Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour
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@mn5 said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
@sparky said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
@mn5 It's a shame Georgia or Romania haven't been given a chance in the 6 Nations at least one year. Guaranteed 6 Nations Rugby is not helping Italian Rugby to progress. Promotion and relegation between two European 6 Nations champions the way to go IMHO.
Absolutely. Italy are fucken shite. The much vaunted Sergio Parisse played 142 tests AND LOST 106 OF THOSE !!!!!!
I can see Georgia or Romania knocking off more of the Five Nations teams than they ever did.
Except they don't
Italy and everyone else beats them
Nice story though
@mikethesnow said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
@mn5 said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
@sparky said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
@mn5 It's a shame Georgia or Romania haven't been given a chance in the 6 Nations at least one year. Guaranteed 6 Nations Rugby is not helping Italian Rugby to progress. Promotion and relegation between two European 6 Nations champions the way to go IMHO.
Absolutely. Italy are fucken shite. The much vaunted Sergio Parisse played 142 tests AND LOST 106 OF THOSE !!!!!!
I can see Georgia or Romania knocking off more of the Five Nations teams than they ever did.
Except they don't
Italy and everyone else beats them
Nice story though
I don’t follow the minnows so I just assumed
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@cgrant said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
Considering Retallick's injury, Whitelock should be kept in cottonwool before the Irish and French tests. I'd go with :
MacKenzie
Reece
Ennor
Havili
Bridge
Mo'unga
Christie
Sotutu
Cane (capt)
Jacobson
Vaai'i
Lord
Ofa T / Lomax
Coles
BowerSub :
Aumua
Karl T
Ofa T / Lomax
Frizzel
Ioane (Jacobson to 7 if Cane cannot make the 80)
Weber
Tupaea
Jordan (DMac to 1st Five if Mo'unga has to be replaced)has De Groot left? If still avail, I'd have him there..Ofa T to ride the pine..
@nostrildamus said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
@cgrant said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
Considering Retallick's injury, Whitelock should be kept in cottonwool before the Irish and French tests. I'd go with :
MacKenzie
Reece
Ennor
Havili
Bridge
Mo'unga
Christie
Sotutu
Cane (capt)
Jacobson
Vaai'i
Lord
Ofa T / Lomax
Coles
BowerSub :
Aumua
Karl T
Ofa T / Lomax
Frizzel
Ioane (Jacobson to 7 if Cane cannot make the 80)
Weber
Tupaea
Jordan (DMac to 1st Five if Mo'unga has to be replaced)has De Groot left? If still avail, I'd have him there..Ofa T to ride the pine..
Mine:
MacKenzie
Reece
Ennor
Havili
Bridge
Mo'unga
Christie
Sotutu
Cane (capt)
Frizzel
Vaai'i
Whitelock
Ofa T / Lomax
Coles
Moody/Karl/Bower (Do first two want game time?)Sub :
Aumua
Bower/De Groot
Ofa T / Lomax
Lord
Jacobson
Weber
Tupaea
Jordan (DMac to 1st Five if Mo'unga has to be replaced -
@cgrant said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
@cliff said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
Tupaea at 12
No, as he will start against Ireland.
Needs a starting job in this one then as a warm up. Havili can be on bench.
Prep and mindset as a starter is different to the bench.
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Ta'avao might be fit for selection too.
We never heard if Ofa was injured or just not selected for the Welsh test.
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Bower
Coles (c)
Ofa T
Lord
Vaa'i
A. Ioane
Jacobson
Sotutu
Christie
Mo'unga
R. Ioane
Tupaea
Ennor
Reece
DMacKarl T
Aumua
Lomax
Frizell
Cane
TJP
Bridge
J. Barrett -
Bower
Coles (c)
Ofa T
Lord
Vaa'i
A. Ioane
Jacobson
Sotutu
Christie
Mo'unga
R. Ioane
Tupaea
Ennor
Reece
DMacKarl T
Aumua
Lomax
Frizell
Cane
TJP
Bridge
J. Barrett -
@sparky I'd rather start Cane - he needs game time. I'd probably run Akira off the bench again - I think the impact sub role could suit him so i'd give him another crack at it.
@kiwimurph I am really not sure Cane is fit to start. I think all we will get out of him in 2021 is as impact sub. Of course, the coaches will be in a much better position to assess his match fitness.
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Cane has already said via the media that he won't be available for this game and is aiming for the last two tests.
@stargazer said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
Cane has already said via the media that he won't be available for this game and is aiming for the last two tests.
Really, that's not what it sounded like to me
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@stargazer said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
Cane has already said via the media that he won't be available for this game and is aiming for the last two tests.
Really, that's not what it sounded like to me
From an article on Stuff of 26 October 2021:
Cane, on Tuesday (NZT) from Cardiff, revealed a planned timeline between he and coach Ian Foster that has him regrouping following his return to test footy via a half-hour off the bench in the 104-14 romp over the USA in Washington DC at the weekend.
By his own admission, Cane is still not ready for a full-blown test against a tier-1 nation, such as this weekend’s clash against Wales at a sold-out Principality Stadium in Cardiff, after a six-month rehabilitation from shoulder surgery to repair a pectoral muscle tear.
But he hopes the next fortnight will nudge him close enough for the selectors to at least have something to think about ahead of that brutal finish against Ireland in Dublin (November 13) and France in Paris (November 20). -
From an article on Stuff of 26 October 2021:
Cane, on Tuesday (NZT) from Cardiff, revealed a planned timeline between he and coach Ian Foster that has him regrouping following his return to test footy via a half-hour off the bench in the 104-14 romp over the USA in Washington DC at the weekend.
By his own admission, Cane is still not ready for a full-blown test against a tier-1 nation, such as this weekend’s clash against Wales at a sold-out Principality Stadium in Cardiff, after a six-month rehabilitation from shoulder surgery to repair a pectoral muscle tear.
But he hopes the next fortnight will nudge him close enough for the selectors to at least have something to think about ahead of that brutal finish against Ireland in Dublin (November 13) and France in Paris (November 20).@stargazer Italy is not a full blown test, imo. I read that, and it is not his actual words but reporter paraphrasing, that he hopes too be up to speed enough to start one of those big tests. To do that he needs some game time, Italy ideal for that
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Cane has already said via the media that he won't be available for this game and is aiming for the last two tests.
@stargazer said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
Cane has already said via the media that he won't be available for this game and is aiming for the last two tests.
Imo putting cane against either France or Ireland is asking for trouble. He should accept this season is over and aim to get his place back in 2022. Don’t mind if he trots out against Italy though.
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@bovidae said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
The Breakdown crew all expect Cane to be the captain in this test.
I'd tend to agree. Ardie and Sam will both be having a rest and there is no need to play Taylor as well. Someone has to be captain and I don't think it will be Coles.
