All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour
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The NZRFU should realise Fozz needs help. If Razor was willing to do it I would install him as the 2IC. It might help us immediately and it will be Razor's lead in to assuming the top job after the WC
@canefan said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
The NZRFU should realise Fozz needs help. If Razor was willing to do it I would install him as the 2IC. It might help us immediately and it will be Razor's lead in to assuming the top job after the WC
Sounds a bit like 1991 though…
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The NZRFU should realise Fozz needs help. If Razor was willing to do it I would install him as the 2IC. It might help us immediately and it will be Razor's lead in to assuming the top job after the WC
@canefan said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
The NZRFU should realise Fozz needs help. If Razor was willing to do it I would install him as the 2IC. It might help us immediately and it will be Razor's lead in to assuming the top job after the WC
Yeah, it's time to get rid of a couple of assistants. McLeod has shown nothing over the last 4 years and the defence is still far too passive. Same goes for Mooar, no innovation whatsoever on attack, it's just so predictable.
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@canefan said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
The NZRFU should realise Fozz needs help. If Razor was willing to do it I would install him as the 2IC. It might help us immediately and it will be Razor's lead in to assuming the top job after the WC
Sounds a bit like 1991 though…
@donsteppa said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@canefan said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
The NZRFU should realise Fozz needs help. If Razor was willing to do it I would install him as the 2IC. It might help us immediately and it will be Razor's lead in to assuming the top job after the WC
Sounds a bit like 1991 though…
Yeah that is the risk. But maybe he can help, certainly can't make it worse. Razor gets a get out of jail free card for it
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Last god knows how many years we have struggled to get enough possession.
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@canefan said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
The NZRFU should realise Fozz needs help. If Razor was willing to do it I would install him as the 2IC. It might help us immediately and it will be Razor's lead in to assuming the top job after the WC
Yeah, it's time to get rid of a couple of assistants. McLeod has shown nothing over the last 4 years and the defence is still far too passive. Same goes for Mooar, no innovation whatsoever on attack, it's just so predictable.
@akan004 said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@canefan said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
The NZRFU should realise Fozz needs help. If Razor was willing to do it I would install him as the 2IC. It might help us immediately and it will be Razor's lead in to assuming the top job after the WC
Yeah, it's time to get rid of a couple of assistants. McLeod has shown nothing over the last 4 years and the defence is still far too passive. Same goes for Mooar, no innovation whatsoever on attack, it's just so predictable.
They certainly aren't a patch on GH-Smith-Hansen. Three guys with test head coaching experience
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@donsteppa said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@canefan said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
The NZRFU should realise Fozz needs help. If Razor was willing to do it I would install him as the 2IC. It might help us immediately and it will be Razor's lead in to assuming the top job after the WC
Sounds a bit like 1991 though…
Yeah that is the risk. But maybe he can help, certainly can't make it worse. Razor gets a get out of jail free card for it
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@canefan doubt he'd want to be tarnished if this keep going the way they are, also makes it better for him coming in at a lower point.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@canefan doubt he'd want to be tarnished if this keep going the way they are, also makes it better for him coming in at a lower point.
Probably. Not that anyone would hold him accountable. We might have to accept that 2019-23 will be a lost period
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So that's three losses in the last five games against Ireland? We really love trying the same shit and hoping for a different result.
@tim said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
So that's three losses in the last five games against Ireland? We really love trying the same shit and hoping for a different result.
Our last win was in the RWC QF? We were amazing up front that day, but those sort of games seem to be the exception not the rule
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Looks like it could be a cracker.
I'd go with
- Moody
- Taylor
- Ofa T
- Retallick
- S. Whitelock (c)
- A. Ioane
- D. Papail'i
- A. Savea
- B. Weber (if fit)
- B. Barrett
- R. Ioane
- D. Havili
- ALB
- W. Jordan
- J. Barrett
- D. Coles
- Karl T
- Laulala
- Vaa' i
- Blackadder
- TJP
- R. Mo'unga
- Tupaea
I hope someone asks Foster if he should resign. A hard hitting question from a journalist. No structure at all. No control in the forwards. Total failure. Notice how our 2nd half try came off front foot ball in the forwards. We have learned nothing but who of us had high hopes for Foster.
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Lowe and JGP are Maori. Not white guys with Irish grannies but Maori, facing the haka and winning. Fucking hilarious. This is the future the NZRU chose with Foster.
@mofitzy_ said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
Lowe and JGP are Maori. Not white guys with Irish grannies but Maori, facing the haka and winning. Fucking hilarious. This is the future the NZRU chose with Foster.
Not sure Foster can take this blame.
Watching them celebrate as hard as they did really tore into me.
It really really hurt.
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I hope someone asks Foster if he should resign. A hard hitting question from a journalist. No structure at all. No control in the forwards. Total failure. Notice how our 2nd half try came off front foot ball in the forwards. We have learned nothing but who of us had high hopes for Foster.
@broughie said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
I hope someone asks Foster if he should resign. A hard hitting question from a journalist. No structure at all. No control in the forwards. Total failure. Notice how our 2nd half try came off front foot ball in the forwards. We have learned nothing but who of us had high hopes for Foster.
NZ Covid journalism doesn’t raise hope.
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People I feel your pain
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I hope someone asks Foster if he should resign. A hard hitting question from a journalist. No structure at all. No control in the forwards. Total failure. Notice how our 2nd half try came off front foot ball in the forwards. We have learned nothing but who of us had high hopes for Foster.
@broughie
According to some posters on here, it isn't his fault. Let's just accept mediocrity and go gently into that goodnight.Players are selected and do what they are told for the most part. Foster has zero success as a head coach. As another poster said, who is chasing him outside NZ? No one, because he is shaite.
Let's go the Aussie route with cricket and League if we are accepting this level of coaching.
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I hope someone asks Foster if he should resign. A hard hitting question from a journalist. No structure at all. No control in the forwards. Total failure. Notice how our 2nd half try came off front foot ball in the forwards. We have learned nothing but who of us had high hopes for Foster.
@broughie said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
I hope someone asks Foster if he should resign. A hard hitting question from a journalist. No structure at all. No control in the forwards. Total failure. Notice how our 2nd half try came off front foot ball in the forwards. We have learned nothing but who of us had high hopes for Foster.
He's waited too long to simply give it away. And the NZRFU gave him the job, they are not in the business of firing coaches early
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@broughie
According to some posters on here, it isn't his fault. Let's just accept mediocrity and go gently into that goodnight.Players are selected and do what they are told for the most part. Foster has zero success as a head coach. As another poster said, who is chasing him outside NZ? No one, because he is shaite.
Let's go the Aussie route with cricket and League if we are accepting this level of coaching.
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I have been forgiving of Foster until now but no more.
This AB coaching setup is fucked.
The reason the ABs defence had to make so many tackles is because the defensive system sucks. The defence scrambles well but it's the same passive shit from McLeod - their defence doesn't put pressure on the opposition and it doesn't turn over the ball enough. So it just means the opposition can just rack up phase after phase.
Taylor plays average all year for the ABs but of course he gets the automatic start despite Samisoni and Coles being both better options.
Very impressive kiwi halfback display - unfortunately he was playing for Ireland.
It's hard to think of many positives. Akira I think is suited to coming off the bench and showed that. Papalii I thought was good (although he doesn't get enough turnovers). Jordie was good. Jordan with a magic play.
Whitelock made the wrong call to take 3 after the Akira try got ruled out in my opinion. Should have gone the try.
Ireland deserved winners.
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I have been forgiving of Foster until now but no more.
This AB coaching setup is fucked.
The reason the ABs defence had to make so many tackles is because the defensive system sucks. The defence scrambles well but it's the same passive shit from McLeod - their defence doesn't put pressure on the opposition and it doesn't turn over the ball enough. So it just means the opposition can just rack up phase after phase.
Taylor plays average all year for the ABs but of course he gets the automatic start despite Samisoni and Coles being both better options.
Very impressive kiwi halfback display - unfortunately he was playing for Ireland.
It's hard to think of many positives. Akira I think is suited to coming off the bench and showed that. Papalii I thought was good (although he doesn't get enough turnovers). Jordie was good. Jordan with a magic play.
Whitelock made the wrong call to take 3 after the Akira try got ruled out in my opinion. Should have gone the try.
Ireland deserved winners.
@kiwimurph it was telling that Ireland turned down several pens and we turned down that opportunity to go for a try. 20/20 in hindsight I know
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All the ritual quibbling about whether this player or that player would have made a difference in the starting line-up or on the bench is a pointless exercise. The truth is that New Zealand rugby has slowly been giving away its intellectual and physical capital to the rest of the rugby world over the last few years.
Ireland was brought to this point over recent years - in part - by Kiwi IP as well as by player imports. Four of 23 players in today’s game were New Zealanders. This influence of the Kiwi coaching and playing diaspora is also evident in many other international sides, so much so that it is now clear that the brain and brawn drain overseas, itself a legacy of a golden era for the All Blacks, is starting to tell.
Now, under private equity ownership, New Zealand rugby is about to cannibalise itself further, devaluing the brand with money-raising farces like the US and Welsh B matches. The rugby hierarchy there must, surely, now accept that some of the best brains and talent is outside the country and will have to be imported. Instead, a self-satisfied NZR made the cardinal error of not going for renewal after the last World Cup. The lack of fresh ideas against rush defence is the result.
I wonder, also, whether the disruptions from COVID have had an impact, leading to lopsided results against second and third tier countries (Fiji, Tonga, USA) and too many games against Australia, where the code is dying a slow and painful death. The consequence has been atrophy in the forwards, particularly the tight five.
Yet the coaching brains trust has been reminded now on several occasions since the ABs were outmuscled by England at the World Cup of this danger and have been unable to respond. They’ve lost to Ireland now three times in recent years, after not losing in a century before that. They’ve lost to Argentina for the first time in history. And they’ve been exposed by South Africa. Yet, there is still no effective response to the rush defence; still no consistency in selections; still no sign of a Plan B.
On the playing side, yes there is a much discussed lack of an effective inside centre, a quality inheritor to Aaron Smith at halfback, an established dominant blindside, a new generation of locks. But personnel really isn’t the major problem here. The Kiwis playing for Ireland, after all, were all Super Rugby cast-offs, yet they outshone their opposites - particularly James Lowe against Sevu Reece and Gibson-Park against TJP.
It is now plainly evident that the problem for the All Blacks is in the coaching and management set-up. We’ve had two years of tinkering and moving the deck chairs since the Yokohama debacle. It is very hard not to conclude that without a change of coach, this ship is going down.
