcher Smith to once again start, with Garden-Bachop on the bench. 
        

        https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/110651634/beauden-barrett-expected-to-miss-derby-showdown-with-richie-mounga

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          https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/110653470/super-rugby-crusaders-on-the-hunt-for-prop-cover-after-all-black-tim-perry-breaks-arm

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          • DuluthD Duluth

            https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/110653470/super-rugby-crusaders-on-the-hunt-for-prop-cover-after-all-black-tim-perry-breaks-arm

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            #4265

            @Duluth

            As far as cover options go, loosehead Isileli Tu'ungafasi trained with the Crusaders during pre-season but is sidelined with a calf strain. Another option could be Otago prop Donald Brighouse, who impressed when called into the team as injury cover during their title run last season.

            What's Jarred Adams up to? Guess he may be a bit off the fitness level required for Super Rugby?

            Is Nic Mayhew still injured? He was prefered over Eves at Harbour last year.

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            • TimT Tim

              @Duluth

              As far as cover options go, loosehead Isileli Tu'ungafasi trained with the Crusaders during pre-season but is sidelined with a calf strain. Another option could be Otago prop Donald Brighouse, who impressed when called into the team as injury cover during their title run last season.

              What's Jarred Adams up to? Guess he may be a bit off the fitness level required for Super Rugby?

              Is Nic Mayhew still injured? He was prefered over Eves at Harbour last year.

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              @Tim said in Super Rugby News:

              Is Nic Mayhew still injured? He was prefered over Eves at Harbour last year.

              Playing for Yorkshire Carnegie.

              https://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/yorkshire-carnegie/yorkshire-carnegie-keep-it-in-the-family-with-kiwi-capture-nic-mayhew-1-9424413

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                https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/110672842/super-rugby-all-blacks-foundation-days-set-to-again-disrupt-the-five-kiwi-franchises

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                  Every week throughout Super Rugby we will award points to the three best performing rookies and at the end of the season a New Zealand Investec Super Rugby Rookie of the Year will be named. 
                  

                  Not sure who they mean with "we" though.
                  NZR? The editors of the NZ Super Rugby website? Or, heaven forbid, commentators at games (like the Duane Monkley Medal in the M10 Cup)?

                  NOTE: The qualification for rookies is players that are either playing in their first season of Super Rugby or who are playing their first season as a contracted player and have played less than five games prior to 2019.
                  

                  Round 1:
                  3 Points: Tom Robinson (Blues)
                  2 Points: Bailyn Sullivan (Chiefs)
                  1 point: Etene Nanai-Seturo (Chiefs)

                  http://www.superrugby.co.nz/News/33730/rookie-watch-chiefs-wingers-shine

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                    #4269

                    Match : Highlanders v Reds
                    Date : Friday 22 February
                    Venue : Forsyth Barr Stadium, Dunedin
                    Kick Off local: 19:35
                    Referee: Federico Anselmi
                    Assistant Ref 1:Nick Briant
                    Assistant Ref 2:James Doleman
                    TMO : Glenn Newman

                    Match : Sunwolves v Waratahs
                    Date : Saturday 23 February
                    Venue : Prince Chichibu Memorial Stadium, Tokyo
                    Kick Off local: 13:15
                    Referee: AJ Jacobs
                    Assistant Ref 1:Marius van der Westhuizen
                    Assistant Ref 2:Shuhei Kubo
                    TMO : Minoru Fuji

                    Match :Crusaders v Hurricanes
                    Date :Saturday 23 February
                    Venue : AMI Stadium, Christchurch
                    Kick Off local: 19:35
                    Referee: Ben O’Keeffe
                    Assistant Ref 1:Federico Anselmi
                    Assistant Ref 2: Nick Briant
                    TMO :Glenn Newman

                    Match : Brumbies v Chiefs
                    Date : Saturday 23 February
                    Venue : GIO Stadium, Canberra
                    Kick Off local: 19:45
                    Referee: Angus Gardner
                    Assistant Ref 1:Damon Murphy
                    Assistant Ref 2:Graham Cooper
                    TMO : Ian Smith

                    Match : Sharks v Blues
                    Date : Saturday 23 February
                    Venue : Kings Park , Durban
                    Kick Off local: 15:05
                    Referee: Paul Williams
                    Assistant Ref 1:Cwengile Jadezweni
                    Assistant Ref 2:Griffon Colby
                    TMO : Marius Jonker

                    Match :Stormers v Lions
                    Date : Saturday 23 February
                    Venue : Newlands, Cape Town
                    Kick Off local: 17:15
                    Referee: Egon Seconds
                    Assistant Ref 1: Divan Uys
                    Assistant Ref 2:Aimee Barrat-Theron
                    TMO :Christie du Preez

                    Match : Jaguares v Bulls
                    Date : Saturday 23 February
                    Venue : Estadio José Amalfitani, Buenos Aires
                    Kick Off local: 18:40
                    Referee: Brendon Pickerill
                    Assistant Ref 1:Rasta Rasivhenge
                    Assistant Ref 2:Mike Fraser
                    TMO : Santiago Borsani

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                      https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/110838739/super-rugby-hurricanes-whistle-up-lions-lock-andries-ferreira--sa-report

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                        http://www.rugby.com.au/news/2019/02/25/super-rugby-waratahs-latu-hearing

                        Waratahs hooker Tolu Latu has been suspended for six weeks for dangerous play in the final stages of NSW's Tokyo win.
                        
                        Latu faced a SANZAAR hearing on Monday night after being cited for an incident in the 79th minute of their 31-30 win over the Sunwolves when the hooker appeared to dive at the knee of Sunwolves flanker Ed Quirk.
                        
                        Latu will not be available to play for the Waratahs until their April 27 clash against the Sharks at Western Sydney Stadium.
                        
                        He will miss five matches in total with the Waratahs on a bye this week.
                        
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                        • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

                          http://www.rugby.com.au/news/2019/02/25/super-rugby-waratahs-latu-hearing

                          Waratahs hooker Tolu Latu has been suspended for six weeks for dangerous play in the final stages of NSW's Tokyo win.
                          
                          Latu faced a SANZAAR hearing on Monday night after being cited for an incident in the 79th minute of their 31-30 win over the Sunwolves when the hooker appeared to dive at the knee of Sunwolves flanker Ed Quirk.
                          
                          Latu will not be available to play for the Waratahs until their April 27 clash against the Sharks at Western Sydney Stadium.
                          
                          He will miss five matches in total with the Waratahs on a bye this week.
                          
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                          @KiwiMurph He's a brainless clown. Good to see these sorts of bans being issued for those types of "tackles". Sinckler should have been cited for one against Wales.

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                            @KiwiMurph He's a brainless clown. Good to see these sorts of bans being issued for those types of "tackles". Sinckler should have been cited for one against Wales.

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                            @antipodean he seems to have really one to town on the cynical and foul play this season? Too fit now and just finding stuff to do?

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                              Match : Hurricanes v Brumbies
                              Date : Friday 1 March
                              Venue : Central Energy Trust Arena, Palmerston North
                              Kick Off local: 19:35
                              Referee: Nick Briant
                              Assistant Ref 1:Federico Anselmi
                              Assistant Ref 2:Nick Hogan
                              TMO : Aaron Paterson

                              Match : Rebels v Highlanders
                              Date : Friday 1 March
                              Venue : AAMI Park, Melbourne
                              Kick Off local: 19:45
                              Referee: AJ Jacobs
                              Assistant Ref 1:Marius van der Westhuizen
                              Assistant Ref 2:Damon Murphy
                              TMO : Ian Smith

                              Match : Chiefs v Sunwolves
                              Date : Saturday 2 March
                              Venue : FMG Stadium, Waikato
                              Kick Off local: 19:35
                              Referee: Federico Anselmi
                              Assistant Ref 1: Nick Briant
                              Assistant Ref 2: Dan Waenga
                              TMO :Shane McDermott

                              Match : Reds v Crusaders
                              Date : Saturday 2 March
                              Venue : Suncorp Stadium, Brisbane
                              Kick Off local: 18:45
                              Referee: Marius van der Westhuizen
                              Assistant Ref 1:AJ Jacobs
                              Assistant Ref 2:Damon Murphy
                              TMO :George Ayoub

                              Match : Lions v Bulls
                              Date : Saturday 2 March
                              Venue : Emirates Airlines (Ellis) Park, Johannesburg
                              Kick Off local: 15:05
                              Referee: Paul Williams
                              Assistant Ref 1:Cwengile Jadezweni
                              Assistant Ref 2: Griffon Colby
                              TMO : Marius Jonker

                              Match : Sharks v Stormers
                              Date : Saturday 2 March
                              Venue : Kings Park , Durban
                              Kick Off local: 17:15
                              Referee: Jaco Peyper
                              Assistant Ref 1:Egon Seconds
                              Assistant Ref 2:Divan Uys
                              TMO :Willie Vos

                              Match : Jaguares v Blues
                              Date : Saturday 2 March
                              Venue : Estadio José Amalfitani, Buenos Aires
                              Kick Off local: 18:40
                              Referee: Rasta Rasivhenge
                              Assistant Ref 1:Mike Fraser
                              Assistant Ref 2:Brendon Pickerill
                              TMO : Santiago Borsani

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                                Match : Hurricanes v Brumbies
                                Date : Friday 1 March
                                Venue : Central Energy Trust Arena, Palmerston North
                                Kick Off local: 19:35
                                Referee: Nick Briant
                                Assistant Ref 1:Federico Anselmi
                                Assistant Ref 2:Nick Hogan
                                TMO : Aaron Paterson

                                Match : Rebels v Highlanders
                                Date : Friday 1 March
                                Venue : AAMI Park, Melbourne
                                Kick Off local: 19:45
                                Referee: AJ Jacobs
                                Assistant Ref 1:Marius van der Westhuizen
                                Assistant Ref 2:Damon Murphy
                                TMO : Ian Smith

                                Match : Chiefs v Sunwolves
                                Date : Saturday 2 March
                                Venue : FMG Stadium, Waikato
                                Kick Off local: 19:35
                                Referee: Federico Anselmi
                                Assistant Ref 1: Nick Briant
                                Assistant Ref 2: Dan Waenga
                                TMO :Shane McDermott

                                Match : Reds v Crusaders
                                Date : Saturday 2 March
                                Venue : Suncorp Stadium, Brisbane
                                Kick Off local: 18:45
                                Referee: Marius van der Westhuizen
                                Assistant Ref 1:AJ Jacobs
                                Assistant Ref 2:Damon Murphy
                                TMO :George Ayoub

                                Match : Lions v Bulls
                                Date : Saturday 2 March
                                Venue : Emirates Airlines (Ellis) Park, Johannesburg
                                Kick Off local: 15:05
                                Referee: Paul Williams
                                Assistant Ref 1:Cwengile Jadezweni
                                Assistant Ref 2: Griffon Colby
                                TMO : Marius Jonker

                                Match : Sharks v Stormers
                                Date : Saturday 2 March
                                Venue : Kings Park , Durban
                                Kick Off local: 17:15
                                Referee: Jaco Peyper
                                Assistant Ref 1:Egon Seconds
                                Assistant Ref 2:Divan Uys
                                TMO :Willie Vos

                                Match : Jaguares v Blues
                                Date : Saturday 2 March
                                Venue : Estadio José Amalfitani, Buenos Aires
                                Kick Off local: 18:40
                                Referee: Rasta Rasivhenge
                                Assistant Ref 1:Mike Fraser
                                Assistant Ref 2:Brendon Pickerill
                                TMO : Santiago Borsani

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                                @Daffy-Jaffy said in Super Rugby News:

                                Referee: Rasta Rasivhenge

                                Fuck.

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                                • TimT Tim

                                  @Daffy-Jaffy said in Super Rugby News:

                                  Referee: Rasta Rasivhenge

                                  Fuck.

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                                  @Tim said in Super Rugby News:

                                  @Daffy-Jaffy said in Super Rugby News:

                                  Referee: Rasta Rasivhenge

                                  Fuck.

                                  More evidence to my stance that dragging a team off the bottom rung is way harder than just selections and coaching ability.
                                  You have to navigate having the shit draw and the shit refs as other teams are deemed more 'important' by ranking.

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                                    @Tim said in Super Rugby News:

                                    @Daffy-Jaffy said in Super Rugby News:

                                    Referee: Rasta Rasivhenge

                                    Fuck.

                                    More evidence to my stance that dragging a team off the bottom rung is way harder than just selections and coaching ability.
                                    You have to navigate having the shit draw and the shit refs as other teams are deemed more 'important' by ranking.

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                                    @Crucial Are you suggesting that ref appointments are influenced by how teams are ranked?

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                                    • StargazerS Stargazer

                                      @Crucial Are you suggesting that ref appointments are influenced by how teams are ranked?

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                                      @Stargazer said in Super Rugby News:

                                      @Crucial Are you suggesting that ref appointments are influenced by how teams are ranked?

                                      Yeah, I think they are (to an extent). There are probably a number of factors such as availability, location, the 'team of four' etc but certainly they would avoid putting a rookie in charge of a high interest game.

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                                        @Stargazer said in Super Rugby News:

                                        @Crucial Are you suggesting that ref appointments are influenced by how teams are ranked?

                                        Yeah, I think they are (to an extent). There are probably a number of factors such as availability, location, the 'team of four' etc but certainly they would avoid putting a rookie in charge of a high interest game.

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                                        @Crucial I haven't seen any evidence of that during the first rounds.

                                        This is from SANZAAR's website:

                                        Following a comprehensive review of match official performances in 2018 and to ensure continued growth in the referee team performance, the team has been reduced from 17 to 15 referees. Another outcome from the review will see all match referees, assistant referees and television match official appointments being made by SANZAAR. When required, due to logistical and operational requirements, SANZAAR will utilise match officials from outside the team of 15 that allows for the development of local talent.
                                        
                                        “The team is a well balanced mix of referees with Test and Super Rugby experience and several emerging referees who now have one or two seasons under their belt. The experience in the team comes from Jaco Peyper and Glen Jackson, who have refereed 95 and 77 matches respectively, while we also have a group around the 40-60 mark including Angus Gardner, Nick Briant, Ben O’Keeffe and Mike Fraser. Making their Super Rugby debuts this year will be AJ Jacobs and Damon Murphy,” said Super Rugby Game Manager, Lyndon Bray.
                                        
                                        “What is exciting for 2019, is that our 15 referees will be working closely in five pods of three, with each pod refereeing together on as many of their games as is practical (referee and assistant referees).  This will inevitably help the efficiency of their teamwork and the way in which they can support each other, both on and off the field.”
                                        

                                        What was clear from the first rounds is that each pod officiates one or two games per weekend, but the roles are not the same in each game. So a ref in one game, will be an AR in another, and vice versa. The pod of refs that was in Argentina in week 1 is the same as the pod in week 2 and 3, and obviously that has been done to avoid travel.

                                        For example:

                                        week 1

                                        Match Jaguares v Lions @ Jose Amalfitani Stadium, Buenos Aires
                                        Date Saturday 16 February
                                        Kick-off 18:40 local
                                        Referee Mike Fraser
                                        AR1 Brendon Pickerill
                                        AR2 Rasta Rasivhenge
                                        TMO Santiago Borsani

                                        week 2
                                        Match Jaguares v Bulls @ Jose Amalfitani Stadium, Buenos Aires
                                        Date Saturday 23 February
                                        Kick-off 18:40 local
                                        Referee Brendon Pickerill
                                        AR1 Rasta Rasivhenge
                                        AR2 Mike Fraser
                                        TMO Santiago Borsani

                                        week 3
                                        Match Jaguares v Blues @ Jose Amalfitani Stadium, Buenos Aires
                                        Date Saturday 2 March
                                        Kick-off 18:40 local
                                        Referee Rasta Rasivhenge
                                        AR1 Mike Fraser
                                        AR2 Brendon Pickerill
                                        TMO Santiago Borsani

                                        After this game, the Jaguares will travel, so this pod will travel as well.

                                        To use another pod as an example:

                                        week 1
                                        Match Chiefs v Highlanders @ FMG Stadium, Hamilton
                                        Date Friday 15 February
                                        Kick-off 19:35 local
                                        Referee Glen Jackson
                                        AR1 Federico Anselmi
                                        AR2 Nick Briant
                                        TMO Aaron Paterson

                                        Match Blues v Crusaders @ Eden Park, Auckland
                                        Date Saturday 16 February
                                        Kick-off 19:35 local
                                        Referee Nick Briant
                                        AR1 Federico Anselmi
                                        AR2 Dan Waenga
                                        TMO Ben Skeen

                                        week 2
                                        Match Highlanders v Reds @ Forsyth Barr Stadium, Dunedin
                                        Date Friday 22 February
                                        Kick-off 19:35 local
                                        Referee Federico Anselmi
                                        AR1 Nick Briant
                                        AR2 James Doleman
                                        TMO Glenn Newman

                                        Match Crusaders v Hurricanes @ Christchurch Stadium, Christchurch
                                        Date Saturday 23 February
                                        Kick-off 19:35 local
                                        Referee Ben O'Keeffe
                                        AR1 Federico Anselmi
                                        AR2 Nick Briant
                                        TMO Glenn Newman

                                        week 3
                                        Match Hurricanes v Brumbies @ Central Energy Arena, Palmerston North
                                        Date Friday 1 March
                                        Kick-off 19:35 local
                                        Referee Nick Briant
                                        AR1 Federico Anselmi
                                        AR2 Nick Hogan
                                        TMO Aaron Paterson

                                        Match Chiefs v Sunwolves @ FMG Stadium, Hamilton
                                        Date Saturday 2 March
                                        Kick-off 19:35 local
                                        Referee Federico Anselmi
                                        AR1 Nick Briant
                                        AR2 Dan Waenga
                                        TMO Shane McDermott

                                        In this second example, you that Anselmi and Briant are in the same pod, officiate two games - in New Zealand - per weekend together, in each of the first three rounds.. The third ref is less clear, it could be Jackson, but he officiates fewer games, probably because he's involved in officiating Six Nations (IRC). You see the same with - for example - O'Keefe and Gardner.

                                        Referees Jacobs and van der Westhuizen have been on duty together, first in Singapore and then in Tokyo, but now the Sunwolves are travelling, so this weekend they're officiating two games in Australia.

                                        To me, it looks all very rational - with a lot of consideration for logistics - and don't see any reason to suspect a team's ranking has anything to do with which referee is officiating their games.

                                        By the way, Jaguares v Lions and Jaguares v Bulls can be considered "high interest games" in the South African conference. The Blues get the same pod for their match against the Jaguares.

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                                          @Stargazer , I get all of that which is why I mentioned the 'team of 4' (didn't realise the term was now 'pod') and logistics/ location.
                                          When these 'locals' or pod members get elevated to reffing a match you can be certain it will be when lower ranked teams are playing and not, for example, when the Crusaders play the Highlanders.

                                          Team 'ranking' will come into consideration in ref allocation at both ends of the scale.

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