Scotland v England
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@dan54 said in Scotland v England:
Talk about a player trying to make himself look dumb, how could he be a profeesional rugby player and not no a basic rule?
Guess in the heat of the moment, it's an instinctive reaction. A lot of ex-League players do dumb things in Union which are OK in League - Craig Gower & SBW come to mind
@victor-meldrew said in Scotland v England:
@dan54 said in Scotland v England:
Talk about a player trying to make himself look dumb, how could he be a profeesional rugby player and not no a basic rule?
Guess in the heat of the moment, it's an instinctive reaction. A lot of ex-League players do dumb things in Union which are OK in League - Craig Gower & SBW come to mind
Understand that mate, just saying that if a player says he doesn't know the rule about knocking ball into touch is a penalty is probably better to keep it to himself. I actually remember SBW saying he didn't know the law when he gave up PY ,I thought it was a bit dumb not to learn the rules of a game you are getting paid to play.
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@victor-meldrew said in Scotland v England:
@dan54 said in Scotland v England:
Talk about a player trying to make himself look dumb, how could he be a profeesional rugby player and not no a basic rule?
Guess in the heat of the moment, it's an instinctive reaction. A lot of ex-League players do dumb things in Union which are OK in League - Craig Gower & SBW come to mind
Understand that mate, just saying that if a player says he doesn't know the rule about knocking ball into touch is a penalty is probably better to keep it to himself. I actually remember SBW saying he didn't know the law when he gave up PY ,I thought it was a bit dumb not to learn the rules of a game you are getting paid to play.
@dan54 said in Scotland v England:
I actually remember SBW saying he didn't know the law when he gave up PY
Never struck me as the smartest of Rugby players. Always a brain-fart bubbling under the surface.
I thought it was a bit dumb not to learn the rules of a game you are getting paid to play.
I remember a time when the front row were the more intelligent ones - Fitzpatrick, Olo Brown, Brian Moore...
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OK so I’ve rewatched the game in the comfort of home and without the adrenaline surging and I have less of a problem with the PT decision, though I still feel that, given the interference from the Jock it might have had some doubt. However not spitting blood anymore.
A question I’ll throw out though on the first Scotland try. The lineout leading up to it. The ball was seemingly caught by someone not in play, maybe waterboy or whatever. Then a quick-ish lineout. It was certainly called by the comms as a quick throw. Was the lineout formed and had the ball been touched by a non-player? Has that rule been changed?
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OK so I’ve rewatched the game in the comfort of home and without the adrenaline surging and I have less of a problem with the PT decision, though I still feel that, given the interference from the Jock it might have had some doubt. However not spitting blood anymore.
A question I’ll throw out though on the first Scotland try. The lineout leading up to it. The ball was seemingly caught by someone not in play, maybe waterboy or whatever. Then a quick-ish lineout. It was certainly called by the comms as a quick throw. Was the lineout formed and had the ball been touched by a non-player? Has that rule been changed?
@catogrande said in Scotland v England:
OK so I’ve rewatched the game in the comfort of home and without the adrenaline surging and I have less of a problem with the PT decision, though I still feel that, given the interference from the Jock it might have had some doubt. However not spitting blood anymore.
A question I’ll throw out though on the first Scotland try. The lineout leading up to it. The ball was seemingly caught by someone not in play, maybe waterboy or whatever. Then a quick-ish lineout. It was certainly called by the comms as a quick throw. Was the lineout formed and had the ball been touched by a non-player? Has that rule been changed?
Rule hasn't changed. I'll have to go back to see what happened but yes, if the ball is touched by anyone other than the thrower the quick throw can't be taken. AR is meant to watch for that but sometimes they get distracted to something else that is happening
EDIT: just watched and it was a legit lineout. It was quick but as long as the refs decided that numbers were OK then it was a legal and straight throw on the mark. Both teams had formed a lineout and the mark had been made. Caught some people napping but there is no law that says the ref must get everyone else ready. Smart play (something England lacked at times)
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Actually, on that try, two England players rushed Scotland to try and force errors and left too much work for those covering behind them. There was a rush through the lineout at the halfback then Itoje's rush that left a gaping hole to be exploited.
I’ve re-watched the try a few times now and all credit to the Scots, they executed very well. Re the England misalignment, I actually thought Isiekwe was to blame, he didn’t know whether to trust Itoje to shut down Hogg (I think) and then left the gap for a Graham to run through. Itoje not blameless but there should have been sufficient cover behind.
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I’ve re-watched the try a few times now and all credit to the Scots, they executed very well. Re the England misalignment, I actually thought Isiekwe was to blame, he didn’t know whether to trust Itoje to shut down Hogg (I think) and then left the gap for a Graham to run through. Itoje not blameless but there should have been sufficient cover behind.
@catogrande said in Scotland v England:
I’ve re-watched the try a few times now and all credit to the Scots, they executed very well. Re the England misalignment, I actually thought Isiekwe was to blame, he didn’t know whether to trust Itoje to shut down Hogg (I think) and then left the gap for a Graham to run through. Itoje not blameless but there should have been sufficient cover behind.
the work by the winger as the last line was awful as well. Backing up to give yourself time is fine, but then he got his feet fucked up, bit hard on the step, and even though the scot basically fell over he still got beat. It was very average.
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@catogrande said in Scotland v England:
I’ve re-watched the try a few times now and all credit to the Scots, they executed very well. Re the England misalignment, I actually thought Isiekwe was to blame, he didn’t know whether to trust Itoje to shut down Hogg (I think) and then left the gap for a Graham to run through. Itoje not blameless but there should have been sufficient cover behind.
the work by the winger as the last line was awful as well. Backing up to give yourself time is fine, but then he got his feet fucked up, bit hard on the step, and even though the scot basically fell over he still got beat. It was very average.
@mariner4life said in Scotland v England:
@catogrande said in Scotland v England:
I’ve re-watched the try a few times now and all credit to the Scots, they executed very well. Re the England misalignment, I actually thought Isiekwe was to blame, he didn’t know whether to trust Itoje to shut down Hogg (I think) and then left the gap for a Graham to run through. Itoje not blameless but there should have been sufficient cover behind.
the work by the winger as the last line was awful as well. Backing up to give yourself time is fine, but then he got his feet fucked up, bit hard on the step, and even though the scot basically fell over he still got beat. It was very average.
Yeah not a good look. Being one of the brave, strong, noble forwards in my day, the intricacies of back play are not my strong point but I have heard it said that defending at wing is a lot different to defending in the centres. Marchant is a bloody good centre but to me, lacks the pace for a winger and maybe defensively he’s not quite up to the job. The idea of numberless shirts rarely works IMO.
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@mariner4life said in Scotland v England:
@catogrande said in Scotland v England:
I’ve re-watched the try a few times now and all credit to the Scots, they executed very well. Re the England misalignment, I actually thought Isiekwe was to blame, he didn’t know whether to trust Itoje to shut down Hogg (I think) and then left the gap for a Graham to run through. Itoje not blameless but there should have been sufficient cover behind.
the work by the winger as the last line was awful as well. Backing up to give yourself time is fine, but then he got his feet fucked up, bit hard on the step, and even though the scot basically fell over he still got beat. It was very average.
Yeah not a good look. Being one of the brave, strong, noble forwards in my day, the intricacies of back play are not my strong point but I have heard it said that defending at wing is a lot different to defending in the centres. Marchant is a bloody good centre but to me, lacks the pace for a winger and maybe defensively he’s not quite up to the job. The idea of numberless shirts rarely works IMO.
@catogrande said in Scotland v England:
@mariner4life said in Scotland v England:
@catogrande said in Scotland v England:
I’ve re-watched the try a few times now and all credit to the Scots, they executed very well. Re the England misalignment, I actually thought Isiekwe was to blame, he didn’t know whether to trust Itoje to shut down Hogg (I think) and then left the gap for a Graham to run through. Itoje not blameless but there should have been sufficient cover behind.
the work by the winger as the last line was awful as well. Backing up to give yourself time is fine, but then he got his feet fucked up, bit hard on the step, and even though the scot basically fell over he still got beat. It was very average.
Yeah not a good look. Being one of the brave, strong, noble forwards in my day, the intricacies of back play are not my strong point but I have heard it said that defending at wing is a lot different to defending in the centres. Marchant is a bloody good centre but to me, lacks the pace for a winger and maybe defensively he’s not quite up to the job. The idea of numberless shirts rarely works IMO.
It looked like he didn't back his pace if he gave the opposition the sideline.
Never give them 2 options
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@mariner4life said in Scotland v England:
@catogrande said in Scotland v England:
I’ve re-watched the try a few times now and all credit to the Scots, they executed very well. Re the England misalignment, I actually thought Isiekwe was to blame, he didn’t know whether to trust Itoje to shut down Hogg (I think) and then left the gap for a Graham to run through. Itoje not blameless but there should have been sufficient cover behind.
the work by the winger as the last line was awful as well. Backing up to give yourself time is fine, but then he got his feet fucked up, bit hard on the step, and even though the scot basically fell over he still got beat. It was very average.
Yeah not a good look. Being one of the brave, strong, noble forwards in my day, the intricacies of back play are not my strong point but I have heard it said that defending at wing is a lot different to defending in the centres. Marchant is a bloody good centre but to me, lacks the pace for a winger and maybe defensively he’s not quite up to the job. The idea of numberless shirts rarely works IMO.
@catogrande said in Scotland v England:
@mariner4life said in Scotland v England:
@catogrande said in Scotland v England:
I’ve re-watched the try a few times now and all credit to the Scots, they executed very well. Re the England misalignment, I actually thought Isiekwe was to blame, he didn’t know whether to trust Itoje to shut down Hogg (I think) and then left the gap for a Graham to run through. Itoje not blameless but there should have been sufficient cover behind.
the work by the winger as the last line was awful as well. Backing up to give yourself time is fine, but then he got his feet fucked up, bit hard on the step, and even though the scot basically fell over he still got beat. It was very average.
Yeah not a good look. Being one of the brave, strong, noble forwards in my day, the intricacies of back play are not my strong point but I have heard it said that defending at wing is a lot different to defending in the centres. Marchant is a bloody good centre but to me, lacks the pace for a winger and maybe defensively he’s not quite up to the job. The idea of numberless shirts rarely works IMO.
I'm not sure it was a great idea when Eddie was coaching the Wallabies either, I still remember his 2x7s experiment...
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@mariner4life said in Scotland v England:
@pakman said in Scotland v England:
@crucial said in Scotland v England:
@catogrande said in Scotland v England:
@bones said in Scotland v England:
@nzzp I didn't have a problem with it once I saw it and the correct call was made.
4 minutes to set a scrum however....
Nah. Bloke goes up in the air to catch a cross kick, gets it wrong/is slightly impeded and knocks it on. Bollocks to that result. When they were going to the TMO, I thought hang on that's a bit unfair, the Jock was going for the ball and didn't really impact things, this is bullshit and then fuck me it goes the other way. PT and a yellow. That was complete bollocks. Oh and only a penalty five minute later for a dangerous neck roll.
Ben O'Keefe is a poor ref and not helped by his reliance on third officials.
Watch again in a week and your view might be less clouded.
LCD quite obviously played the ball by batting it away. Deliberate knock forward AND deliberately making ball dead. No attempt to catch it at all.As for the neck roll? That was the harsh call but happy to live with it for safety sake if that is a consistent call. I couldn’t see any head/neck contact of consequence myself. More a seatbelt throw. Needs to be discouraged though.
What was he thinking? Lost his bearings? Even just trying to catch it and failing would have only led to try with conversion to goal from wide out. And stayed on field.
i read a quote that said he didn't even know that was a rule
Happens so rarely
@nta said in Scotland v England:
@mariner4life said in Scotland v England:
@pakman said in Scotland v England:
@crucial said in Scotland v England:
@catogrande said in Scotland v England:
@bones said in Scotland v England:
@nzzp I didn't have a problem with it once I saw it and the correct call was made.
4 minutes to set a scrum however....
Nah. Bloke goes up in the air to catch a cross kick, gets it wrong/is slightly impeded and knocks it on. Bollocks to that result. When they were going to the TMO, I thought hang on that's a bit unfair, the Jock was going for the ball and didn't really impact things, this is bullshit and then fuck me it goes the other way. PT and a yellow. That was complete bollocks. Oh and only a penalty five minute later for a dangerous neck roll.
Ben O'Keefe is a poor ref and not helped by his reliance on third officials.
Watch again in a week and your view might be less clouded.
LCD quite obviously played the ball by batting it away. Deliberate knock forward AND deliberately making ball dead. No attempt to catch it at all.As for the neck roll? That was the harsh call but happy to live with it for safety sake if that is a consistent call. I couldn’t see any head/neck contact of consequence myself. More a seatbelt throw. Needs to be discouraged though.
What was he thinking? Lost his bearings? Even just trying to catch it and failing would have only led to try with conversion to goal from wide out. And stayed on field.
i read a quote that said he didn't even know that was a rule
Happens so rarely
SBW behind tryline?
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@nta said in Scotland v England:
@mariner4life said in Scotland v England:
@pakman said in Scotland v England:
@crucial said in Scotland v England:
@catogrande said in Scotland v England:
@bones said in Scotland v England:
@nzzp I didn't have a problem with it once I saw it and the correct call was made.
4 minutes to set a scrum however....
Nah. Bloke goes up in the air to catch a cross kick, gets it wrong/is slightly impeded and knocks it on. Bollocks to that result. When they were going to the TMO, I thought hang on that's a bit unfair, the Jock was going for the ball and didn't really impact things, this is bullshit and then fuck me it goes the other way. PT and a yellow. That was complete bollocks. Oh and only a penalty five minute later for a dangerous neck roll.
Ben O'Keefe is a poor ref and not helped by his reliance on third officials.
Watch again in a week and your view might be less clouded.
LCD quite obviously played the ball by batting it away. Deliberate knock forward AND deliberately making ball dead. No attempt to catch it at all.As for the neck roll? That was the harsh call but happy to live with it for safety sake if that is a consistent call. I couldn’t see any head/neck contact of consequence myself. More a seatbelt throw. Needs to be discouraged though.
What was he thinking? Lost his bearings? Even just trying to catch it and failing would have only led to try with conversion to goal from wide out. And stayed on field.
i read a quote that said he didn't even know that was a rule
Happens so rarely
SBW behind tryline?
