Scotland v Australia 2021
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Anyway, fuck it. On to England - the expectations for the tour were a bit lower with Kerevi and Quade gone, but we're now firm underdogs at Twickers.
@nta said in Scotland v Australia 2021:
Anyway, fuck it. On to England - the expectations for the tour were a bit lower with Kerevi and Quade gone, but we're now firm underdogs at Twickers.
Oz are good enough to bounce back after yet another loss to their bogey team
Scots on the other hand will DEFINITELY drop one of the next two games, I’m picking against SA. No way can they beat two Southern hemisphere heavyweights in a row.
I’m picking a plucky loss there but victory over the brave blossoms or whatever the Japanese team are called…..
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@crucial having not seen the game - was it a call from an AR or the TMO or something?
Because they weren't doing their fucking job on the Scots first try if they were watching that closely.
@nta said in Scotland v Australia 2021:
@crucial having not seen the game - was it a call from an AR or the TMO or something?
Because they weren't doing their fucking job on the Scots first try if they were watching that closely.
I only watched some highlights but in the non try it seemed to be a TMO callback for review. For the Scots first try it was reviewed from a number of angles and cleared. I couldn't see a problem. It was a canny move that shifted to point of the maul as the aussies formed it not after.
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@crucial having not seen the game - was it a call from an AR or the TMO or something?
Because they weren't doing their fucking job on the Scots first try if they were watching that closely.
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@nta Yeah based on the brief highlight i saw it looked like that pod was pre-bound and seemed to be clear as day too. But then I'm not across the nuances of the maul.
@derpus my issues with it on a couple of viewings:
- ball was transferred prior to maul forming
- pod moved forward prior to maul forming
- Watson was not bound to the ball carrier when he received the ball.
If he'd done a proper hit and rip it might be a little more foggy, but that is objectively illegal on any one of those issues.
Sometimes we forget "bound" means the shoulder, not the hand.
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@nta “ Congratulations on a great International career Romain”
Fake news
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@nta “ Congratulations on a great International career Romain”
Fake news
@act-crusader said in Scotland v Australia 2021:
@nta “ Congratulations on a great (that it's over) International career Romain”
Fake news
FIFY.
But really, fucking hard job, so much easier in the days of shitty SD TV feeds
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Try ruled out. Terrible decision by the TMO. Very minimal contact with the face and the guy shouldn't have been lying there trying to kill the ball. Scots milked it too.
@sparky said in Scotland v Australia 2021:
Try ruled out. Terrible decision by the TMO. Very minimal contact with the face and the guy shouldn't have been lying there trying to kill the ball. Scots milked it too.
Watching the replay and saw this. Totally agree that it didn't warrant a card because the contact was marginal. Also noticed that Hooper crawled to the try line, so the try should have been ruled out anyway.
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gee that first Scot try is very dodgy. Looks for all money like the ball is transferred back well before any contact.
If the refs had a better angle then all good, but that replay looks like obstruction.
@mariner4life said in Scotland v Australia 2021:
gee that first Scot try is very dodgy. Looks for all money like the ball is transferred back well before any contact.
If the refs had a better angle then all good, but that replay looks like obstruction.
It's a confusing one but which part do you think is obstruction?
As I see it the ball is transferred from the catcher in a different pod so the new group doesn't join back - no obstruction.
The new group takes the ball with the leading man and (probably) doesn't shift it back until contact forms a maul. - no obstruction.
However I thought there was now a law banning pre-binding? That group was set up to drive before catching the ball it looks like. -
@mariner4life said in Scotland v Australia 2021:
gee that first Scot try is very dodgy. Looks for all money like the ball is transferred back well before any contact.
If the refs had a better angle then all good, but that replay looks like obstruction.
It's a confusing one but which part do you think is obstruction?
As I see it the ball is transferred from the catcher in a different pod so the new group doesn't join back - no obstruction.
The new group takes the ball with the leading man and (probably) doesn't shift it back until contact forms a maul. - no obstruction.
However I thought there was now a law banning pre-binding? That group was set up to drive before catching the ball it looks like.@crucial said in Scotland v Australia 2021:
(probably) doesn't shift it back until contact forms a maul. - no obstruction.
this bit. that ball looks transferred before they even start moving let alone initiate contact
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@crucial said in Scotland v Australia 2021:
(probably) doesn't shift it back until contact forms a maul. - no obstruction.
this bit. that ball looks transferred before they even start moving let alone initiate contact
@mariner4life said in Scotland v Australia 2021:
@crucial said in Scotland v Australia 2021:
(probably) doesn't shift it back until contact forms a maul. - no obstruction.
this bit. that ball looks transferred before they even start moving let alone initiate contact
Fair enough. I will try and find another clip.
My theory on pre binding is wrong. They were quite careful not to do that. Well rehearsed.
Edit: This clip clearer. Shit I am wrong again. Definitely a pre-bind so that is first penalty, then ball transferred back well before maul is formed so obstruction.
Refs review it and you can vaguely hear them but I think they are watching the end on clip when the first lineout shot shows both fouls clearly.50 seconds in.
This is the sequence as it was reviewed. They believe that 5 kept hands on ball after transferring and didn't let go until contact. Fair enough fro this view 29 minutes in
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@sparky said in Scotland v Australia 2021:
Try ruled out. Terrible decision by the TMO. Very minimal contact with the face and the guy shouldn't have been lying there trying to kill the ball. Scots milked it too.
Watching the replay and saw this. Totally agree that it didn't warrant a card because the contact was marginal. Also noticed that Hooper crawled to the try line, so the try should have been ruled out anyway.
@stargazer said in Scotland v Australia 2021:
@sparky said in Scotland v Australia 2021:
Try ruled out. Terrible decision by the TMO. Very minimal contact with the face and the guy shouldn't have been lying there trying to kill the ball. Scots milked it too.
Watching the replay and saw this. Totally agree that it didn't warrant a card because the contact was marginal. Also noticed that Hooper crawled to the try line, so the try should have been ruled out anyway.
Yep, that looked obvious.
What is the latest law on front row subs? I know that Maloney mentioned it in the commentary and I was thinking the same thing. Rather than move Slipper to TH, where he struggled, why not just opt for the non-contested scrums to avoid any further scrum penalties? In the end Alaalatoa came back on.
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@mariner4life said in Scotland v Australia 2021:
@crucial said in Scotland v Australia 2021:
(probably) doesn't shift it back until contact forms a maul. - no obstruction.
this bit. that ball looks transferred before they even start moving let alone initiate contact
Fair enough. I will try and find another clip.
My theory on pre binding is wrong. They were quite careful not to do that. Well rehearsed.
Edit: This clip clearer. Shit I am wrong again. Definitely a pre-bind so that is first penalty, then ball transferred back well before maul is formed so obstruction.
Refs review it and you can vaguely hear them but I think they are watching the end on clip when the first lineout shot shows both fouls clearly.50 seconds in.
This is the sequence as it was reviewed. They believe that 5 kept hands on ball after transferring and didn't let go until contact. Fair enough fro this view 29 minutes in
@crucial said in Scotland v Australia 2021:
Shit I am wrong again. Definitely a pre-bind so that is first penalty, then ball transferred back well before maul is formed so obstruction.
I think they're was some new interpretations on flying wedge to that end as well.
Anyway it's on the board. At least it is something different from letting mauls restart their forward momentum endlessly...
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@crucial said in Scotland v Australia 2021:
Shit I am wrong again. Definitely a pre-bind so that is first penalty, then ball transferred back well before maul is formed so obstruction.
I think they're was some new interpretations on flying wedge to that end as well.
Anyway it's on the board. At least it is something different from letting mauls restart their forward momentum endlessly...
@nta said in Scotland v Australia 2021:
@crucial said in Scotland v Australia 2021:
Shit I am wrong again. Definitely a pre-bind so that is first penalty, then ball transferred back well before maul is formed so obstruction.
I think they're was some new interpretations on flying wedge to that end as well.
Anyway it's on the board. At least it is something different from letting mauls restart their forward momentum endlessly...
That's what I was meaning. It was meant to stop the tactic of passing to a man with another already locked on to charge forward into contact. To me this is exactly what has happened here.
One of the big failures with the TMO system is that they get fixated on one aspect and forget to look at others.A common one in that regard is low tackles on the try line around the head/neck. Obvious when looking at the whole picture instead of just at the grounding. -
@nta said in Scotland v Australia 2021:
@crucial said in Scotland v Australia 2021:
Shit I am wrong again. Definitely a pre-bind so that is first penalty, then ball transferred back well before maul is formed so obstruction.
I think they're was some new interpretations on flying wedge to that end as well.
Anyway it's on the board. At least it is something different from letting mauls restart their forward momentum endlessly...
That's what I was meaning. It was meant to stop the tactic of passing to a man with another already locked on to charge forward into contact. To me this is exactly what has happened here.
One of the big failures with the TMO system is that they get fixated on one aspect and forget to look at others.A common one in that regard is low tackles on the try line around the head/neck. Obvious when looking at the whole picture instead of just at the grounding.@crucial said in Scotland v Australia 2021:
That's what I was meaning. It was meant to stop the tactic of passing to a man with another already locked on to charge forward into contact. To me this is exactly what has happened here.
Watching Fainga'a hit one of the Scottish props from the side of the pod bears that out.
I'm nearly finished watching the match. Scots were very canny in the scrum and got away with a bit, but Poite got stiff by his AR on the scrum that handed Scotland back the lead. If Bell's bind was "underneath", then so was Fagerson's.
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Overall, as I suspected, we were dumb as fuck at crucial points.
Early offload/flick from Ikitau when we turned them over inside their quarter. Dumb brain from Wright continually to offset his good stuff.
JOC missing touch at the end. In the same position, the Boks would kick to touch - even for 15m - get a maul penalty.
Then kick to touch again, and get a maul penalty. Kick a goal. That's what we're missing in this game.
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Overall, as I suspected, we were dumb as fuck at crucial points.
Early offload/flick from Ikitau when we turned them over inside their quarter. Dumb brain from Wright continually to offset his good stuff.
JOC missing touch at the end. In the same position, the Boks would kick to touch - even for 15m - get a maul penalty.
Then kick to touch again, and get a maul penalty. Kick a goal. That's what we're missing in this game.
@nta said in Scotland v Australia 2021:
Overall, as I suspected, we were dumb as fuck at crucial points.
Early offload/flick from Ikitau when we turned them over inside their quarter. Dumb brain from Wright continually to offset his good stuff.
JOC missing touch at the end. In the same position, the Boks would kick to touch - even for 15m - get a maul penalty.
Then kick to touch again, and get a maul penalty. Kick a goal. That's what we're missing in this game.
Yup that was pretty much how I saw it too. Frustrating to watch. That Ikitau blind offload when the Scots were at 6s and 7s had me head-butting the table
