All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test
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@Chris-B copying the Irish from last week?
@Tim yeah IIRC he wasnt really looking at being a tackler and then the attacking angle changed and he was in the space the attacker was going, and bam...will be interesting to see what the judiciary make of it, if they ban him or turn the RC over.
Did they mention if he passed his HIA?
@taniwharugby I stopped watching the replay after the red card!
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From the wide shot it looked like Ta'avao was running across on cover, never expected the ball to come back towards him.
@Tim said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
From the wide shot it looked like Ta'avao was running across on cover, never expected the ball to come back towards him.
Agree - he accelerated as he realised the ball had been passed, but didn’t judge that the player was coming at him. Total collision. To mitigate that you need to be stationary and bent over. Almost impossible if the deception happens on the advantage line unless defence is completely passive. This was a wrong decision. Rules or interpretation needs to be changed. This is where league gets it right - they turn around interpretation issues really quickly. We have the IRB.
Much like who whomever came up with the rule around a drop kick to the defending team when you are held up over the line. Wtf? Why?
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@booboo said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
The Ta'avao card, as I said at half time, was the worst application of the head impact laws I have seen.
They actually put up the steps they go through up on the feed and I looked at Foul Play and thought oh well it will be a yellow at worst because no one on the planet thinks that's actually foul play. How wrong was I? Jaco obviously saw it as a flying headbutt.
@booboo said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Will now subject myself to the thread ...
I said at half time I was looking forward to reading the thread, as my mates and I watching the game found the first half so surreal. But I had a look at the end of the match and I straight up couldn't handle the amount of negativity, and I was one of the key drivers of the Hammettuer thread.
I'm not as disappointed by this loss as others, it has a Cardiff 2007 feel to it for me with the first half surreal-ness and the hammering we took from Jaco's whistle (I'll need a rewatch to see if all were deserved etc) so that seems to have lightened the anger for me.
Maybe I'll get shittier as the week goes on? Maybe I'm just mature enough to handle losses (nope that didn't sound right even as I typed it).
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
They actually put up the steps they go through up on the feed and I looked at Foul Play and thought oh well it will be a yellow at worst because no one on the planet thinks that's actually foul play. How wrong was I? Jaco obviously saw it as a flying headbutt
Players have just got to be more careful. I saw it and first thought was a definite red card.
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@Nepia said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@booboo said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
The Ta'avao card, as I said at half time, was the worst application of the head impact laws I have seen.
They actually put up the steps they go through up on the feed and I looked at Foul Play and thought oh well it will be a yellow at worst because no one on the planet thinks that's actually foul play. How wrong was I? Jaco obviously saw it as a flying headbutt.
@booboo said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Will now subject myself to the thread ...
I said at half time I was looking forward to reading the thread, as my mates and I watching the game found the first half so surreal. But I had a look at the end of the match and I straight up couldn't handle the amount of negativity, and I was one of the key drivers of the Hammettuer thread.
I'm not as disappointed by this loss as others, it has a Cardiff 2007 feel to it for me with the first half surreal-ness and the hammering we took from Jaco's whistle (I'll need a rewatch to see if all were deserved etc) so that seems to have lightened the anger for me.
Maybe I'll get shittier as the week goes on? Maybe I'm just mature enough to handle losses (nope that didn't sound right even as I typed it).
A lot of that negativity existed before the game. So the slightest scratch and it gushes like an artery that’s had a surgical blade through it.
No AB fan likes losing but certain we will be better next week. Whitelock, Jordan, Goodhue in and some young ones sitting the 3rd test out. Like to see Mo’unga at 1st and BB at fullback - less mistakes, take your penalties…test match rugby where you respect your opponent.
@kev said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@booboo said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
The Ta'avao card, as I said at half time, was the worst application of the head impact laws I have seen.
They actually put up the steps they go through up on the feed and I looked at Foul Play and thought oh well it will be a yellow at worst because no one on the planet thinks that's actually foul play. How wrong was I? Jaco obviously saw it as a flying headbutt.
@booboo said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Will now subject myself to the thread ...
I said at half time I was looking forward to reading the thread, as my mates and I watching the game found the first half so surreal. But I had a look at the end of the match and I straight up couldn't handle the amount of negativity, and I was one of the key drivers of the Hammettuer thread.
I'm not as disappointed by this loss as others, it has a Cardiff 2007 feel to it for me with the first half surreal-ness and the hammering we took from Jaco's whistle (I'll need a rewatch to see if all were deserved etc) so that seems to have lightened the anger for me.
Maybe I'll get shittier as the week goes on? Maybe I'm just mature enough to handle losses (nope that didn't sound right even as I typed it).
A lot of that negativity existed before the game. So the slightest scratch and it gushes like an artery that’s had a surgical blade through it.
No AB fan likes losing but certain we will be better next week. Whitelock, Jordan, Goodhue in and some young ones sitting the 3rd test out. Like to see Mo’unga at 1st and BB at fullback - less mistakes, take your penalties…test match rugby where you respect your opponent.
I'd change the starting hooker, as well - whether it's Sami T. promoted or Coles coming in. Taylor simply hasn't shown great form for 12 months.
Not sure what we'll do at tighthead if Nepo's neck isn't right. Ofa was terrible, last night, Angus has to beat both a red card hearing and concussion protocols, and seemingly the next cab off the rank will be Tyrel Lomax.
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@kev said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@booboo said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
The Ta'avao card, as I said at half time, was the worst application of the head impact laws I have seen.
They actually put up the steps they go through up on the feed and I looked at Foul Play and thought oh well it will be a yellow at worst because no one on the planet thinks that's actually foul play. How wrong was I? Jaco obviously saw it as a flying headbutt.
@booboo said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Will now subject myself to the thread ...
I said at half time I was looking forward to reading the thread, as my mates and I watching the game found the first half so surreal. But I had a look at the end of the match and I straight up couldn't handle the amount of negativity, and I was one of the key drivers of the Hammettuer thread.
I'm not as disappointed by this loss as others, it has a Cardiff 2007 feel to it for me with the first half surreal-ness and the hammering we took from Jaco's whistle (I'll need a rewatch to see if all were deserved etc) so that seems to have lightened the anger for me.
Maybe I'll get shittier as the week goes on? Maybe I'm just mature enough to handle losses (nope that didn't sound right even as I typed it).
A lot of that negativity existed before the game. So the slightest scratch and it gushes like an artery that’s had a surgical blade through it.
No AB fan likes losing but certain we will be better next week. Whitelock, Jordan, Goodhue in and some young ones sitting the 3rd test out. Like to see Mo’unga at 1st and BB at fullback - less mistakes, take your penalties…test match rugby where you respect your opponent.
I'd change the starting hooker, as well - whether it's Sami T. promoted or Coles coming in. Taylor simply hasn't shown great form for 12 months.
Not sure what we'll do at tighthead if Nepo's neck isn't right. Ofa was terrible, last night, Angus has to beat both a red card hearing and concussion protocols, and seemingly the next cab off the rank will be Tyrel Lomax.
@Chris-B Ofa's pattern means he will play well next week....
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@Chris-B Ofa's pattern means he will play well next week....
@taniwharugby "Me of little faith"!
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Don't mind losing to a better team if we show up and actually play. This is different. The team has no direction, it is an unstructured mess with some very talented players keeping it from a complete shitshow. Our expectations as fans have been so lowered that we are already putting this to the side and talking about the "better performance" next week.
Holy Shittings! I am completely "Fostered out" (as someone said before). It has been said hundreds of times on here but I'll say it again. Players out of position, stubborn refusal to drop certain "favourites", lack of understandable game plan...... Didn't we see this in a certain Chiefs side? -
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@booboo said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
The Ta'avao card, as I said at half time, was the worst application of the head impact laws I have seen.
They actually put up the steps they go through up on the feed and I looked at Foul Play and thought oh well it will be a yellow at worst because no one on the planet thinks that's actually foul play. How wrong was I? Jaco obviously saw it as a flying headbutt.
@booboo said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Will now subject myself to the thread ...
I said at half time I was looking forward to reading the thread, as my mates and I watching the game found the first half so surreal. But I had a look at the end of the match and I straight up couldn't handle the amount of negativity, and I was one of the key drivers of the Hammettuer thread.
I'm not as disappointed by this loss as others, it has a Cardiff 2007 feel to it for me with the first half surreal-ness and the hammering we took from Jaco's whistle (I'll need a rewatch to see if all were deserved etc) so that seems to have lightened the anger for me.
Maybe I'll get shittier as the week goes on? Maybe I'm just mature enough to handle losses (nope that didn't sound right even as I typed it).
A lot of that negativity existed before the game. So the slightest scratch and it gushes like an artery that’s had a surgical blade through it.
No AB fan likes losing but certain we will be better next week. Whitelock, Jordan, Goodhue in and some young ones sitting the 3rd test out. Like to see Mo’unga at 1st and BB at fullback - less mistakes, take your penalties…test match rugby where you respect your opponent.
@kev said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Like to see Mo’unga at 1st and BB at fullback - less mistakes, take your penalties…test match rugby where you respect your opponent.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
I'm still so angry how hugely our forward pack got rolled tonight.
Even before the cards that some will use as excuses for their favourites
A Savea was shown for his complete lack of physicality
DP was completely invisible.
Scott Barrett missed two assignments that led to points
The front row who weren't Bower sucked (Bower was really good and I'm becoming a huge fan)
Yes Ofa fucked everything but it was shit. The lineout was predictable. The scrum was scratchy
PGS is not good enough to be a test player and it's a disgrace he gets a jersey.
We need new leadership
Lol this is hilarious, our whole pack showed no physicality last night yet you continue to blame it all on Savea. How about our so called physical players actually stand up for once. Savea did his job last week but I’ve yet to see any other forward bar up, apart from Sam Whitelock andGeorge Bower.
Last nights loss needs to fall on the shoulders of Sam Cane as captain. He needs to show more as a leader because a couple hard tackles just doesn’t cut it. He is such a handbrake when we have ball in hand aswell, I’ve lost count of how many times he’s dropped the ball over the last couple weeks, he’s hopeless. Then there’s the likes of Codie Taylor, Ofa, Scott Barrett and Dalton who didn’t do anything last night. In fact when Ardie went off we literally had no one to get us over the advantage line in that pack.
The fact you didn’t even mention Lester in your match day rundown is a bit of a joke because that was probably the worst performance by any player in Black for about twenty years. He was horrible.
But yeah, let’s just blame it all on Ardie Savea.
Muppet.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
I'm still so angry how hugely our forward pack got rolled tonight.
Even before the cards that some will use as excuses for their favourites
A Savea was shown for his complete lack of physicality
DP was completely invisible.
Scott Barrett missed two assignments that led to points
The front row who weren't Bower sucked (Bower was really good and I'm becoming a huge fan)
Yes Ofa fucked everything but it was shit. The lineout was predictable. The scrum was scratchy
PGS is not good enough to be a test player and it's a disgrace he gets a jersey.
We need new leadership
Lol this is hilarious, our whole pack showed no physicality last night yet you continue to blame it all on Savea. How about our so called physical players actually stand up for once. Savea did his job last week but I’ve yet to see any other forward bar up, apart from Sam Whitelock andGeorge Bower.
Last nights loss needs to fall on the shoulders of Sam Cane as captain. He needs to show more as a leader because a couple hard tackles just doesn’t cut it. He is such a handbrake when we have ball in hand aswell, I’ve lost count of how many times he’s dropped the ball over the last couple weeks, he’s hopeless. Then there’s the likes of Codie Taylor, Ofa, Scott Barrett and Dalton who didn’t do anything last night. In fact when Ardie went off we literally had no one to get us over the advantage line in that pack.
The fact you didn’t even mention Lester in your match day rundown is a bit of a joke because that was probably the worst performance by any player in Black for about twenty years. He was horrible.
But yeah, let’s just blame it all on Ardie Savea.
Muppet.
Lol fuck what a dipshit post
A post naming a bunch of players for being shit you choose one line and concoct a reply as if it's the whole post
Deluded
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We are so much less than the sum of our parts
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Congrats to Ireland. Dominated.
As others have said the ABs are a total mess all the way around.
We have a forward pack that is as soft as butter with the exception of Bower, Whitelock and sometimes Scott Barrett.
We don't have a proper 10 in either Beauden or Richie that drives the team around field.
We don't have an effective attacking pattern we can go to. We continue with this pod rubbish and biffing it out to a forward 10 metres from the breakdown.
Our defence coach and defence system is in it's 6th season and keeps showing the same failings. 6th season with this defence coach and system is nuts - how to have that sort of job security.
Our coach/selectors refuses to actually drop any senior players from the starting side regardless of performance or to fit a discernible pattern of play.
The culture of the team appears to be completely fucked. Codie Taylor was quoted as saying how 'Ardie is the best player in the world' in relation to the substitute error - they believe their own bullshit - it's this echo-chamber and no one is willing to ask the hard questions. They shrug every loss off as a compliment to the opposition and good for world rugby and then forget about it until it happens again a couple of tests later.
It's no wonder in test rugby we get exposed every other test.
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Congrats to Ireland. Dominated.
As others have said the ABs are a total mess all the way around.
We have a forward pack that is as soft as butter with the exception of Bower, Whitelock and sometimes Scott Barrett.
We don't have a proper 10 in either Beauden or Richie that drives the team around field.
We don't have an effective attacking pattern we can go to. We continue with this pod rubbish and biffing it out to a forward 10 metres from the breakdown.
Our defence coach and defence system is in it's 6th season and keeps showing the same failings. 6th season with this defence coach and system is nuts - how to have that sort of job security.
Our coach/selectors refuses to actually drop any senior players from the starting side regardless of performance or to fit a discernible pattern of play.
The culture of the team appears to be completely fucked. Codie Taylor was quoted as saying how 'Ardie is the best player in the world' in relation to the substitute error - they believe their own bullshit - it's this echo-chamber and no one is willing to ask the hard questions. They shrug every loss off as a compliment to the opposition and good for world rugby and then forget about it until it happens again a couple of tests later.
It's no wonder in test rugby we get exposed every other test.
@KiwiMurph I laughed over that Taylor comment. It’s like the “not far off, just a few tweaks” comments we always hear. They are delusional.
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Clean out time for the 3rd test. (welcome to my fantasy world)
Foster and his entire coaching group fired, replaced by Scott Robertson with Joe Schmidt kept on.Team.
15 Jordie (there for kicking game but better improve decision making pronto - he takes all line kicks following penalties)
14 Will Jordan or Reece
13 Reiko
12 Goodhue
11 Clarke
10 Barrett last chance or to be replaced by Perofeta (Beauden, show us you can kick accurately in play - you've only had years to improve this aspect of your game)
9 Smith (Fakatava as sub)
8 Sotutu (fuck off Ardie you ruck shy highlights reel)
7 Papalii
6 Akira (bring the hurt Akira or you are to be replaced by Grace)
5 Whitelock (captain)
4 Barrett
3 Fletcher Newell / Tamaiti Williams
2 Samisoni
1 BowerNone of this will happen of course.
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@KiwiMurph I laughed over that Taylor comment. It’s like the “not far off, just a few tweaks” comments we always hear. They are delusional.
@Tim said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@KiwiMurph I laughed over that Taylor comment. It’s like the “not far off, just a few tweaks” comments we always hear. They are delusional.
Taylor would say that.
Because the alternative, that major changes are needed, means he is dropped from the starting 15. -
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
They actually put up the steps they go through up on the feed and I looked at Foul Play and thought oh well it will be a yellow at worst because no one on the planet thinks that's actually foul play. How wrong was I? Jaco obviously saw it as a flying headbutt
Players have just got to be more careful. I saw it and first thought was a definite red card.
@Winger said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
They actually put up the steps they go through up on the feed and I looked at Foul Play and thought oh well it will be a yellow at worst because no one on the planet thinks that's actually foul play. How wrong was I? Jaco obviously saw it as a flying headbutt
Players have just got to be more careful. I saw it and first thought was a definite red card.
He had one step to adjust his body position - maybe less than step one as he was already moving in one direction when Ringrose altered direction.
I'm not disputing the red card under the current rules and interpretations of mitigating factors.
The issue is putting all the emphasis on the tackler to prevent head contact when the attacking players actions are part of the equation that results in accidental head contact being a yellow/red card offence.
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@Tim said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@KiwiMurph I laughed over that Taylor comment. It’s like the “not far off, just a few tweaks” comments we always hear. They are delusional.
Taylor would say that.
Because the alternative, that major changes are needed, means he is dropped from the starting 15.@Frank said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Tim said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@KiwiMurph I laughed over that Taylor comment. It’s like the “not far off, just a few tweaks” comments we always hear. They are delusional.
Taylor would say that.
Because the alternative, that major changes are needed, means he is dropped from the starting 15.Funnily enough it's what Irish said last week, believe a few laughed then too.
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This really is utter shit. It's a calamity of bullshit from the word go. Terrible decision making, absolutely no structure, and some sort of rancid belief that if we just keep throwing miracle balls one will stick and it'll be a magic moment.
No. That is NOT how you compete, let alone win in tests like this. The Ireland defence is far far too strong for that. It's heavily structured, incredibly well drilled, and it doesn't fall for bullshit.
Peyper, has quite rightly, ref'd us off the park.
As is so often the case, the main issue has been leadership. From everywhere. We miss Sam Whitelock so much, he wouldn't stand for this shit. Cane, where are you? What are you doing? Are you even trying to get this shit back under control? It certainly doesn't fucking look like it.
Oh, and the icing. The absolute icing on the cake. All Black management are so fucking thick they didn't know that once Ardie was off, he can't come back in. So he should never have been taken off. In an evening chock full of sackable offences, nothing is more than that one.
Fucking idiots.
@MajorRage said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Ardie was off, he can't come back in
On reflection, somebody had to go when they got back to contested scrums. Not sure of the timing, but one of AS or DP was sitting out the game.
What was fucked up (my broken record) was that they replaced a prop when there was no need as they had GO scrums.
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Clean out time for the 3rd test. (welcome to my fantasy world)
Foster and his entire coaching group fired, replaced by Scott Robertson with Joe Schmidt kept on.Team.
15 Jordie (there for kicking game but better improve decision making pronto - he takes all line kicks following penalties)
14 Will Jordan or Reece
13 Reiko
12 Goodhue
11 Clarke
10 Barrett last chance or to be replaced by Perofeta (Beauden, show us you can kick accurately in play - you've only had years to improve this aspect of your game)
9 Smith (Fakatava as sub)
8 Sotutu (fuck off Ardie you ruck shy highlights reel)
7 Papalii
6 Akira (bring the hurt Akira or you are to be replaced by Grace)
5 Whitelock (captain)
4 Barrett
3 Fletcher Newell / Tamaiti Williams
2 Samisoni
1 BowerNone of this will happen of course.
@Frank said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Clean out time for the 3rd test. (welcome to my fantasy world)
Foster and his entire coaching group fired, replaced by Scott Robertson with Joe Schmidt kept on.Team.
15 Jordie (there for kicking game but better improve decision making pronto - he takes all line kicks following penalties)
14 Will Jordan or Reece
13 Reiko
12 Goodhue
11 Clarke
10 Barrett last chance or to be replaced by Perofeta (Beauden, show us you can kick accurately in play - you've only had years to improve this aspect of your game)
9 Smith (Fakatava as sub)
8 Sotutu (fuck off Ardie you ruck shy highlights reel)
7 Papalii
6 Akira (bring the hurt Akira or you are to be replaced by Grace)
5 Whitelock (captain)
4 Barrett
3 Fletcher Newell / Tamaiti Williams
2 Samisoni
1 BowerNone of this will happen of course.
And then you pick one of the most disappointing players in NZ rugby at 6. Robertson would never select Akira Ioane, the guy is a dud.
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@MajorRage said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Ardie was off, he can't come back in
On reflection, somebody had to go when they got back to contested scrums. Not sure of the timing, but one of AS or DP was sitting out the game.
What was fucked up (my broken record) was that they replaced a prop when there was no need as they had GO scrums.
@booboo said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@MajorRage said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Ardie was off, he can't come back in
On reflection, somebody had to go when they got back to contested scrums. Not sure of the timing, but one of AS or DP was sitting out the game.
What was fucked up (my broken record) was that they replaced a prop when there was no need as they had GO scrums.
As much as we can sit in our armchairs and critique what they did it would have been confusing as fuck on the field trying to figure out all the permutations.
