Black Caps vs Proteas 2022
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This is the first time since 2012/13 that NZ had not been able to win even one test series in their home season.
I'm not at all confident that we're going to progress any further under Stead, he's too conservative to rock the boat and make any courageous choices, it's been far too much of the same 'old school' approach under him and we're clearly stagnating now and are in need of a different approach.
@kiwi_expat said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
This is the first time since 2012/13 that NZ had not been able to win even one test series in their home season.
I'm not at all confident that we're going to progress any further under Stead, he's too conservative to rock the boat and make any courageous choices, it's been far too much of the same 'old school' approach under him and we're clearly stagnating now and are in need of a different approach.
Drop some of the best players and what are you left with? Depth in New Zealand cricket is puddle deep.
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We still shouldn't have lost the second test so poorly, even without Kane, Rosco, BJ and Boult. We were barely in it. Maybe when in deficit by just 71 we had a show, and then when we had them 5 down in their second dig, but largely we were outclassed which shouldn't happen when we still have Latham, Conway, Nicholls, Southee, Wagner and Jamieson.
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Worth reflecting that for about their final year in the Test side, Taylor and Watling weren't the Taylor and Watling of old with the bat either... so their absence isn't a scoreboard cliff that we've suddenly fallen off in the last few months.
It's hard to believe that the second test was an unchanged side, such was the gulf between the two results.
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@rotated said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
The WTC was gone from the moment we lost at home to Bangladesh on the back of a loss to India. I just don't see us running the table in Pakistan and England even at our best with a depleted batting line up.
The batting was the primary issue in both the losses this home summer, there are no easy fixes there as there just isn't the depth.
But there is no escaping that our bowling attack had opportunities overnight in the second innings to run through the lower order and they bricked it both times. That problem seems solvable, but buggered if I know how.
In respect to our bowlers dont forget although we pulled off a couple of speckies, we also put down a couple of sitters at crucial times even when our bowlers occassionally did get it right.. doesnt make it any better either
@bayimports said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@rotated said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
The WTC was gone from the moment we lost at home to Bangladesh on the back of a loss to India. I just don't see us running the table in Pakistan and England even at our best with a depleted batting line up.
The batting was the primary issue in both the losses this home summer, there are no easy fixes there as there just isn't the depth.
But there is no escaping that our bowling attack had opportunities overnight in the second innings to run through the lower order and they bricked it both times. That problem seems solvable, but buggered if I know how.
In respect to our bowlers dont forget although we pulled off a couple of speckies, we also put down a couple of sitters at crucial times even when our bowlers occassionally did get it right.. doesnt make it any better either
Wags was unlucky at the Mount with no balls, DRS and catches the rest looked awful until Boult found his groove with the third new ball.
They started Day 3 against the Bangles at 175/2 after 67 overs? How does it get to 361/3 after 140 overs?
All the bowlers fresh, a new ball due in 13 overs, two batsman occupying the crease but struggling to score. Almost the perfect set up.
The Day 4 set up here was a bit different but similarly dissapointing.
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@bayimports said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@rotated said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
The WTC was gone from the moment we lost at home to Bangladesh on the back of a loss to India. I just don't see us running the table in Pakistan and England even at our best with a depleted batting line up.
The batting was the primary issue in both the losses this home summer, there are no easy fixes there as there just isn't the depth.
But there is no escaping that our bowling attack had opportunities overnight in the second innings to run through the lower order and they bricked it both times. That problem seems solvable, but buggered if I know how.
In respect to our bowlers dont forget although we pulled off a couple of speckies, we also put down a couple of sitters at crucial times even when our bowlers occassionally did get it right.. doesnt make it any better either
Wags was unlucky at the Mount with no balls, DRS and catches the rest looked awful until Boult found his groove with the third new ball.
They started Day 3 against the Bangles at 175/2 after 67 overs? How does it get to 361/3 after 140 overs?
All the bowlers fresh, a new ball due in 13 overs, two batsman occupying the crease but struggling to score. Almost the perfect set up.
The Day 4 set up here was a bit different but similarly dissapointing.
@rotated said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@bayimports said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@rotated said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
The WTC was gone from the moment we lost at home to Bangladesh on the back of a loss to India. I just don't see us running the table in Pakistan and England even at our best with a depleted batting line up.
The batting was the primary issue in both the losses this home summer, there are no easy fixes there as there just isn't the depth.
But there is no escaping that our bowling attack had opportunities overnight in the second innings to run through the lower order and they bricked it both times. That problem seems solvable, but buggered if I know how.
In respect to our bowlers dont forget although we pulled off a couple of speckies, we also put down a couple of sitters at crucial times even when our bowlers occassionally did get it right.. doesnt make it any better either
Wags was unlucky at the Mount with no balls, DRS and catches the rest looked awful until Boult found his groove with the third new ball.
They started Day 3 against the Bangles at 175/2 after 67 overs? How does it get to 361/3 after 140 overs?
All the bowlers fresh, a new ball due in 13 overs, two batsman occupying the crease but struggling to score. Almost the perfect set up.
The Day 4 set up here was a bit different but similarly dissapointing.
absolutely, I actually had Wags in mind both test series with my comments, entirely agree with you though our bowlers were in general disappointing given the reputation that proceeded them
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Series drawn 1-1.
Seriously, what is the fucken point, even a one off test has more riding on it ! Would it kill us to have an extra test against both our foes so far this year ?
We should get awarded the series though since we wasted them way more in our victory than they did with their victory.
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
Series drawn 1-1.
Seriously, what is the fucken point, even a one off test has more riding on it ! Would it kill us to have an extra test against both our foes so far this year ?
We should get awarded the series though since we wasted them way more in our victory than they did with their victory.
You can't really play a proper test series unless you play at least 3 tests.
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Interesting to see some of the excuses/reasons appearing on social media for the 2-2 summer (mainly Williamson, plus Boult for the SA series). It's not like Bangladesh toured here with Shakib al-Hasan, or the South Africans were at full strength and with no recent retirements themselves...
@donsteppa said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
Interesting to see some of the excuses/reasons appearing on social media for the 2-2 summer (mainly Williamson, plus Boult for the SA series).
Yeah that's nonsense... with those two missing we still had the talent there to do the job, no excuse for those couple of shockers.
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Worth reflecting that for about their final year in the Test side, Taylor and Watling weren't the Taylor and Watling of old with the bat either... so their absence isn't a scoreboard cliff that we've suddenly fallen off in the last few months.
It's hard to believe that the second test was an unchanged side, such was the gulf between the two results.
@donsteppa said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
Worth reflecting that for about their final year in the Test side, Taylor and Watling weren't the Taylor and Watling of old with the bat either... so their absence isn't a scoreboard cliff that we've suddenly fallen off in the last few months.
It's hard to believe that the second test was an unchanged side, such was the gulf between the two results.
Cricket is such a mental game though, and having those two in the side would have helped the younger players alot
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just looked at the batting records for teh summer
sick reading
in teh top 7, only Conway could be considered a consistent run scorer. 6 innings, two hundred and a 90 (plus the ever-excellent 30-odd)
Basically everyone else has one good knock and a bunch of shit. like, really bad, single figure, averaging 7 shit.No wonder we have taken 3 absolute batterings this summer.
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just looked at the batting records for teh summer
sick reading
in teh top 7, only Conway could be considered a consistent run scorer. 6 innings, two hundred and a 90 (plus the ever-excellent 30-odd)
Basically everyone else has one good knock and a bunch of shit. like, really bad, single figure, averaging 7 shit.No wonder we have taken 3 absolute batterings this summer.
@mariner4life said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
just looked at the batting records for teh summer
sick reading
in teh top 7, only Conway could be considered a consistent run scorer. 6 innings, two hundred and a 90 (plus the ever-excellent 30-odd)
Basically everyone else has one good knock and a bunch of shit. like, really bad, single figure, averaging 7 shit.No wonder we have taken 3 absolute batterings this summer.
Those figures take me back…..the fern would have been great fun in the mid 90s when Dipak Patel batted in the top order and Willie Watson and Richard De Groen spearheaded the pace “attack”.
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@mariner4life said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
just looked at the batting records for teh summer
sick reading
in teh top 7, only Conway could be considered a consistent run scorer. 6 innings, two hundred and a 90 (plus the ever-excellent 30-odd)
Basically everyone else has one good knock and a bunch of shit. like, really bad, single figure, averaging 7 shit.No wonder we have taken 3 absolute batterings this summer.
Those figures take me back…..the fern would have been great fun in the mid 90s when Dipak Patel batted in the top order and Willie Watson and Richard De Groen spearheaded the pace “attack”.
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@mariner4life said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
just looked at the batting records for teh summer
sick reading
in teh top 7, only Conway could be considered a consistent run scorer. 6 innings, two hundred and a 90 (plus the ever-excellent 30-odd)
Basically everyone else has one good knock and a bunch of shit. like, really bad, single figure, averaging 7 shit.No wonder we have taken 3 absolute batterings this summer.
Those figures take me back…..the fern would have been great fun in the mid 90s when Dipak Patel batted in the top order and Willie Watson and Richard De Groen spearheaded the pace “attack”.
Don't forget the glory days of Murphy Sua!!!
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@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@mariner4life said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
just looked at the batting records for teh summer
sick reading
in teh top 7, only Conway could be considered a consistent run scorer. 6 innings, two hundred and a 90 (plus the ever-excellent 30-odd)
Basically everyone else has one good knock and a bunch of shit. like, really bad, single figure, averaging 7 shit.No wonder we have taken 3 absolute batterings this summer.
Those figures take me back…..the fern would have been great fun in the mid 90s when Dipak Patel batted in the top order and Willie Watson and Richard De Groen spearheaded the pace “attack”.
Don't forget the glory days of Murphy Sua!!!
@canefan said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@mariner4life said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
just looked at the batting records for teh summer
sick reading
in teh top 7, only Conway could be considered a consistent run scorer. 6 innings, two hundred and a 90 (plus the ever-excellent 30-odd)
Basically everyone else has one good knock and a bunch of shit. like, really bad, single figure, averaging 7 shit.No wonder we have taken 3 absolute batterings this summer.
Those figures take me back…..the fern would have been great fun in the mid 90s when Dipak Patel batted in the top order and Willie Watson and Richard De Groen spearheaded the pace “attack”.
Don't forget the glory days of Murphy Sua!!!
Still way better than Robert Kennedy
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@canefan said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@mariner4life said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
just looked at the batting records for teh summer
sick reading
in teh top 7, only Conway could be considered a consistent run scorer. 6 innings, two hundred and a 90 (plus the ever-excellent 30-odd)
Basically everyone else has one good knock and a bunch of shit. like, really bad, single figure, averaging 7 shit.No wonder we have taken 3 absolute batterings this summer.
Those figures take me back…..the fern would have been great fun in the mid 90s when Dipak Patel batted in the top order and Willie Watson and Richard De Groen spearheaded the pace “attack”.
Don't forget the glory days of Murphy Sua!!!
Still way better than Robert Kennedy
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@canefan said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@mariner4life said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
just looked at the batting records for teh summer
sick reading
in teh top 7, only Conway could be considered a consistent run scorer. 6 innings, two hundred and a 90 (plus the ever-excellent 30-odd)
Basically everyone else has one good knock and a bunch of shit. like, really bad, single figure, averaging 7 shit.No wonder we have taken 3 absolute batterings this summer.
Those figures take me back…..the fern would have been great fun in the mid 90s when Dipak Patel batted in the top order and Willie Watson and Richard De Groen spearheaded the pace “attack”.
Don't forget the glory days of Murphy Sua!!!
Still way better than Robert Kennedy
Heath Davis?
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@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@canefan said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@mariner4life said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
just looked at the batting records for teh summer
sick reading
in teh top 7, only Conway could be considered a consistent run scorer. 6 innings, two hundred and a 90 (plus the ever-excellent 30-odd)
Basically everyone else has one good knock and a bunch of shit. like, really bad, single figure, averaging 7 shit.No wonder we have taken 3 absolute batterings this summer.
Those figures take me back…..the fern would have been great fun in the mid 90s when Dipak Patel batted in the top order and Willie Watson and Richard De Groen spearheaded the pace “attack”.
Don't forget the glory days of Murphy Sua!!!
Still way better than Robert Kennedy
Heath Davis?
@bayimports At least Heath Davis had a bit a pace to his somewhat wayward bowling. 17 test wickets @ 29.35 from his five tests for those interested.
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@bayimports At least Heath Davis had a bit a pace to his somewhat wayward bowling. 17 test wickets @ 29.35 from his five tests for those interested.
@higgins said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@bayimports At least Heath Davis had a bit a pace to his somewhat wayward bowling.
Good point…although was a terrible era in general
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@canefan said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@mariner4life said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
just looked at the batting records for teh summer
sick reading
in teh top 7, only Conway could be considered a consistent run scorer. 6 innings, two hundred and a 90 (plus the ever-excellent 30-odd)
Basically everyone else has one good knock and a bunch of shit. like, really bad, single figure, averaging 7 shit.No wonder we have taken 3 absolute batterings this summer.
Those figures take me back…..the fern would have been great fun in the mid 90s when Dipak Patel batted in the top order and Willie Watson and Richard De Groen spearheaded the pace “attack”.
Don't forget the glory days of Murphy Sua!!!
Still way better than Robert Kennedy
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@canefan said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@mariner4life said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
just looked at the batting records for teh summer
sick reading
in teh top 7, only Conway could be considered a consistent run scorer. 6 innings, two hundred and a 90 (plus the ever-excellent 30-odd)
Basically everyone else has one good knock and a bunch of shit. like, really bad, single figure, averaging 7 shit.No wonder we have taken 3 absolute batterings this summer.
Those figures take me back…..the fern would have been great fun in the mid 90s when Dipak Patel batted in the top order and Willie Watson and Richard De Groen spearheaded the pace “attack”.
Don't forget the glory days of Murphy Sua!!!
Still way better than Robert Kennedy
Sewell, O'Connor, Walmsley, the list carries on
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@bayimports At least Heath Davis had a bit a pace to his somewhat wayward bowling. 17 test wickets @ 29.35 from his five tests for those interested.
@higgins said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@bayimports At least Heath Davis had a bit a pace to his somewhat wayward bowling. 17 test wickets @ 29.35 from his five tests for those interested.
...and seemed to be mad as a chook. Was he the one who bowled a literal pie?
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@higgins said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@bayimports At least Heath Davis had a bit a pace to his somewhat wayward bowling. 17 test wickets @ 29.35 from his five tests for those interested.
...and seemed to be mad as a chook. Was he the one who bowled a literal pie?
@nzzp said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@higgins said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@bayimports At least Heath Davis had a bit a pace to his somewhat wayward bowling. 17 test wickets @ 29.35 from his five tests for those interested.
...and seemed to be mad as a chook. Was he the one who bowled a literal pie?
Yes, after lunch so the story goes.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/3624961/Heath-Davis-looks-on-the-bright-side
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@nzzp said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@higgins said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@bayimports At least Heath Davis had a bit a pace to his somewhat wayward bowling. 17 test wickets @ 29.35 from his five tests for those interested.
...and seemed to be mad as a chook. Was he the one who bowled a literal pie?
Yes, after lunch so the story goes.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/3624961/Heath-Davis-looks-on-the-bright-side
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@nzzp said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@higgins said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@bayimports At least Heath Davis had a bit a pace to his somewhat wayward bowling. 17 test wickets @ 29.35 from his five tests for those interested.
...and seemed to be mad as a chook. Was he the one who bowled a literal pie?
Yes, after lunch so the story goes.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/3624961/Heath-Davis-looks-on-the-bright-side
yeah and this ball was also an absolute ripper
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@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@nzzp said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@higgins said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@bayimports At least Heath Davis had a bit a pace to his somewhat wayward bowling. 17 test wickets @ 29.35 from his five tests for those interested.
...and seemed to be mad as a chook. Was he the one who bowled a literal pie?
Yes, after lunch so the story goes.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/3624961/Heath-Davis-looks-on-the-bright-side
yeah and this ball was also an absolute ripper
@bayimports said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@nzzp said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@higgins said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@bayimports At least Heath Davis had a bit a pace to his somewhat wayward bowling. 17 test wickets @ 29.35 from his five tests for those interested.
...and seemed to be mad as a chook. Was he the one who bowled a literal pie?
Yes, after lunch so the story goes.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/3624961/Heath-Davis-looks-on-the-bright-side
yeah and this ball was also an absolute ripper
I remember that. He was lauded as being a real tearaway. But when he played for the BCs he could barely keep it straight. IIRC that over didn't get much better
