All Blacks XV 2022
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I am still puzzled by CLW's selection. These 8s had a better NPC IMO : Lakai, Flanders, Broughton, Iose and Suafoa, just to name a few. Lakai, in particular, has far more chances to become an All Black than CLW, IMO.
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@cgrant said in All Blacks XV:
I am still puzzled by CLW's selection. These 8s had a better NPC IMO : Lakai, Flanders, Broughton, Iose and Suafoa, just to name a few. Lakai, in particular, has far more chances to become an All Black than CLW, IMO.
Lakai is just 19 and has never played Super. He looks every inch a future AB but no need to rush things.
@KiwiMurph
So you think CLW's selection is a better choice ? When you are good enough, you are old enough. But if you don't like seing a 19 y.o. selected, then there are the other names I wrote in my previous mail. And I could have add Matich who had a very good NPC. Of course, he is not AB material but he looked better than CLW IMO. -
@KiwiMurph
So you think CLW's selection is a better choice ? When you are good enough, you are old enough. But if you don't like seing a 19 y.o. selected, then there are the other names I wrote in my previous mail. And I could have add Matich who had a very good NPC. Of course, he is not AB material but he looked better than CLW IMO.@cgrant said in All Blacks XV:
@KiwiMurph
So you think CLW's selection is a better choice ? When you are good enough, you are old enough. But if you don't like seing a 19 y.o. selected, then there are the other names I wrote in my previous mail. And I could have add Matich who had a very good NPC. Of course, he is not AB material but he looked better than CLW IMO.CLW was targeted by the Crusaders so clearly J Ryan sees something in him. I watched CLW when Otago played Canterbury a few weeks ago and he was outstanding.
I just don't see it as that crazy of a selection when you factor in this is about the next group of players for next year - CLW seems to be one of a number of players at the same sort of level - Flanders form this season has clearly been down on previous seasons (carrying an injury?), Iose suffers from playing in a poor Manawatu team and therefore trying to do everything himself, Matich is 31 and won't even have a Super Rugby contract etc.
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@cgrant said in All Blacks XV:
@KiwiMurph
So you think CLW's selection is a better choice ? When you are good enough, you are old enough. But if you don't like seing a 19 y.o. selected, then there are the other names I wrote in my previous mail. And I could have add Matich who had a very good NPC. Of course, he is not AB material but he looked better than CLW IMO.CLW was targeted by the Crusaders so clearly J Ryan sees something in him. I watched CLW when Otago played Canterbury a few weeks ago and he was outstanding.
I just don't see it as that crazy of a selection when you factor in this is about the next group of players for next year - CLW seems to be one of a number of players at the same sort of level - Flanders form this season has clearly been down on previous seasons (carrying an injury?), Iose suffers from playing in a poor Manawatu team and therefore trying to do everything himself, Matich is 31 and won't even have a Super Rugby contract etc.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks XV:
Flanders form this season has clearly been down on previous seasons (carrying an injury?)
His form at the tail end of the NPC was actually really good. IIRC he has been carrying an injury most of the year.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks XV:
Flanders form this season has clearly been down on previous seasons (carrying an injury?)
His form at the tail end of the NPC was actually really good. IIRC he has been carrying an injury most of the year.
@Nepia said in All Blacks XV:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks XV:
Flanders form this season has clearly been down on previous seasons (carrying an injury?)
His form at the tail end of the NPC was actually really good. IIRC he has been carrying an injury most of the year.
I am a fan of Flanders but I reckon he needs a season of showing he can get through intense games at Super level without cramping/breaking down before being selected at the next level.
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Ryan says they picked on NPC form. That doesn't explain the selection of some bench players.
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Not sure what the goals of the team are. If I was selecting a team it would be based on potential to reach a higher level that's why I don't understand the selection of Gatland. I can appreciate he did a great job for North Harbor but he would be swallowed up at international level.
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Ryan says they picked on NPC form. That doesn't explain the selection of some bench players.
@Bovidae said in All Blacks XV:
Ryan says they picked on NPC form. That doesn't explain the selection of some bench players.
How on earth did Laghlan McWhannell & Ollie Norris not make the squad then?
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Not sure what the goals of the team are. If I was selecting a team it would be based on potential to reach a higher level that's why I don't understand the selection of Gatland. I can appreciate he did a great job for North Harbor but he would be swallowed up at international level.
@broughie said in All Blacks XV:
Not sure what the goals of the team are. If I was selecting a team it would be based on potential to reach a higher level that's why I don't understand the selection of Gatland. I can appreciate he did a great job for North Harbor but he would be swallowed up at international level.
I believe the selection is for next year. As in - who is the next cab of the rank next year if people start falling over (ala first fives in the 2011 RWC). I suppose one thing in Gatland's favour is he is very experienced but on form/potential I would think Fergus Burke is perhaps a better option.
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@broughie said in All Blacks XV:
Not sure what the goals of the team are. If I was selecting a team it would be based on potential to reach a higher level that's why I don't understand the selection of Gatland. I can appreciate he did a great job for North Harbor but he would be swallowed up at international level.
I believe the selection is for next year. As in - who is the next cab of the rank next year if people start falling over (ala first fives in the 2011 RWC). I suppose one thing in Gatland's favour is he is very experienced but on form/potential I would think Fergus Burke is perhaps a better option.
@KiwiMurph yeah I don’t mind the Gatland selection and he could do a job ala Donald should Mo’unga, Beaudie, Perofeta, DMac (and probably Jordie) all get a visit from Suzie
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Ryan says they picked on NPC form. That doesn't explain the selection of some bench players.
@Bovidae said in All Blacks XV:
Ryan says they picked on NPC form. That doesn't explain the selection of some bench players.
Eek, I made the mistake of reading the comments to that article. Self uppercut.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks XV:
Ryan says they picked on NPC form. That doesn't explain the selection of some bench players.
Eek, I made the mistake of reading the comments to that article. Self uppercut.
@Nepia said in All Blacks XV:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks XV:
Ryan says they picked on NPC form. That doesn't explain the selection of some bench players.
Eek, I made the mistake of reading the comments to that article. Self uppercut.
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@Nepia said in All Blacks XV:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks XV:
Ryan says they picked on NPC form. That doesn't explain the selection of some bench players.
Eek, I made the mistake of reading the comments to that article. Self uppercut.
Never go full
retardStuff comments@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks XV:
@Nepia said in All Blacks XV:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks XV:
Ryan says they picked on NPC form. That doesn't explain the selection of some bench players.
Eek, I made the mistake of reading the comments to that article. Self uppercut.
Never go full
retardStuff commentsTBF I was assigning some comments to Fern posters in my head.
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@broughie said in All Blacks XV:
Not sure what the goals of the team are. If I was selecting a team it would be based on potential to reach a higher level that's why I don't understand the selection of Gatland. I can appreciate he did a great job for North Harbor but he would be swallowed up at international level.
I believe the selection is for next year. As in - who is the next cab of the rank next year if people start falling over (ala first fives in the 2011 RWC). I suppose one thing in Gatland's favour is he is very experienced but on form/potential I would think Fergus Burke is perhaps a better option.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks XV:
@broughie said in All Blacks XV:
Not sure what the goals of the team are. If I was selecting a team it would be based on potential to reach a higher level that's why I don't understand the selection of Gatland. I can appreciate he did a great job for North Harbor but he would be swallowed up at international level.
I believe the selection is for next year. As in - who is the next cab of the rank next year if people start falling over (ala first fives in the 2011 RWC). I suppose one thing in Gatland's favour is he is very experienced but on form/potential I would think Fergus Burke is perhaps a better option.
Burke getting selected along with all the other Cantabs? That would have been a poplar selection.
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@Nepia said in All Blacks XV:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks XV:
Ryan says they picked on NPC form. That doesn't explain the selection of some bench players.
Eek, I made the mistake of reading the comments to that article. Self uppercut.
Never go full
retardStuff comments@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks XV:
@Nepia said in All Blacks XV:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks XV:
Ryan says they picked on NPC form. That doesn't explain the selection of some bench players.
Eek, I made the mistake of reading the comments to that article. Self uppercut.
Never go full
retardStuff commentscomments section on you tube videos can be pretty interesting too
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@broughie said in All Blacks XV:
Not sure what the goals of the team are. If I was selecting a team it would be based on potential to reach a higher level that's why I don't understand the selection of Gatland. I can appreciate he did a great job for North Harbor but he would be swallowed up at international level.
I believe the selection is for next year. As in - who is the next cab of the rank next year if people start falling over (ala first fives in the 2011 RWC). I suppose one thing in Gatland's favour is he is very experienced but on form/potential I would think Fergus Burke is perhaps a better option.
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@KiwiMurph Might be true but could you imagine that scenario? Could Beaver come out of retirement?
@broughie said in All Blacks XV:
@KiwiMurph Might be true but could you imagine that scenario? Could Beaver come out of retirement?
It's hard to imagine a scenario of 4 or 5 guys that would be ahead of Gatland all going down, but never say never aye.
The thing with Donald and 2011 is that he knew Henry's system so it wasn't completely foreign to him when lightning struck for the third time! I'm not as down on Gatland and actually prefer that the likes of Burke aren't being rushed.
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@Nepia said in All Blacks XV:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks XV:
Flanders form this season has clearly been down on previous seasons (carrying an injury?)
His form at the tail end of the NPC was actually really good. IIRC he has been carrying an injury most of the year.
I am a fan of Flanders but I reckon he needs a season of showing he can get through intense games at Super level without cramping/breaking down before being selected at the next level.
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks XV:
@Nepia said in All Blacks XV:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks XV:
Flanders form this season has clearly been down on previous seasons (carrying an injury?)
His form at the tail end of the NPC was actually really good. IIRC he has been carrying an injury most of the year.
I am a fan of Flanders but I reckon he needs a season of showing he can get through intense games at Super level without cramping/breaking down before being selected at the next level.
Agreed. He looks to be the big, physical - defence & offence that is ideal for test rugby. However he seems to be cursed by the injury bug.
