Alec Baldwin
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@antipodean said in Alec Baldwin:
That should really have come with a trigger warning
(yes I shamelessly stole that joke)
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I stand with Alec to be honest.
I’ve never worked on a film set. I don’t know how often rules are bent, swerved or broken, literally no clue.
But I do know that if you are handed a safe gun from a trusted colleague, just like you have 1,000 times before you have reason to think it’s safe.
I don’t deny the severity of this for the victims family. But I suspect it will be equal to AB.
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@majorrage said in Alec Baldwin:
I stand with Alec to be honest.
I’ve never worked on a film set. I don’t know how often rules are bent, swerved or broken, literally no clue.
But I do know that if you are handed a safe gun from a trusted colleague, just like you have 1,000 times before you have reason to think it’s safe.
I don’t deny the severity of this for the victims family. But I suspect it will be equal to AB.
Yeah, shit all around really.
I don't know the legal situation as to where the buck stops for H&S or how far you are expected to go to ensure that people are doing their jobs properly. What's the crossover point between responsibility and liability? -
@majorrage said in Alec Baldwin:
But I do know that if you are handed a safe gun from a trusted colleague, just like you have 1,000 times before you have reason to think it’s safe.
The armourer should demonstrate the gun is safe or the actor should verify it themselves (they are trained on gun safety if handling a gun). They should never take someones word for it
More importantly, even if a gun is considered safe, you don't point it at someone and pull the trigger
I would wait to see what levels of negligence are involved in this case before excusing the people involved or calling for reforming the entire industry. Thousands and thousands of scenes are filmed safely why was this one different?
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@duluth said in Alec Baldwin:
@majorrage said in Alec Baldwin:
But I do know that if you are handed a safe gun from a trusted colleague, just like you have 1,000 times before you have reason to think it’s safe.
The armourer should demonstrate the gun is safe or the actor should verify it themselves (they are trained on gun safety if handling a gun). They should never take someones word for it
More importantly, even if a gun is considered safe, you don't point it at someone and pull the trigger
I would wait to see what levels of negligence are involved in this case before excusing the people involved or calling for reforming the entire industry. Thousands and thousands of scenes are filmed safely why was this one different?
That last sentence is literally my point.
Corners are cut in every single walk of life where familiarity is in play.
I don’t disagree guns should be different. But that’s not human nature.
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@duluth said in Alec Baldwin:
@majorrage said in Alec Baldwin:
But I do know that if you are handed a safe gun from a trusted colleague, just like you have 1,000 times before you have reason to think it’s safe.
More importantly, even if a gun is considered safe, you don't point it at someone and pull the trigger
I was just reading an article where they explained they were rehearsing a scene where baldwin "fires" down the lens where the director of photography and the director were standing, so it doesn't sound as if he did something wrong, or at least everyone involved was on the same page as to what was happening, he wasn't waving it around playing silly buggers
The more i read the more it sounds like there may have been several failings but the biggest being live ammo was not supposed to be on set
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@majorrage said in Alec Baldwin:
Corners are cut in every single walk of life where familiarity is in play.
Comments from other actors/movie sets suggest that the protocols are followed very strictly. As they should be.
If corners were cut people should be prosecuted
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@duluth said in Alec Baldwin:
@majorrage said in Alec Baldwin:
Corners are cut in every single walk of life where familiarity is in play.
Comments from other actors/movie sets suggest that the protocols are followed very strictly. As they should be.
If corners were cut people should be prosecuted
I think that’s also my point. I don’t believe other actors / movie set folks.
Not sure why, just don’t.
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@majorrage said in Alec Baldwin:
Corners are cut in every single walk of life where familiarity is in play.
Agreed, but not in the area of expertise of people you hire specifically for that purpose.
I wouldn't have taken live ammunition to the site. I would've provided an inert weapon for the setup and rehearsal of the scene until the cinematographer was happy. Then loaded and provided the gun with blank ammunition in front of the actor, providing it to the actor personally, not through an intermediary and let everyone on set know he had a "hot weapon".
If the familiarity came from the actor, the deputy director etc. then that in my opinion still rests on the armourer for not having the strength of character to insist - do it properly or don't do it at all.
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@nevorian Well if it's too soon for that, it is surely too soon for this:-
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Did I read they used them for target practice with real guns? I can't believe they would be so stupid.
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@kirwan said in Alec Baldwin:
@frye said in Alec Baldwin:
Shame it was a regular person that died and not a celebrity.
Well that’s a nice way to view the world. What an awful thing to write.
Yeah, I just don't get that. We make them celebrity, not them.
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