All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour
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At least with Bridge starting, he will set a target for the forwards. Likely only a few metres away after receiving the ball.
Reece was too frantic last week and made too many errors. If Ioane is to be used as a centre in the future then Clarke or Fainga'anuku need to be on the left wing.
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@bones said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@bovidae said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@pakman said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Against Cyril Baille you want your best scrummager starting. It isn’t Lomax.
I've been one of most vocal supporters of Laulala, mainly for his scrummaging ability. I am certainly not suggesting Lomax starts, but Tu'ungafasi if he is dropped. In reality I expect Laulala will be retained, but his time in black must be coming to an end because of his lack of impact around the field.
Much like Franks before him, I tend to query just how good a scrummager he is. Does he never, ever, ever get penalised or FK'd? Does he absolutely dominate, or is he just mostly reliable on our own ball, but like Franks, prone to giving away the occasional penalty?
I don't disagree with you, but my comment about Laulala's scrummaging is relative to the alternatives. Ofa gets penalised regularly, as a comparison.
None of the AB props offer much around the field, which starts at SR level.
@bovidae Tu'ungafasi has been a lot better than other AB props in terms of ball carrying, dominant tackling, and pace around the field - reasons why he has been the "super sub" for a long time. Still gives away at least one offside or ruck penalty each game though. We have missed his impact this year.
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@bovidae Tu'ungafasi has been a lot better than other AB props in terms of ball carrying, dominant tackling, and pace around the field - reasons why he has been the "super sub" for a long time. Still gives away at least one offside or ruck penalty each game though. We have missed his impact this year.
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@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@junior said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
To be honest, I would completely understand if he came in now or very close to the RWC and basically went all Cantablacks (with a few key plug ins) in order to try and blag a RWC Rassie style.
Sounds like a Crusaders supporter's wet dream
@junior said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@junior said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
To be honest, I would completely understand if he came in now or very close to the RWC and basically went all Cantablacks (with a few key plug ins) in order to try and blag a RWC Rassie style.
Sounds like a Crusaders supporter's wet dream
Sounds like success to me,But just a bitter comment really.
Bring on Razor and dump the little fat wombat . -
@sparky said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Why on earth has that clown Foster dropped Papali'i?
French by 10-14.
I love me some Dalton, but I can understand the switch. Paps has had a great year- Sam's coming back from injury, but is one hell of a solid player. Rest is a real consideration, particularly for people with a heavy workload. 5 tests in consecutive weeks means rotation.
@KiwiMurph I think the only reason they haven't figured it out is the presumption that Ardie has to be in there. That starts to drive other decisions - height, offense/defense, etc.
@nzzp said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@sparky said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Why on earth has that clown Foster dropped Papali'i?
French by 10-14.
I love me some Dalton, but I can understand the switch. Paps has had a great year- Sam's coming back from injury, but is one hell of a solid player. Rest is a real consideration, particularly for people with a heavy workload. 5 tests in consecutive weeks means rotation.
@KiwiMurph I think the only reason they haven't figured it out is the presumption that Ardie has to be in there. That starts to drive other decisions - height, offense/defense, etc.
Would this be the first time our 8 is the smallest of the loose trio? (IMaybe Ardie is slightly taller than Sam C but it would be close).
The team must really rate Shannon and no brainer to see the pace and power of Bridge return on the wing. -
@bovidae I dont think he looks as comfortable on the left wing.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@bovidae I dont think he looks as comfortable on the left wing.
Bridge? me either, ive said before im not sure why we're playing a full back type wing on the left when we've had decades of success with either a power winger (lomu, savea, ioane) or a flyer (roko)...we've always tending to play the fullback type at 14
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@tim said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@bovidae That's what I meant. He's had almost no game time due to recovery time.
It's time for Ofa to be the starting AB TH but his role at the Blues will likely remain as the impact sub.
@bovidae said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@tim said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@bovidae That's what I meant. He's had almost no game time due to recovery time.
It's time for Ofa to be the starting AB TH but his role at the Blues will likely remain as the impact sub.
Bring on Ofa at half-time.
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@sparky said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Why on earth has that clown Foster dropped Papali'i?
French by 10-14.
I love me some Dalton, but I can understand the switch. Paps has had a great year- Sam's coming back from injury, but is one hell of a solid player. Rest is a real consideration, particularly for people with a heavy workload. 5 tests in consecutive weeks means rotation.
@KiwiMurph I think the only reason they haven't figured it out is the presumption that Ardie has to be in there. That starts to drive other decisions - height, offense/defense, etc.
@nzzp said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@sparky said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Why on earth has that clown Foster dropped Papali'i?
French by 10-14.
I love me some Dalton, but I can understand the switch. Paps has had a great year- Sam's coming back from injury, but is one hell of a solid player. Rest is a real consideration, particularly for people with a heavy workload. 5 tests in consecutive weeks means rotation.
@KiwiMurph I think the only reason they haven't figured it out is the presumption that Ardie has to be in there. That starts to drive other decisions - height, offense/defense, etc.
Ardie seemed mostly well contained against the Irish, I wonder if he suffered an injury or they buried him in the rucks?
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@bovidae I dont think he looks as comfortable on the left wing.
Bridge? me either, ive said before im not sure why we're playing a full back type wing on the left when we've had decades of success with either a power winger (lomu, savea, ioane) or a flyer (roko)...we've always tending to play the fullback type at 14
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Gonna be a tough watch when Fizzell gets on the field. I'm all for second chances but his selection with no stand down is hard to take. Really disappointing imo.
@toddy said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Gonna be a tough watch when Fizzell gets on the field. I'm all for second chances but his selection with no stand down is hard to take. Really disappointing imo.
I agree with you, esp that Foster comment that Shannon is "family".
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@kiwiwomble I was talking Reece.
@taniwharugby oh, ok then, i thought reece did against fiji....but much less so on the weekend
point stand re bridge, he just quite a different player compared to our other left wing options...but we try and play the same
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@taniwharugby oh, ok then, i thought reece did against fiji....but much less so on the weekend
point stand re bridge, he just quite a different player compared to our other left wing options...but we try and play the same
@kiwiwomble I think all round our backs just arent firing, we have often had a 2 or 3 bigger guys in our backs, whereas now, we are largely a smaller back division and dont have players to attract defence (as a runner or decoy)
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@victor-meldrew true, but the basics for a good 9 is a good passing game, good kicking game, good defender, good organiser...Aaron is exceptional at 2 aspects of those skills, very good at another and pretty good at the other.
For me they would be ranked in this order:
1 Passing game
2 Organising
3 Kicking
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@victor-meldrew true, but the basics for a good 9 is a good passing game, good kicking game, good defender, good organiser...Aaron is exceptional at 2 aspects of those skills, very good at another and pretty good at the other.
For me they would be ranked in this order:
1 Passing game
2 Organising
3 Kicking
4 defendingCan't disagree with any of that and Christie & Webber to me are way ahead of TJP on 1-3. Been impressed with Christie and he doesn't look out of place at Test level albeit he hasn't ben tested against top tier nations. Both way behind Nugget, but we need to give them way more game time.
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The whole season has gone and still no closer to figuring out the ABs best loose forward mix and midfield combo.
@kiwimurph I think the changing up of the lineup was inevitable with the structure of our season. 5 on the trot and then a short break and another 5 on the trot. Pretty unique when we don’t have a massive squad.
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At least with Bridge starting, he will set a target for the forwards. Likely only a few metres away after receiving the ball.
Reece was too frantic last week and made too many errors. If Ioane is to be used as a centre in the future then Clarke or Fainga'anuku need to be on the left wing.
@bovidae said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
At least with Bridge starting, he will set a target for the forwards. Likely only a few metres away after receiving the ball.
After last week's performance, I'm not sure that's a bad thing - we might actually retain more ball
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@victor-meldrew true, but the basics for a good 9 is a good passing game, good kicking game, good defender, good organiser...Aaron is exceptional at 2 aspects of those skills, very good at another and pretty good at the other.
For me they would be ranked in this order:
1 Passing game
2 Organising
3 Kicking
4 defendingCan't disagree with any of that and Christie & Webber to me are way ahead of TJP on 1-3. Been impressed with Christie and he doesn't look out of place at Test level albeit he hasn't ben tested against top tier nations. Both way behind Nugget, but we need to give them way more game time.
@victor-meldrew yeah is always frustrating when they bring guys in, but dont use them, and last week the thinking that TJ could close out the game rather than give Christie a run in a real test environment says it all.
BUt agreed, think Christie has looked upto it at this level and deserved to get out there last week.
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@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@stodders thats where we we get into the pure speculation territory
whats more likely, a coach drills the team in the basics (passing, catching, tackling, which is where we're seeing a lot of deficiencies) and then these professional sportsmen just forget....or the coach is focusing on other aspects of the game (broken play, counter attack) leaving the players to get rusty at the basics
i dont know, both seem a stupid idea but i get the feeling one of the two is happening
I would have thought a professional player good enough to make the ABs would have the basics of tackling, passing and catching pretty much baked in and not need much drilling from an AB coach.
If those skills are rusty, that's down to the coaches at the lower levels and the players themselves. I'm quite sure the likes of Nonu & Smith practised passing in their own time and set their own high standards and I'm sure plenty of todays player are the same.
With respect, you’d be very wrong about that. About 2010 or so I had dinner with some friends and a newly capped AB happened to be there. We talked about him being new to the AB environmental and the difference with what he experienced with his Super franchise. He said the biggest difference was the amount of time they out into the basics - catching, passing, tackling, rucking, pushing in scrums, jumping in lineouts. He said in few short weeks in camp his basic skills had improved massively. Whereas at Super level the skills were almost assumed and a bit of afterthought, something they did as a bit of warmup before working on set piece moves and general patterns.
@junior said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
He said the biggest difference was the amount of time they out into the basics - catching, passing, tackling, rucking, pushing in scrums, jumping in lineouts. He said in few short weeks in camp his basic skills had improved massively. Whereas at Super level the skills were almost assumed and a bit of afterthought, something they did as a bit of warmup before working on set piece moves and general patterns.
Then I'd suggest someone in the NZRFU should be asking bloody hard questions about the quality of coaching at Super Rugby level and how it feeds into and impacts the coaching and performance of the national team.
