All Blacks XV 2022
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks XV:
@Dan54 has that (edit: that the ABs can select him from MP) been confirmed? I thought it was speculation from both sides of the arguement.
Well when MP was formed it was publicly confirmed by Bee Gee that after discussions with NZR even ABs could play for MP. And everything I have ever read on eligibilty rules, what is you can only be captured for a country, by playing for that country. I not sure who got the idea that playing for MP captured you as Joe Royal who I know is not eligible to play for any island team played for them.
@Dan54 said in All Blacks XV:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks XV:
@Dan54 has that (edit: that the ABs can select him from MP) been confirmed? I thought it was speculation from both sides of the arguement.
Well when MP was formed it was publicly confirmed by Bee Gee that after discussions with NZR even ABs could play for MP. And everything I have ever read on eligibilty rules, what is you can only be captured for a country, by playing for that country. I not sure who got the idea that playing for MP captured you as Joe Royal who I know is not eligible to play for any island team played for them.
As far as I can tell nobody is saying MP 'captures' a player. The way I have read things on here is people are suggesting there may be an agreement (a gentlemen's agreement?) that while players are playing for MP they won't be selected for the ABs.
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks XV:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks XV:
@Dan54 has that (edit: that the ABs can select him from MP) been confirmed? I thought it was speculation from both sides of the arguement.
Well when MP was formed it was publicly confirmed by Bee Gee that after discussions with NZR even ABs could play for MP. And everything I have ever read on eligibilty rules, what is you can only be captured for a country, by playing for that country. I not sure who got the idea that playing for MP captured you as Joe Royal who I know is not eligible to play for any island team played for them.
As far as I can tell nobody is saying MP 'captures' a player. The way I have read things on here is people are suggesting there may be an agreement (a gentlemen's agreement?) that while players are playing for MP they won't be selected for the ABs.
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks XV:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks XV:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks XV:
@Dan54 has that (edit: that the ABs can select him from MP) been confirmed? I thought it was speculation from both sides of the arguement.
Well when MP was formed it was publicly confirmed by Bee Gee that after discussions with NZR even ABs could play for MP. And everything I have ever read on eligibilty rules, what is you can only be captured for a country, by playing for that country. I not sure who got the idea that playing for MP captured you as Joe Royal who I know is not eligible to play for any island team played for them.
As far as I can tell nobody is saying MP 'captures' a player. The way I have read things on here is people are suggesting there may be an agreement (a gentlemen's agreement?) that while players are playing for MP they won't be selected for the ABs.
Haven't heard that mate, just heard Bee Gee say players could go anywhere, but they preferred to have only 3 in squad who weren't making themselves available for Islands. But prepared to say I never looked into it deeply,
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This is the first case showing that MP will act as a 6th franchise if the player is considered good enough.
Whether Aumua is good enough or not is another question.
He has size, I’ll admit, and is a dangerous player.
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This is the first case showing that MP will act as a 6th franchise if the player is considered good enough.
Whether Aumua is good enough or not is another question.
He has size, I’ll admit, and is a dangerous player.
@gt12 Aumua would be better at the Crusaders if he wants to be an All Black. Wonder if he could change franchise if he has a really good tour. He would also be a good backup at the Crusaders especially with Jack Goodhue coming back from injury.
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@gt12 Aumua would be better at the Crusaders if he wants to be an All Black. Wonder if he could change franchise if he has a really good tour. He would also be a good backup at the Crusaders especially with Jack Goodhue coming back from injury.
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@SBW1 I see you're suggesting a player go sit on the bench for the crusaders in a search for higher honours. Crafty.
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@SBW1 I see you're suggesting a player go sit on the bench for the crusaders in a search for higher honours. Crafty.
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@Bones just commonsense. That way we have less minutes to view and criticise them and their reputation from training stats and Instagram pics becomes far more meaningful for AB selection.
@ARHS said in All Blacks XV:
@Bones just commonsense. That way we have less minutes to view and criticise them and their reputation from training stats and Instagram pics becomes far more meaningful for AB selection.
And of course any opposition can not analyse any weakness to exploit, it is Fozzie genius.
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@gt12 Aumua would be better at the Crusaders if he wants to be an All Black. Wonder if he could change franchise if he has a really good tour. He would also be a good backup at the Crusaders especially with Jack Goodhue coming back from injury.
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@broughie TBF he did start in NPC but needed additional surgery, that I believe was only 'minor' and could have kept playing, but it was needed when it happend so he was fit for super...not sure he will make it back in black, but think he still has alot to offer otherwise.
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@broughie TBF he did start in NPC but needed additional surgery, that I believe was only 'minor' and could have kept playing, but it was needed when it happend so he was fit for super...not sure he will make it back in black, but think he still has alot to offer otherwise.
@taniwharugby Fair enough but he needs to make his case on the field. A season of super rugby should be sufficient.
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I am still puzzled by CLW's selection. These 8s had a better NPC IMO : Lakai, Flanders, Broughton, Iose and Suafoa, just to name a few. Lakai, in particular, has far more chances to become an All Black than CLW, IMO.
@cgrant said in All Blacks XV:
I am still puzzled by CLW's selection. These 8s had a better NPC IMO : Lakai, Flanders, Broughton, Iose and Suafoa, just to name a few. Lakai, in particular, has far more chances to become an All Black than CLW, IMO.
Lakai is just 19 and has never played Super. He looks every inch a future AB but no need to rush things.
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I am still puzzled by CLW's selection. These 8s had a better NPC IMO : Lakai, Flanders, Broughton, Iose and Suafoa, just to name a few. Lakai, in particular, has far more chances to become an All Black than CLW, IMO.
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@cgrant said in All Blacks XV:
I am still puzzled by CLW's selection. These 8s had a better NPC IMO : Lakai, Flanders, Broughton, Iose and Suafoa, just to name a few. Lakai, in particular, has far more chances to become an All Black than CLW, IMO.
Lakai is just 19 and has never played Super. He looks every inch a future AB but no need to rush things.
@KiwiMurph
So you think CLW's selection is a better choice ? When you are good enough, you are old enough. But if you don't like seing a 19 y.o. selected, then there are the other names I wrote in my previous mail. And I could have add Matich who had a very good NPC. Of course, he is not AB material but he looked better than CLW IMO. -
@KiwiMurph
So you think CLW's selection is a better choice ? When you are good enough, you are old enough. But if you don't like seing a 19 y.o. selected, then there are the other names I wrote in my previous mail. And I could have add Matich who had a very good NPC. Of course, he is not AB material but he looked better than CLW IMO.@cgrant said in All Blacks XV:
@KiwiMurph
So you think CLW's selection is a better choice ? When you are good enough, you are old enough. But if you don't like seing a 19 y.o. selected, then there are the other names I wrote in my previous mail. And I could have add Matich who had a very good NPC. Of course, he is not AB material but he looked better than CLW IMO.CLW was targeted by the Crusaders so clearly J Ryan sees something in him. I watched CLW when Otago played Canterbury a few weeks ago and he was outstanding.
I just don't see it as that crazy of a selection when you factor in this is about the next group of players for next year - CLW seems to be one of a number of players at the same sort of level - Flanders form this season has clearly been down on previous seasons (carrying an injury?), Iose suffers from playing in a poor Manawatu team and therefore trying to do everything himself, Matich is 31 and won't even have a Super Rugby contract etc.
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@cgrant said in All Blacks XV:
@KiwiMurph
So you think CLW's selection is a better choice ? When you are good enough, you are old enough. But if you don't like seing a 19 y.o. selected, then there are the other names I wrote in my previous mail. And I could have add Matich who had a very good NPC. Of course, he is not AB material but he looked better than CLW IMO.CLW was targeted by the Crusaders so clearly J Ryan sees something in him. I watched CLW when Otago played Canterbury a few weeks ago and he was outstanding.
I just don't see it as that crazy of a selection when you factor in this is about the next group of players for next year - CLW seems to be one of a number of players at the same sort of level - Flanders form this season has clearly been down on previous seasons (carrying an injury?), Iose suffers from playing in a poor Manawatu team and therefore trying to do everything himself, Matich is 31 and won't even have a Super Rugby contract etc.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks XV:
Flanders form this season has clearly been down on previous seasons (carrying an injury?)
His form at the tail end of the NPC was actually really good. IIRC he has been carrying an injury most of the year.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks XV:
Flanders form this season has clearly been down on previous seasons (carrying an injury?)
His form at the tail end of the NPC was actually really good. IIRC he has been carrying an injury most of the year.
@Nepia said in All Blacks XV:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks XV:
Flanders form this season has clearly been down on previous seasons (carrying an injury?)
His form at the tail end of the NPC was actually really good. IIRC he has been carrying an injury most of the year.
I am a fan of Flanders but I reckon he needs a season of showing he can get through intense games at Super level without cramping/breaking down before being selected at the next level.
