2022 Black Ferns
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@Crucial I decided to do a bit of digging and I was absolute staggered at some of the stuff I was able to dig up and I do find myself feeling incredibly sorry for Glen Moore that his career has been cut off at the knees.
The story needs to start in 2020 Te Kura Ngata Aerengamate played for the Northland FPC team in 2020 , she is the partner of Krystal Murray .
Not entirely sure what happened , but she decided to leave Northland siting that she needed to move to a stronger union were she could work on her fitness and core skills .
However in her time in at Counties Manukau it was rocky , needless to say the Head Coach quit 2 weeks before the season started , stories of TK being disruptive were rife .
Come the time of Black Ferns selection , she rocked up to the first training camp in even worse shape then when she left Northland and her core skills were no better but Moore took a punt on her because she was experienced and she let the management know that fact ..If you think back to the first test against England , her lineout throwing was sub par , missing the mark 5 out of 6 times ..
Just in a side note ,Chelsea Alley was so incensed that she missed the cut for the first test also against England , she packed her bags and threatened to leave ..
To be honest all Moore did was tell a few home truths in a direct forum , for me TK cheated this team with her ethic or lack of it , needless to say the rest of the team would have turned south for her.If you also take into account that both Rubi Tui and Portia Woodman have come in full support for Moore along with a good number of the team , I thought Woodmans coms on the breakdown were on point ,Glen is a very good communicator , his clarity in and around game plans crystal clear .
Both siting he has helped them with their careersI was told by a couple of Black Ferns who played in Moores team that won the World Cup in Ireland , it was his tactical masterpiece that he came up with the idea to take on the English through the middle which was a master stroke and not what the English expected
Moving forward to 2022, TK is currently up in Northland as CM don’t want a bar of her , she is currently trying to get her partner Krystal Murray to quit the game as they have both achieved everything in the game .
I find that attitude appalling , hoping Northland move on from her .
I have also been told there is sense of entitlement that the womens game should have a whole lot of money thrown at , but my answer to that is , at least show some initiative and get your own level of fitness up to standard where you actually have an athlete’s attitude@Steven-Harris yeah, as I have been saying I have sympathy for Moore as he was seemingly doing his job without coordinated support preparing players for a 'professional' environment.
Long term first teamers and ex Sevens players are the ones that, as a whole, can't see what the issues were because they were brought up in pro set ups.
It wasn't just TK but quite a few of the squad that brought up issues with the lack of organisation and communication unless they were in the firsts. That falls on NZR and the people they 'shoulder-tapped' but Moore was dragged down with them.
I think it was clear that a big shake up is/was needed and it is sad that this had to be the way that started it.
There is still a missing piece of the puzzle which is age-grade rep teams that do more than just assemble and play a one-off. They should be the tier below FPC and Super needs to be a bigger thing. -
@Crucial I decided to do a bit of digging and I was absolute staggered at some of the stuff I was able to dig up and I do find myself feeling incredibly sorry for Glen Moore that his career has been cut off at the knees.
The story needs to start in 2020 Te Kura Ngata Aerengamate played for the Northland FPC team in 2020 , she is the partner of Krystal Murray .
Not entirely sure what happened , but she decided to leave Northland siting that she needed to move to a stronger union were she could work on her fitness and core skills .
However in her time in at Counties Manukau it was rocky , needless to say the Head Coach quit 2 weeks before the season started , stories of TK being disruptive were rife .
Come the time of Black Ferns selection , she rocked up to the first training camp in even worse shape then when she left Northland and her core skills were no better but Moore took a punt on her because she was experienced and she let the management know that fact ..If you think back to the first test against England , her lineout throwing was sub par , missing the mark 5 out of 6 times ..
Just in a side note ,Chelsea Alley was so incensed that she missed the cut for the first test also against England , she packed her bags and threatened to leave ..
To be honest all Moore did was tell a few home truths in a direct forum , for me TK cheated this team with her ethic or lack of it , needless to say the rest of the team would have turned south for her.If you also take into account that both Rubi Tui and Portia Woodman have come in full support for Moore along with a good number of the team , I thought Woodmans coms on the breakdown were on point ,Glen is a very good communicator , his clarity in and around game plans crystal clear .
Both siting he has helped them with their careersI was told by a couple of Black Ferns who played in Moores team that won the World Cup in Ireland , it was his tactical masterpiece that he came up with the idea to take on the English through the middle which was a master stroke and not what the English expected
Moving forward to 2022, TK is currently up in Northland as CM don’t want a bar of her , she is currently trying to get her partner Krystal Murray to quit the game as they have both achieved everything in the game .
I find that attitude appalling , hoping Northland move on from her .
I have also been told there is sense of entitlement that the womens game should have a whole lot of money thrown at , but my answer to that is , at least show some initiative and get your own level of fitness up to standard where you actually have an athlete’s attitude@Steven-Harris It looks like she's off to the next province.
This is from the (Wellington focused) club rugby website:
Welcome to Wellington club rugby Te Kura Ngata-Aerengamate, who made her debut on the Norths bench on Saturday, joining her sister and lock Te Amohaere . Te Kura comes from the Counties Manukau Heat and is a recent former Black Ferns hooker. She is with Norths for the rest of the club season and could be in line to play for the Wellington Pride in the Farah Palmer Cup.
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@Steven-Harris It looks like she's off to the next province.
This is from the (Wellington focused) club rugby website:
Welcome to Wellington club rugby Te Kura Ngata-Aerengamate, who made her debut on the Norths bench on Saturday, joining her sister and lock Te Amohaere . Te Kura comes from the Counties Manukau Heat and is a recent former Black Ferns hooker. She is with Norths for the rest of the club season and could be in line to play for the Wellington Pride in the Farah Palmer Cup.
@Stargazer said in 2022 Black Ferns:
@Steven-Harris It looks like she's off to the next province.
This is from the (Wellington focused) club rugby website:
Welcome to Wellington club rugby Te Kura Ngata-Aerengamate, who made her debut on the Norths bench on Saturday, joining her sister and lock Te Amohaere . Te Kura comes from the Counties Manukau Heat and is a recent former Black Ferns hooker. She is with Norths for the rest of the club season and could be in line to play for the Wellington Pride in the Farah Palmer Cup.
Would any team be that interested in her?
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Black Ferns "Pacific Four Series" squad announcement live (from 10.30am, Wed):
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No Les Elder in the squad. Ruahei Demant is the new captain.
Ruby Tui in the sqaud for the first time.
@Stargazer said in 2022 Black Ferns:
No Les Elder in the squad. Ruahei Demant is the new captain.
Smith and co aren't off to a good start then. I don't see Demant as the best option to start at 1st 5 or 2nd 5.
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@Stargazer said in 2022 Black Ferns:
No Les Elder in the squad. Ruahei Demant is the new captain.
Smith and co aren't off to a good start then. I don't see Demant as the best option to start at 1st 5 or 2nd 5.
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@Bovidae I was thinking exactly the same thing. Maybe she's a good leader? :man_shrugging_medium_skin_tone:
@Stargazer said in 2022 Black Ferns:
@Bovidae I was thinking exactly the same thing. Maybe she's a good leader? :man_shrugging_medium_skin_tone:
Is she related to Reed Prinsep?
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Demant was the Blues captain wasn't she? She is a qualified lawyer, and speaks well, but I would have preferred someone who is guaranteed to start. She isn't IMO.
That said, where do they now play her because I don't think she is a recognised goal kicker, as Cocksedge won't play the full 80 mins.
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Media release: https://www.allblacks.com/news/31-strong-black-ferns-squad-named-for-home-june-test-series/
The Black Ferns team is (Age/Super Club/Province/Test caps);Hookers
Luka Connor (25, Chiefs, Bay of Plenty, 4)
Natalie Delamere (25, Matatū, Bay of Plenty, new cap)
Georgia Ponsonby (22, Matatū, Canterbury, 2)
Props
Lucy Anderson (30, Matatū, Canterbury, new cap)
Tanya Kalounivale (23, Chiefs, Waikato, new cap)
Pip Love (32, Matatū, Canterbury, 15)
Angel Mulu (22, Chiefs, Bay of Plenty, new cap)
Krystal Murray (28, Blues, Northland, 1)
Leilani Perese (29, Counties Manukau, 11)
Amy Rule (21, Matatū, Canterbury, 3)
Locks
Chelsea Bremner (27, Matatū, Canterbury, 0)
Joanah Ngan Woo (26, Hurricanes, Wellington, 5)
Maiakawanakaulani Roos (20, Blues, Auckland, 3)
Loose Forwards
Alana Bremner (25, Matatū, Canterbury, 3)
Tafito Lafaele (21, Blues, Auckland, new cap)
Liana Mikaele Tu'u (20, Blues, Auckland, 4)
Kaipo Olsen-Baker (19, Hurricanes, Manawatu, new cap)
Kendra Reynolds (29, Matatū, Bay of Plenty, 1)
Halfbacks
Ariana Bayler (25, Chiefs, Waikato, 4)
Kendra Cocksedge (33, Matatū, Canterbury, 57)
Arihiana Marino-Tauhinu (30, Chiefs, Counties Manukau, 6)
Inside Backs
Ruahei Demant (27, Blues, Auckland, 15) – captain
Amy du Plessis (22, Matatū, Canterbury, 0)
Carla Hohepa (36, Chiefs, Waikato, 28)
Patricia Maliepo (19, Blues, Auckland, 3)
Chelsea Semple (29, Chiefs, Waikato, 26)
Outside Backs
Renee Holmes (22, Matatū, Waikato, 1)
Ayesha Leti-I'iga (23, Hurricanes, Wellington, 12)
Cheyelle Robins-Reti (25, Hurricanes, Waikato, 3)
Grace Steinmetz (24, Matatū, Canterbury, 0)
Ruby Tui (30, Chiefs, Counties Manukau, new cap)
Broadcast
All matches of the Pacific Four Series will be broadcast live on Spark Sport
Not happy about that! :up_arrow:
Schedule
Black Ferns vs Australia, Monday 6 June, 2.45PM, Tauranga Domain, TAURANGA
Black Ferns vs Canada, Sunday 12 June, 2.45PM, Trusts Arena, Waitakere AUCKLAND
Blacks Ferns vs USA, Saturday 18 June, 4.00PM, Semenoff Stadium, WHANGAREI
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Eloise Blackwell is another big omission. No Hazel Tubic either.
Those unavailable because of injury are Charmaine McMenamin, Aleisha-Pearl Nelson, Grace Brooker, Kelsie Wills and Kennedy Simon.
@Bovidae said in 2022 Black Ferns:
Eloise Blackwell is another big omission. No Hazel Tubic either.
Those unavailable because of injury are Charmaine McMenamin, Aleisha-Pearl Nelson, Grace Brooker, Kelsie Wills and Kennedy Simon.
Tubic, especially, really surprises me. She's probably the best goal kicker we have.
Obviously, there may be good reasons other than injury that may prevent players from being named: pregnancy, their regular day jobs are just two examples. Some players may be able to quit their regular jobs for a pro rugby contract for 2022, but -IIRC - Tubic is a farmer and that may not be so easy. There's way too much uncertainty as to what the plans are for professional women's rugby after the World Cup.
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It's now also clear why Ruby Tui isn't in the BF7s squad. She (understandably) had to chose between playing XVs and the RWC, and playing 7s and the RWC Sevens and Commonwealth Sevens. She chose XVs,
@Stargazer said in 2022 Black Ferns:
It's now also clear why Ruby Tui isn't in the BF7s squad. She (understandably) had to chose between playing XVs and the RWC, and playing 7s and the RWC Sevens and Commonwealth Sevens. She chose XVs,
She tweeted as much over the weekend.
