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2022 Black Ferns

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  • StargazerS Stargazer

    What's the meaning of the team names Rawata and Ngalingali?

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    @Stargazer said in 2022 Black Ferns:

    What's the meaning of the team names Rawata and Ngalingali?

    Yeah according to the Maori Dictionary, nothing!

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      Full time score:
      Rawata 59 - 5 Ngalingali

      If an equal contest between both teams is what the coaches wanted, they had their selections wrong. Tough job selecting a World Cup squad based on this game, because I'm sure some players of the Ngalingali team would have been able to show more if they had been on the other team, because they'd have better or more ball.

      I've not looked at individual players to closely (I was multitasking), but if one thing was clear, it was that Victoria Subritzky-Nafatali was way better than Patricia Maliepo. Hazel Tubic was very good, too.

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      • StargazerS Stargazer

        What's the meaning of the team names Rawata and Ngalingali?

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        @Stargazer said in 2022 Black Ferns:

        What's the meaning of the team names Rawata and Ngalingali?

        "Possibles" in Fijian and Tongan.

        The black scrum completely dominated led by Kalounivale. I thought Blackwell looked good on her return. Tubic outstanding. Check out the final touch for Baker's try. I can't see Elder being selected unless she really performs in the FPC.

        I could definitely see a significant improvement in the passing, offloading and support since last year.

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            Hometown refs will be used when NZ and Australia play each other.

            New Zealand v Australia
            Orangetheory Stadium, Christchurch
            Saturday, 20 August, 2022

            Referee: Maggie Cogger-Orr (NZR)
            Assistant Referee 1: Amber McLachlan (RA)
            Assistant Referee 2: Tyler Miller (RA)
            TMO: Lee Jeffrey (NZR)

            Australia v New Zealand
            Adelaide Oval, Adelaide
            Saturday, 27 August, 2022

            Referee: Amber McLachlan (RA)
            Assistant Referee 1: Maggie Cogger-Orr (NZR)
            Assistant Referee 2: Tyler Miller (RA)
            TMO: Lee Jeffrey (NZR)

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              https://twitter.com/BlackFerns/status/1553954842355257346

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                Some of the sevens players return, but not the ones you might expect.

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                Unavailable due to injury: Liana Mikaele-Tu’u, Grace Brooker, Aleisha-Pearl Nelson

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                  That picture is too small for my deteriorating eyes:

                  Black Ferns Squad (in brackets; age, Super Club, Province, Test Caps);

                  Hookers
                  Luka Connor (25, Chiefs, Bay of Plenty, 6)
                  Natalie Delamere (25, Matatū, Bay of Plenty, 1)
                  Georgia Ponsonby (22, Matatū, Canterbury, 5)


                  Props
                  Tanya Kalounivale (23, Chiefs, Waikato, 2)
                  Pip Love (32, Matatū, Canterbury, 17)
                  Krystal Murray (29, Blues, Northland, 3)
                  Amy Rule (22, Matatū, Canterbury, 5)
                  Awhina Tangen-Wainohu (24, Chiefs, Waikato, new cap)
                  Santo Taumata (19, Chiefs, Bay of Plenty, new cap)


                  Locks
                  Chelsea Bremner (27, Matatū, Canterbury, 3)
                  Joanah Ngan Woo (26, Hurricanes, Wellington, 8 )
                  Maiakawanakaulani Roos (21, Blues, Auckland, 6)


                  Loose Forwards
                  Alana Bremner (25, Matatū, Canterbury, 6)
                  Tafito Lafaele (21, Blues, Auckland, 2)
                  Charmaine McMenamin (32, Blues, Auckland, 25)
                  Kaipo Olsen-Baker (19, Hurricanes, Manawatu, 2)
                  Kendra Reynolds (29, Matatū, Bay of Plenty, 3)
                  Kennedy Simon (25, Chiefs, Waikato, 8 )


                  Halfbacks
                  Ariana Bayler (25, Chiefs, Waikato, 4)
                  Kendra Cocksedge (34, Matatū, Canterbury, 60)
                  Arihiana Marino-Tauhinu (30, Chiefs, Counties Manukau, 8 )


                  Inside Backs
                  Sylvia Brunt (18, Auckland, 2)
                  Ruahei Demant (27, Blues, Auckland, 18)
                  Amy du Plessis (23, Matatū, Canterbury, 2)
                  Theresa Fitzpatrick (27, Blues, Auckland, 11)
                  Chelsea Semple (29, Chiefs, Waikato, 28)
                  Victoria Subritzky-Nafatali (30, Otago, 19)
                  Hazel Tubic (31, Chiefs, Counties Manukau, 14)


                  Outside Backs
                  Renee Holmes (22, Matatū, Waikato, 3)
                  Ayesha Leti-I'iga (23, Hurricanes, Wellington, 15)
                  Tyla Nathan-Wong (28, Blues, Northland, new cap)
                  Grace Steinmetz (24, Matatū, Canterbury, 0)
                  Ruby Tui (30, Chiefs, Counties Manukau, 2)

                  Broadcast
                  O’Reilly Cup matches will be broadcast live on Sky.

                  Schedule (times in NZT)
                  Black Ferns vs Australia, Saturday 20 August, 7.05PM, Orangetheory Stadium, CHRISTCHURCH
                  Black Ferns vs Australia, Saturday 27 August, 2.45pm, Adelaide Oval, ADELAIDE

                  https://www.allblacks.com/news/black-ferns-named-for-oreilly-cup-test-series/

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                    Smith and co still seem to be looking at different options in some positions. I'm surprised to see Angel Mulu dropped for the uncapped Taumata. Honestly, I'd drop Love from that group.

                    Les Elder is definitely on the outside looking in.

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                      Smith and co still seem to be looking at different options in some positions. I'm surprised to see Angel Mulu dropped for the uncapped Taumata. Honestly, I'd drop Love from that group.

                      Les Elder is definitely on the outside looking in.

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                      @Bovidae said in 2022 Black Ferns:

                      Smith and co still seem to be looking at different options in some positions. I'm surprised to see Angel Mulu dropped for the uncapped Taumata. Honestly, I'd drop Love from that group.

                      Les Elder is definitely on the outside looking in.

                      Taumata has been massively dominant in FPC and I guess they want to have a good look in camp to see if that can translate up. There is the makings there of a very strong front row.
                      All three hookers are strong with Connor being in great form.

                      I'm curious as to where they see Nathan-Wong fitting. Fullback? She certainly has the skillset for the position and offers a kicking option from the back that may be lacking if they go down the path of Tui and Leti-l'iga on the wings.

                      Midfield is anyones guess with quite a few options and they seem committed to Demant (which I'm not convinced about).

                      Cocksedge the likely first pick 9 but I really like the speed that Marino-Tauhinu can bring to a game.

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                        @Bovidae said in 2022 Black Ferns:

                        Smith and co still seem to be looking at different options in some positions. I'm surprised to see Angel Mulu dropped for the uncapped Taumata. Honestly, I'd drop Love from that group.

                        Les Elder is definitely on the outside looking in.

                        Taumata has been massively dominant in FPC and I guess they want to have a good look in camp to see if that can translate up. There is the makings there of a very strong front row.
                        All three hookers are strong with Connor being in great form.

                        I'm curious as to where they see Nathan-Wong fitting. Fullback? She certainly has the skillset for the position and offers a kicking option from the back that may be lacking if they go down the path of Tui and Leti-l'iga on the wings.

                        Midfield is anyones guess with quite a few options and they seem committed to Demant (which I'm not convinced about).

                        Cocksedge the likely first pick 9 but I really like the speed that Marino-Tauhinu can bring to a game.

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                        @Crucial said in 2022 Black Ferns:

                        Taumata has been massively dominant in FPC and I guess they want to have a good look in camp to see if that can translate up. There is the makings there of a very strong front row.

                        Taumata was in the Chiefs Manawa squad but obviously the junior prop as I don't remember her playing much.

                        From what I have seen the most dominant front row has been the Chiefs front row (Mulu-Connor-Kalounivale). Good to have more depth though.

                        I'm curious as to where they see Nathan-Wong fitting. Fullback?

                        IIRC she played more at fullback for Northland.

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                          Wayne Smith explains the selections.

                          https://www.allblacks.com/news/were-still-searching-far-and-wide-for-our-best-world-cup-team-wayne-smith/

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                            Getting a bit excited for this new look team vs Aus on the weekend. I see from the article below that TN-W (no not Timmy) is available for the first test only, so kind of expect to see her take part.

                            https://www.allblacks.com/news/teenage-dream-close-for-tyla-nathan-wong/

                            also

                            https://www.allblacks.com/news/charmaine-mcmenamin-returns-to-black-ferns/

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                              I expect Smith will mix and match the 23s across both games. I wouldn't start Cocksedge in both tests, for example, as you need to look at the other halfbacks if injury strikes.

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                                I expect Smith will mix and match the 23s across both games. I wouldn't start Cocksedge in both tests, for example, as you need to look at the other halfbacks if injury strikes.

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                                @Bovidae said in 2022 Black Ferns:

                                I expect Smith will mix and match the 23s across both games. I wouldn't start Cocksedge in both tests, for example, as you need to look at the other halfbacks if injury strikes.

                                Marino-Tauhinu looks an exciting prospect at 9. I like the speed she brings.

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                                  @Bovidae said in 2022 Black Ferns:

                                  I expect Smith will mix and match the 23s across both games. I wouldn't start Cocksedge in both tests, for example, as you need to look at the other halfbacks if injury strikes.

                                  Marino-Tauhinu looks an exciting prospect at 9. I like the speed she brings.

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                                  @Crucial Definitely ahead of Cocksedge on form. Although I think backs are doing a lot of kicking practise in BFs camp & trying it heaps in FPC. Cocksedge hasnt quite cracked the execution yet.

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                                    Only just spotted these injury confirmations.

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                                      Great how they have brought in all these experienced coaches and former ABs to help the BFs improve. I think this is all on Smith, who's doing everything he can to turn the BFs into a champions team. Whether it will be enough to win the RWC, I don't know, but at least he's giving them the best possible ammunition to fire.

                                      https://www.instagram.com/p/Chi4FDSsJWk/


                                      Edit: Maybe they should do the same with the ABs after the women's RWC.

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                                        There's one tiny little flaw in the plan (which I'm sure they are aware of)

                                        When NZRU put their money where their mouth was finally a list had to be drawn up of who was going to be paid as a pro rugby player and who wasn't. Kind of a pre-selection before the trialling that has been going on.

                                        This has been a little self-fulfilling in that the players that got paid have been able to apply themselves more and have the best fitness and skills levels. Meanwhile the odd other players has shown more potential or ability but is falling behind in comparison with conditioning.

                                        I think a handful more contracts have been dished out but selection wise for the RWC there is a bit of an uneven playing field.

                                        On the other side of the coin there are a few contracted players earning salaries that have now been put aside.

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                                          https://www.allblacks.com/news/black-ferns-at-eden-park

                                          Black Ferns v Japan

                                          Saturday 24 September, kick off 4.30pm

                                          Eden Park

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