Red Cards
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@Kirwan it was 6...but got reduced to 4 cos.
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@Kirwan it was 6...but got reduced to 4 cos.
@taniwharugby said in Red Cards:
@Kirwan it was 6...but got reduced to 4 cos.
Not much of a disincentive is it. For that sort of clear thuggery, no reductions should be made. He had so much time to pull out of that.
Was genuinely upsetting to watch Hodgman writhing on the ground after that.
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Also 4 weeks for Scott Barretts brain implosion seems a little short to me. That was one of the worst shoulder to heads I have seen in a long time.
Very, very lucky. Should have been six months for that.
FTFY
A few weeks off in the middle of the season to rest and recovery from any minor niggles while still getting paid isn't really a punishment.
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Also 4 weeks for Scott Barretts brain implosion seems a little short to me. That was one of the worst shoulder to heads I have seen in a long time.
Very, very lucky. Should have been six months for that.
FTFY
A few weeks off in the middle of the season to rest and recovery from any minor niggles while still getting paid isn't really a punishment.
@Anonymous which is why I feel there should be an appropriate financial impact too...I mean many of these players are married right, imagine them having to tell the wife he got a $50k fine for being a dumb arse
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Also 4 weeks for Scott Barretts brain implosion seems a little short to me. That was one of the worst shoulder to heads I have seen in a long time.
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@taniwharugby said in Red Cards:
@Kirwan it was 6...but got reduced to 4 cos.
Not much of a disincentive is it. For that sort of clear thuggery, no reductions should be made. He had so much time to pull out of that.
Was genuinely upsetting to watch Hodgman writhing on the ground after that.
@taniwharugby said in Red Cards:
@Kirwan it was 6...but got reduced to 4 cos.
Not much of a disincentive is it. For that sort of clear thuggery, no reductions should be made. He had so much time to pull out of that.
Was genuinely upsetting to watch Hodgman writhing on the ground after that.
Not disagreeing with you about Barrett pulling out, but on a side note I wish they would also replay these things in 'real time' so we can get a better feel as to how much time players actually have.
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@taniwharugby said in Red Cards:
@Kirwan it was 6...but got reduced to 4 cos.
Not much of a disincentive is it. For that sort of clear thuggery, no reductions should be made. He had so much time to pull out of that.
Was genuinely upsetting to watch Hodgman writhing on the ground after that.
Not disagreeing with you about Barrett pulling out, but on a side note I wish they would also replay these things in 'real time' so we can get a better feel as to how much time players actually have.
@Crazy-Horse which is part of the problem, the ref and TMO are making decisions based on what they see, while under time pressure to get back to the game...sure they take thier time, but when you have the ref looking at it on a big screen while talking to a guy watching it on his computer/TV about it...
Leaving these kinds of decisions in the hands of the judiciary who are not constrained by time should be where they are heading.
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https://twitter.com/i/status/1382979988236988416
Hodgman only got three weeks last year. He actually had to jump to shoulder the dude in the head. That's a complete dog act but only worth three weeks apparently.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1382979988236988416
Hodgman only got three weeks last year. He actually had to jump to shoulder the dude in the head. That's a complete dog act but only worth three weeks apparently.
Hodgman getting a red card last year doesn't make Scott Barrett's thuggery any better.
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https://twitter.com/i/status/1382979988236988416
Hodgman only got three weeks last year. He actually had to jump to shoulder the dude in the head. That's a complete dog act but only worth three weeks apparently.
Hodgman getting a red card last year doesn't make Scott Barrett's thuggery any better.
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@Kirwan Agree. But it does show a history of outright dog acts getting too short a time on the sidelines.
@Kirwan Agree. But it does show a history of outright dog acts getting too short a time on the sidelines.
I think both that one above and Scott's should have been a hard six weeks at least.
Perhaps a team losing a competition point for every two red cards would encorage better technique or less risk taking?
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@Kirwan Agree. But it does show a history of outright dog acts getting too short a time on the sidelines.
I think both that one above and Scott's should have been a hard six weeks at least.
Perhaps a team losing a competition point for every two red cards would encorage better technique or less risk taking?
@Kirwan Agree. But it does show a history of outright dog acts getting too short a time on the sidelines.
I think both that one above and Scott's should have been a hard six weeks at least.
Perhaps a team losing a competition point for every two red cards would encorage better technique or less risk taking?
Maybe they've already got it sorted behind the scenes? Barrett gets to be KTFO next year and carted off so he sees the error of his ways. Just like Hodgman
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How Aumua wasn’t red carded still baffles me, TMO reviewed it and said there was nothing in it even though Evans had a clear black eye
How Aumua wasn’t red carded still baffles me, TMO reviewed it and said there was nothing in it even though Evans had a clear black eye
I suspect the TMO only looked at it quickly and you can see on first review that it appears to have hit the chest and not the head. Perhaps he reviewed before seeing the black eye. The on-field ref missed it and asked and the TMO who said it was fine. I think the TMO's are under instruction to speed up the game and not to stop the game. I think this one just slipped through due to the angle of the replay.
I agree that the guy had a black eye so should have been looked at again. You would have thought there was another angle available.
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@taniwharugby said in Red Cards:
@Kirwan it was 6...but got reduced to 4 cos.
Not much of a disincentive is it. For that sort of clear thuggery, no reductions should be made. He had so much time to pull out of that.
Was genuinely upsetting to watch Hodgman writhing on the ground after that.
Not disagreeing with you about Barrett pulling out, but on a side note I wish they would also replay these things in 'real time' so we can get a better feel as to how much time players actually have.
@Crazy-Horse said in Red Cards:
@taniwharugby said in Red Cards:
@Kirwan it was 6...but got reduced to 4 cos.
Not much of a disincentive is it. For that sort of clear thuggery, no reductions should be made. He had so much time to pull out of that.
Was genuinely upsetting to watch Hodgman writhing on the ground after that.
Not disagreeing with you about Barrett pulling out, but on a side note I wish they would also replay these things in 'real time' so we can get a better feel as to how much time players actually have.
Less than people think I suspect.
You'd have to be psychopathically stupid to be intentionally planting a shoulder into people's heads these days with camera replays all over the show.
Most of them I think people start to do something, somehow get their timing compromised and end up looking like they're thugs - especially in slow mo.
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@Nepia the key for me, is that we have an even contest of 15 v 15 for as much of a match as possible, I dont want to see 15 v 13/14...even if it works in my teams favour.
Do rugby players get fined for cards, they do in NRL dont they?
Obviously in a comp like the NPC where some players earn $10k for thier season, so it needs to be relative.
@taniwharugby said in Red Cards:
@Nepia the key for me, is that we have an even contest of 15 v 15 for as much of a match as possible, I dont want to see 15 v 13/14...even if it works in my teams favour.
Do rugby players get fined for cards, they do in NRL dont they?
Obviously in a comp like the NPC where some players earn $10k for thier season, so it needs to be relative.
So maybe have a 10 or 20 minute sin bin but you can come back on however you will also be assessed by tribunal with possible suspension. Stick with outright off for the rest of the game and tribunal visit for outright bad behaviour ( stomping, eye contact, fighting etc)
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YC for careless or cynical play: Sin bin and on report (fine/ban)
OC for reckless or dangerous play: Sinbin and you can't return, and on report (fine/ban)
RC for intentional filth: Off with no replacement (fine/ban)
Report system for anything missed with bans lengthened by one match
Penalties also lengthened across the board and fines used.Edit: Another idea would be, if people don't like an orange card, to have people not be able to return from the Sinbin. So, pretty much everything is either a penalty or YC, and after 10 minutes the team has the choice to replace players until they are out of replacements. Red cards are only for intentional filth.
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YC for careless or cynical play: Sin bin and on report (fine/ban)
OC for reckless or dangerous play: Sinbin and you can't return, and on report (fine/ban)
RC for intentional filth: Off with no replacement (fine/ban)
Report system for anything missed with bans lengthened by one match
Penalties also lengthened across the board and fines used.Edit: Another idea would be, if people don't like an orange card, to have people not be able to return from the Sinbin. So, pretty much everything is either a penalty or YC, and after 10 minutes the team has the choice to replace players until they are out of replacements. Red cards are only for intentional filth.
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@Crazy-Horse said in Red Cards:
@taniwharugby said in Red Cards:
@Kirwan it was 6...but got reduced to 4 cos.
Not much of a disincentive is it. For that sort of clear thuggery, no reductions should be made. He had so much time to pull out of that.
Was genuinely upsetting to watch Hodgman writhing on the ground after that.
Not disagreeing with you about Barrett pulling out, but on a side note I wish they would also replay these things in 'real time' so we can get a better feel as to how much time players actually have.
Less than people think I suspect.
You'd have to be psychopathically stupid to be intentionally planting a shoulder into people's heads these days with camera replays all over the show.
Most of them I think people start to do something, somehow get their timing compromised and end up looking like they're thugs - especially in slow mo.
@Chris-B said in Red Cards:
Most of them I think people start to do something, somehow get their timing compromised and end up looking like they're thugs - especially in slow mo.
Or, they try to impose themselves with a hard, high hit and fuck it up, meaning they should have compromised the hard and not gone high...
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@Chris-B said in Red Cards:
Most of them I think people start to do something, somehow get their timing compromised and end up looking like they're thugs - especially in slow mo.
Or, they try to impose themselves with a hard, high hit and fuck it up, meaning they should have compromised the hard and not gone high...
@Chris-B said in Red Cards:
Most of them I think people start to do something, somehow get their timing compromised and end up looking like they're thugs - especially in slow mo.
Or, they try to impose themselves with a hard, high hit and fuck it up, meaning they should have compromised the hard and not gone high...
...and then they read the fern and they see people nit picking between tackles and dominant tackles
in principle i agree though, i think the only way is to slow things, soften some impacts, accept more given and take, i'd like to see less subs tried and maybe
