All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test
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@antipodean okay Ian Foster. Carry on playing Fozzie ball and we’ll continue to lose.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@antipodean okay Ian Foster. Carry on playing Fozzie ball and we’ll continue to lose.
Getting spicy around here.
If we lose next year, we’ll be insulting each others’ mothers.
I hope that the media gives them plenty of shit this week.
It appears that the Cockwomble Irish flanker - who finished the game with worse stats than Cane - did actually insult our skip.
I’m prepared to bet we’ll win by plenty next week.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@antipodean okay Ian Foster. Carry on playing Fozzie ball and we’ll continue to lose.
Getting spicy around here.
If we lose next year, we’ll be insulting each others’ mothers.
I hope that the media gives them plenty of shit this week.
It appears that the Cockwomble Irish flanker - who finished the game with worse stats than Cane - did actually insult our skip.
I’m prepared to bet we’ll win by plenty next week.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@antipodean okay Ian Foster. Carry on playing Fozzie ball and we’ll continue to lose.
I haven't defended Foster's selections, coaching or tactics. But keep thinking "just run it" is a solution against tier one nations now.
"Can't run as fast because heavier" is looking like genuine insight compared to you.
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Can't run as fast because heavier" is looking like genuine insight compared to you.
You mean it isn't a genuine revelation?
I've been had....
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@FakatavaAllBlack said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@mariner4life I think George Bower has been going well , need somebody to step up in the number 3 jersey
My AB motm
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@FakatavaAllBlack said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@mariner4life I think George Bower has been going well , need somebody to step up in the number 3 jersey
My AB motm
He was great, along with Sevu Reece.
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@antipodean I’m not saying ‘just run it’ from anywhere, I’m saying we need to chance our arm more than we are now and actually back our players to exert dominance through a superior skillset, because fuck me we have the players to do it.
I get that kicking is a way of tactically getting through and over modern day defensive lines but when we get well over the advantage line (even from inside our own half) and we have the opposition back pedalling, surely it’s best to keep ball in hand, no?
Something that Mo’unga has in spades over Beauden is the ability to read when to kick vs when to run no matter where his team is on the park.
As an AB fan, I just think kicking is ingrained into our game atm and I feel like we aren’t always making the right decisisons when we have the opposition under the pump.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@antipodean I’m not saying ‘just run it’ from anywhere, I’m saying we need to chance our arm more than we are now and actually back our players to exert dominance through a superior skillset, because fuck me we have the players to do it.
I get that kicking is a way of tactically getting through and over modern day defensive lines but when we get well over the advantage line (even from inside our own half) and we have the opposition back pedalling, surely it’s best to keep ball in hand, no?
Something that Mo’unga has in spades over Beauden is the ability to read when to kick vs when to run no matter where his team is on the park.
As an AB fan, I just think kicking is ingrained into our game atm and I feel like we aren’t always making the right decisisons when we have the opposition under the pump.
Mo’unga for me kicks better, and is more aggressive with his kicking. If you want someone to move you around the park he is better option at 1st.
What gets me about BB is when we have advantage and he goes for the all or nothing play. Don’t get me wrong, in general play BB’s anticipation and skills at speed make him a match winner.
Both get criticism when team goes backward and they can’t bump off a set of loose forwards and run the length of the field like Dan Carter did every week.
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@mofitzy_ said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
There is no shame in losing
Hard disagree. There is and should be.
This Ireland team lost to France. Could point out all the weaknesses in their side but it's been done to death.
France, who everyone reckons is favourite for the RWC? That France?
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@booboo said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
The Ta'avao card, as I said at half time, was the worst application of the head impact laws I have seen.
They actually put up the steps they go through up on the feed and I looked at Foul Play and thought oh well it will be a yellow at worst because no one on the planet thinks that's actually foul play. How wrong was I? Jaco obviously saw it as a flying headbutt.
@booboo said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Will now subject myself to the thread ...
I said at half time I was looking forward to reading the thread, as my mates and I watching the game found the first half so surreal. But I had a look at the end of the match and I straight up couldn't handle the amount of negativity, and I was one of the key drivers of the Hammettuer thread.
I'm not as disappointed by this loss as others, it has a Cardiff 2007 feel to it for me with the first half surreal-ness and the hammering we took from Jaco's whistle (I'll need a rewatch to see if all were deserved etc) so that seems to have lightened the anger for me.
Maybe I'll get shittier as the week goes on? Maybe I'm just mature enough to handle losses (nope that didn't sound right even as I typed it).
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Maybe I'm just mature enough to handle losses (nope that didn't sound right even as I typed it).
I know what you mean. From the other side.
I keep thinking that I should be mature enough to take losses like this (watching on TV), and 2019 SF (at the stadium). But I'm not. I fucking hate it. I'm an immature little shit who can't handle the All Blacks losing.
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@Nepia said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Maybe I'm just mature enough to handle losses (nope that didn't sound right even as I typed it).
I know what you mean. From the other side.
I keep thinking that I should be mature enough to take losses like this (watching on TV), and 2019 SF (at the stadium). But I'm not. I fucking hate it. I'm an immature little shit who can't handle the All Blacks losing.
Fuck the world.@Kruse said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Maybe I'm just mature enough to handle losses (nope that didn't sound right even as I typed it).
I know what you mean. From the other side.
I keep thinking that I should be mature enough to take losses like this (watching on TV), and 2019 SF (at the stadium). But I'm not. I fucking hate it. I'm an immature little shit who can't handle the All Blacks losing.
Fuck the world.Depends how they lose. I get pissed off when they lose and play like shit e.g yesterday.
Losing when they play well is way less painful - still not acceptable, mind
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@booboo these guys don't suddenly start being unco and unable to catch.
It's all linked to preparation, confidence, trust in those around you, knowing the systems...nothing was in sync last night.
As an aside, Ta'avao getting a RC gets a judiciary visit, if he gets a ban from that contact, rugby is even more fuckeded...
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@booboo these guys don't suddenly start being unco and unable to catch.
It's all linked to preparation, confidence, trust in those around you, knowing the systems...nothing was in sync last night.
As an aside, Ta'avao getting a RC gets a judiciary visit, if he gets a ban from that contact, rugby is even more fuckeded...
Reckon his HIA stand down will be longer than the disciplinary one.
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@Kruse said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Maybe I'm just mature enough to handle losses (nope that didn't sound right even as I typed it).
I know what you mean. From the other side.
I keep thinking that I should be mature enough to take losses like this (watching on TV), and 2019 SF (at the stadium). But I'm not. I fucking hate it. I'm an immature little shit who can't handle the All Blacks losing.
Fuck the world.Depends how they lose. I get pissed off when they lose and play like shit e.g yesterday.
Losing when they play well is way less painful - still not acceptable, mind
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Kruse said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Maybe I'm just mature enough to handle losses (nope that didn't sound right even as I typed it).
I know what you mean. From the other side.
I keep thinking that I should be mature enough to take losses like this (watching on TV), and 2019 SF (at the stadium). But I'm not. I fucking hate it. I'm an immature little shit who can't handle the All Blacks losing.
Fuck the world.Depends how they lose. I get pissed off when they lose and play like shit e.g yesterday.
Losing when they play well is way less painful - still not acceptable, mind
Only game I can think of like that was England over here, I think it was 2012? They outplayed us completely and through no fault of our own. Plus my loss insurance was our (English) blindside saying he'd get a silver fern tattoo if they (England) won.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Nepia ha yeah I was sitting there last night thinking what a clusterfuck.
Didnt the ref say we had to send off a loose forward? DP was already off, we arent gonna send off our captain (as much as some would prefer) AS was the only one.
I do find that rule ridiculous, rugby is a contest, and the forward exchange pivotal to it, not to mention the safety aspect, yet they will happily allow a scrum to be underpowered by forcing the team to remove a forward if a prop is binned, rather than let them choose who to remove (ie a wing more than likely)
@taniwharugby Be thankful the ref didn't know the rules in that situation. If he had, you'd have had to remove two players to bring the prop on and be down to 12 men instead of 13.
A lot of talk about lack of a game plan and structure yesterday. But really it was atrocious discipline that cost you that game.
@Ludraman said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Nepia ha yeah I was sitting there last night thinking what a clusterfuck.
Didnt the ref say we had to send off a loose forward? DP was already off, we arent gonna send off our captain (as much as some would prefer) AS was the only one.
I do find that rule ridiculous, rugby is a contest, and the forward exchange pivotal to it, not to mention the safety aspect, yet they will happily allow a scrum to be underpowered by forcing the team to remove a forward if a prop is binned, rather than let them choose who to remove (ie a wing more than likely)
@taniwharugby Be thankful the ref didn't know the rules in that situation. If he had, you'd have had to remove two players to bring the prop on and be down to 12 men instead of 13.
A lot of talk about lack of a game plan and structure yesterday. But really it was atrocious discipline that cost you that game.
I think atrocious discipline is a symptom of a poorly coached team whose "gameplan" is being easily picked off by other teams.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Kruse said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Maybe I'm just mature enough to handle losses (nope that didn't sound right even as I typed it).
I know what you mean. From the other side.
I keep thinking that I should be mature enough to take losses like this (watching on TV), and 2019 SF (at the stadium). But I'm not. I fucking hate it. I'm an immature little shit who can't handle the All Blacks losing.
Fuck the world.Depends how they lose. I get pissed off when they lose and play like shit e.g yesterday.
Losing when they play well is way less painful - still not acceptable, mind
Only game I can think of like that was England over here, I think it was 2012? They outplayed us completely and through no fault of our own. Plus my loss insurance was our (English) blindside saying he'd get a silver fern tattoo if they (England) won.
@Bones said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Kruse said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Maybe I'm just mature enough to handle losses (nope that didn't sound right even as I typed it).
I know what you mean. From the other side.
I keep thinking that I should be mature enough to take losses like this (watching on TV), and 2019 SF (at the stadium). But I'm not. I fucking hate it. I'm an immature little shit who can't handle the All Blacks losing.
Fuck the world.Depends how they lose. I get pissed off when they lose and play like shit e.g yesterday.
Losing when they play well is way less painful - still not acceptable, mind
Only game I can think of like that was England over here, I think it was 2012? They outplayed us completely and through no fault of our own. Plus my loss insurance was our (English) blindside saying he'd get a silver fern tattoo if they (England) won.
OT, but thinking about it, the Ellis Park classic in '13 was the one game when I really didn't care who won after about 5 minutes into the second half. That game was just so damn special to watch.
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@Ludraman said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Nepia ha yeah I was sitting there last night thinking what a clusterfuck.
Didnt the ref say we had to send off a loose forward? DP was already off, we arent gonna send off our captain (as much as some would prefer) AS was the only one.
I do find that rule ridiculous, rugby is a contest, and the forward exchange pivotal to it, not to mention the safety aspect, yet they will happily allow a scrum to be underpowered by forcing the team to remove a forward if a prop is binned, rather than let them choose who to remove (ie a wing more than likely)
@taniwharugby Be thankful the ref didn't know the rules in that situation. If he had, you'd have had to remove two players to bring the prop on and be down to 12 men instead of 13.
A lot of talk about lack of a game plan and structure yesterday. But really it was atrocious discipline that cost you that game.
I think atrocious discipline is a symptom of a poorly coached team whose "gameplan" is being easily picked off by other teams.
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Ludraman said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Nepia ha yeah I was sitting there last night thinking what a clusterfuck.
Didnt the ref say we had to send off a loose forward? DP was already off, we arent gonna send off our captain (as much as some would prefer) AS was the only one.
I do find that rule ridiculous, rugby is a contest, and the forward exchange pivotal to it, not to mention the safety aspect, yet they will happily allow a scrum to be underpowered by forcing the team to remove a forward if a prop is binned, rather than let them choose who to remove (ie a wing more than likely)
@taniwharugby Be thankful the ref didn't know the rules in that situation. If he had, you'd have had to remove two players to bring the prop on and be down to 12 men instead of 13.
A lot of talk about lack of a game plan and structure yesterday. But really it was atrocious discipline that cost you that game.
I think atrocious discipline is a symptom of a poorly coached team whose "gameplan" is being easily picked off by other teams.
Think you have a point as frustration creeps in when things aren't working - which we've seen since 2017. But a lot of it is also down to players taking responsivity themselves as well
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@Bones said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Kruse said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Maybe I'm just mature enough to handle losses (nope that didn't sound right even as I typed it).
I know what you mean. From the other side.
I keep thinking that I should be mature enough to take losses like this (watching on TV), and 2019 SF (at the stadium). But I'm not. I fucking hate it. I'm an immature little shit who can't handle the All Blacks losing.
Fuck the world.Depends how they lose. I get pissed off when they lose and play like shit e.g yesterday.
Losing when they play well is way less painful - still not acceptable, mind
Only game I can think of like that was England over here, I think it was 2012? They outplayed us completely and through no fault of our own. Plus my loss insurance was our (English) blindside saying he'd get a silver fern tattoo if they (England) won.
OT, but thinking about it, the Ellis Park classic in '13 was the one game when I really didn't care who won after about 5 minutes into the second half. That game was just so damn special to watch.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Bones said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Kruse said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Maybe I'm just mature enough to handle losses (nope that didn't sound right even as I typed it).
I know what you mean. From the other side.
I keep thinking that I should be mature enough to take losses like this (watching on TV), and 2019 SF (at the stadium). But I'm not. I fucking hate it. I'm an immature little shit who can't handle the All Blacks losing.
Fuck the world.Depends how they lose. I get pissed off when they lose and play like shit e.g yesterday.
Losing when they play well is way less painful - still not acceptable, mind
Only game I can think of like that was England over here, I think it was 2012? They outplayed us completely and through no fault of our own. Plus my loss insurance was our (English) blindside saying he'd get a silver fern tattoo if they (England) won.
OT, but thinking about it, the Ellis Park classic in '13 was the one game when I really didn't care who won after about 5 minutes into the second half. That game was just so damn special to watch.
Still say that's the best test I seen sice 2000 Victor, I was living in Aus at time and rcall going to bed after it and not being able to sleep, I was on such a high.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
My biggest disappointment in this team is their inability to chance their arm when we have ball in hand. How many times have we gone a couple phases and then aimlessly kicked the ball away? It’s almost ingrained into this team atm, there is no innovation at all.
How about instead of running through the motions we actually chance our arm a little and use the talent at our disposal. The reason the likes of Ardie, Reiko, Jordan, Reece etc are in this side is for their ability to cut teams to shreds, yet we hardly ever spin it wide.
What planet are you on? We constantly spin it wide without going forward first. If this talent was so successful at running around the opposition, why wouldn't we do that all the time and rack up 50 points?
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
My biggest disappointment in this team is their inability to chance their arm when we have ball in hand. How many times have we gone a couple phases and then aimlessly kicked the ball away? It’s almost ingrained into this team atm, there is no innovation at all.
How about instead of running through the motions we actually chance our arm a little and use the talent at our disposal. The reason the likes of Ardie, Reiko, Jordan, Reece etc are in this side is for their ability to cut teams to shreds, yet we hardly ever spin it wide.
What planet are you on? We constantly spin it wide without going forward first. If this talent was so successful at running around the opposition, why wouldn't we do that all the time and rack up 50 points?
This. So this.
Earn the right to spin it. Going forwards or broken play with disjointed opposition.
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@booboo
Point being they aren't all conquering in Europe. Which puts us way down the totem pole if we lose again.@mofitzy_ said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@booboo
Point being they aren't all conquering in Europe. Which puts us way down the totem pole if we lose again.What? Losing to the world number 2 team, who had previously lost to the world number 1 team, does not put you way down there totem pole. It puts you 3rd, or worse. In our case world ranking looks about right, 4th in the world due to the continual poor performances under foster the clown
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@mofitzy_ said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@booboo
Point being they aren't all conquering in Europe. Which puts us way down the totem pole if we lose again.What? Losing to the world number 2 team, who had previously lost to the world number 1 team, does not put you way down there totem pole. It puts you 3rd, or worse. In our case world ranking looks about right, 4th in the world due to the continual poor performances under foster the clown
@Machpants
Accepting being shit is the first step at staying shit. I won't shrug my shoulders because we lost to a team that lost to a team that is likely to win the RWC. If 4thwas overachieving then I'd celebrate it, but is not. It's underachieving with some very obvious causes. -
@antipodean I’m not saying ‘just run it’ from anywhere, I’m saying we need to chance our arm more than we are now and actually back our players to exert dominance through a superior skillset, because fuck me we have the players to do it.
I get that kicking is a way of tactically getting through and over modern day defensive lines but when we get well over the advantage line (even from inside our own half) and we have the opposition back pedalling, surely it’s best to keep ball in hand, no?
Something that Mo’unga has in spades over Beauden is the ability to read when to kick vs when to run no matter where his team is on the park.
As an AB fan, I just think kicking is ingrained into our game atm and I feel like we aren’t always making the right decisisons when we have the opposition under the pump.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@antipodean I’m not saying ‘just run it’ from anywhere, I’m saying we need to chance our arm more than we are now and actually back our players to exert dominance through a superior skillset, because fuck me we have the players to do it.
I get that kicking is a way of tactically getting through and over modern day defensive lines but when we get well over the advantage line (even from inside our own half) and we have the opposition back pedalling, surely it’s best to keep ball in hand, no?
Something that Mo’unga has in spades over Beauden is the ability to read when to kick vs when to run no matter where his team is on the park.
As an AB fan, I just think kicking is ingrained into our game atm and I feel like we aren’t always making the right decisisons when we have the opposition under the pump.
Look I agree that we kick poorly. Especially Barrett's open play kicking seems aimless or poorly directed. Made worse by what appears to be a very average chase.
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@Machpants
Accepting being shit is the first step at staying shit. I won't shrug my shoulders because we lost to a team that lost to a team that is likely to win the RWC. If 4thwas overachieving then I'd celebrate it, but is not. It's underachieving with some very obvious causes.@mofitzy_ said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Machpants
Accepting being shit is the first step at staying shit. I won't shrug my shoulders because we lost to a team that lost to a team that is likely to win the RWC. If 4thwas overachieving then I'd celebrate it, but is not. It's underachieving with some very obvious causes.I don't accept it, but It is a fact, the ABs are shit. They are that bad under foster. So a loss to Ireland, who lost to France, didn't put us further down the totem pole, it confirms where we are. And where will stay until foster finally fucks off after the RWC, any coach would do better.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
as it always seems a loosie goes off, I assumed it was a rule whereby a forward had to leave.
Yeah but like I said, who's the ref to say who's a forward and who's a back? That would be weird.
