Alec Baldwin
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i did some googling as was so surprised, seems there are industry guidelines about not bringing live ammunition on set
Prop guns spark debate after cinematographer's death on set
An on-set shooting death has reignited concern about the use of prop guns like the weapon actor Alec Baldwin discharged in the killing of cinematographer Halyna Hutchins while filming a movie in New Mexico.
directs to this
"BLANKS CAN KILL. TREAT ALL FIREARMS AS THOUGH THEY ARE LOADED. "LIVE AMMUNITION" IS NEVER TO BE USED NOR BROUGHT ONTO ANY STUDIO LOT OR STAGE."and from
Guns, Ammo, Accountability: Hollywood Munitions Experts Grapple With ‘Rust’ Tragedy
Questions swirl about on-set gun safety and who could be at fault after Alec Baldwin discharged a prop gun loaded with live rounds, killing cinematographer Halyna Hutchins and injuring director Joel Souza.
Firearms safety guidelines are clear and longstanding in Hollywood, where guns have been employed on the big screen since the silent film era: Live ammunition is never to be used nor brought onto any studio lot or stage. Blanks can kill. Treat all firearms as though they are loaded.obviously just guidelines
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@kid-chocolate ok. Different perspectives.
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@kiwiwomble said in Alec Baldwin:
does anyone know why they would have even had real rounds on set? and they keep saying it was a prop gun...but if a prop gun can fire a normal round doesn't that just make it a normal gun?
That's been my query. How in the hell can they have a prop that is a real gun?
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@booboo that language has added to the confusion. Real or fake they apparently call any weapon a prop gun. I'd read that the person looking after the guns had gone shooting with live rounds earlier in the day (as they had some cool guns on set) then things went really wrong after that.
I'm not sure if that has been substantiated, but there were reports of earlier fuck ups with guns, and people walking off set. Sounds like a nightmare with all the union and scab workers coming/going and some inexperienced people working in critical roles. Not to mention the guy that handed Baldwin the gun and called out that it was all good to go. -
@paekakboyz yeah, i just read that too
that they use to take the guns for target practice, nothing to do with filming, just for fun
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@kiwiwomble said in Alec Baldwin:
@paekakboyz yeah, i just read that too
that they use to take the guns for target practice, nothing to do with filming, just for fun
Part and parcel of living in a society that sees guns as 'normal'.
Just increases the risk levels.I know it is probably cheaper and easier but why don't they actually use 'props'? Model replicas that can't fire bullets?
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@rancid-schnitzel he's well named isn't he.
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@paekakboyz said in Alec Baldwin:
@rancid-schnitzel he's well named isn't he.
He doesn't hide who he is. He's a Russian Jew so his real name is Malicowisz or something. Have you ever seen him on Rogan? He's actually very interesting. Wrote a great book on North Korea. Hates cops with a passion. And obviously Alec Baldwin
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@paekakboyz said in Alec Baldwin:
I'd read that the person looking after the guns had gone shooting with live rounds earlier in the day (as they had some cool guns on set) then things went really wrong after that.
I'm astonished.
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When you think about all the millions of films, TV shows, skits, videos etc etc made that involve people shooting or killing each other it must take a special level of incompetence for this to happen. If even the cheapest, shittiest independent films can keep people safe then this should never happen on a decent budget Hollywood production. I mean it's a Western ffs. It's like them not having climbing safety experts involved in the making of Cliffhanger.
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@antipodean said in Alec Baldwin:
@paekakboyz said in Alec Baldwin:
I'd read that the person looking after the guns had gone shooting with live rounds earlier in the day (as they had some cool guns on set) then things went really wrong after that.
I'm astonished.
Someone is going to get in deep shit over this
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@rancid-schnitzel said in Alec Baldwin:
When you think about all the millions of films, TV shows, skits, videos etc etc made that involve people shooting or killing each other it must take a special level of incompetence for this to happen. If even the cheapest, shittiest independent films can keep people safe then this should never happen on a decent budget Hollywood production. I mean it's a Western ffs. It's like them not having climbing safety experts involved in the making of Cliffhanger.
i think thats largely why i assumed films would only use prop guns (not real ones as i have learnt) and blanks, i felt people were too stupid to have real guns and ammo around and for this to mot be more common
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@kiwiwomble said in Alec Baldwin:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Alec Baldwin:
When you think about all the millions of films, TV shows, skits, videos etc etc made that involve people shooting or killing each other it must take a special level of incompetence for this to happen. If even the cheapest, shittiest independent films can keep people safe then this should never happen on a decent budget Hollywood production. I mean it's a Western ffs. It's like them not having climbing safety experts involved in the making of Cliffhanger.
i think thats largely why i assumed films would only use prop guns (not real ones as i have learnt) and blanks, i felt people were too stupid to have real guns and ammo around and for this to mot be more common
A gun that can fire blanks can fire live ammunition. Blanks can kill - they have a minimum safe distance.
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@antipodean as ive said, i was under the impression a prop gun was different to a real gun...hense the use of the name prop gun rather than...gun
of course they can still kill, as i have read about, but no projectile definitely makes the minimum safe distance smaller
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@antipodean said in Alec Baldwin:
@kiwiwomble said in Alec Baldwin:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Alec Baldwin:
When you think about all the millions of films, TV shows, skits, videos etc etc made that involve people shooting or killing each other it must take a special level of incompetence for this to happen. If even the cheapest, shittiest independent films can keep people safe then this should never happen on a decent budget Hollywood production. I mean it's a Western ffs. It's like them not having climbing safety experts involved in the making of Cliffhanger.
i think thats largely why i assumed films would only use prop guns (not real ones as i have learnt) and blanks, i felt people were too stupid to have real guns and ammo around and for this to mot be more common
A gun that can fire blanks can fire live ammunition. Blanks can kill - they have a minimum safe distance.
Yeah it would get a bit expensy in the military if they needed an whole duplicate blanks weapons armoury for training exercises.
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@kiwiwomble said in Alec Baldwin:
@antipodean as ive said, i was under the impression a prop gun was different to a real gun...hense the use of the name prop gun rather than...gun
of course they can still kill, as i have read about, but no projectile definitely makes the minimum safe distance smaller
Perhaps I wasn't clear. In order to fire blanks they need real firearms. Even blanks can kill. There is definitely a safe distance to ammunition, live or blank. Blank ammunition doesn't go very far.
