All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test

stodders

@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

2020/2021/2022 Pfff.... I am numb. So we badly lost to Ireland in NZ. We lost to an underdone Argentinian side in Aussie. You accepted that. I give you guys a couple of days before this is swept under the carpet.

I don't think ppl are accepting it. I think we're at the apathy stage, because the NZRU won't do anything. So you numb the pain in the hope that it won't go on for longer than it has to.

You'd best hope the ABs don't fluke a WC win

antipodean

How in the flying fuck could you watch SR this year and decide that Sotutu is third rate compared to Ardie and PGS?

antipodean

@stodders said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

You'd best hope the ABs don't fluke a WC win

Foster retires and McLeod steps up as head coach based on experience and continuity. New Zealand goes on to lose to emerging nations USA and Canada.

gt12

@antipodean said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

How in the flying fuck could you watch SR this year and decide that Sotutu is third rate compared to Ardie and PGS?

His selection sums up the fucked up selectorial gymnastics these guys are going through.

mariner4life

@gt12 said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

@antipodean said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

How in the flying fuck could you watch SR this year and decide that Sotutu is third rate compared to Ardie and PGS?

His selection sums up the fucked up selectorial gymnastics these guys are going through.

Bro Ardie savea is like 2nd in the world bro!!!

Got nothing for PGS who ust makes the same errors he does at super level

Our pack is fucked because we just will not drop sacred cows

gt12

@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

@gt12 said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

@antipodean said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

How in the flying fuck could you watch SR this year and decide that Sotutu is third rate compared to Ardie and PGS?

His selection sums up the fucked up selectorial gymnastics these guys are going through.

Bro Ardie savea is like 2nd in the world bro!!!

Got nothing for PGS who ust makes the same errors he does at super level

Our pack is fucked because we just will not drop sacred cows

And, when it mattered at Super level PGS went missing, so he is just the right player to back up Ardie at 8 for the ABs.

MiketheSnow

I love the Fern

Try losing 3, 4, 5 in a row, then get worried

This is the week to see if Fat Boy Slim can coach

If you get pumped again next week and lose the series, that’s when it’s a National Disaster

Until then you’re still the envy of the rugby world

Old Samurai Jack

@MiketheSnow F3$K off with your Welsh standards. It has been a national disaster for a few years.

kiwi_expat

@antipodean said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

@gt12 said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

Can anyone define how the ABs play?

Yes. A static pod doing their level best to negate any benefit of Aaron's pass. And even then they manage to fuck cleaning out and securing the ball quickly.

Joe Schmidt showed the ABs how to beat Ireland last week, chuck numbers into the breakdown and never allow them quick ball. Ian Foster comes back and it's straight out the window.

ACT Crusader

@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

Our problem gents is

If you ever had to go through performance management of an employee you wanted to get rid of

Tonight we have

A terrible yellow card to a winger trying to charge a kick
A prop having an all time shit test
A prop getting red carded despite nearly knocking himself out

That geys very hard to say justified dismissal

What about
-~~players out of position~~ every AB coach in the last 30 years has done that
-~~gamebreakers on bench~~ some definitely have been and others more positional options
-~~doesn't know sub rules~~ neither did the officials or senior players it seems
-doesn't proactively create new team strategies - I see you got some management speak in there with a useless adverb like “proactively”. You either do something or you don’t.
-~~doesn't use bench at right time~~ go back through the annuls of TSF and you will find test matches where we have bemoaned bench use.
-relies on BB kicking at the wrong times and in the wrong places - BB’s kicking is definitely an issue
-loses to all sorts of records - legacy means something for sure
-has terrible winning record - haven’t seen the stats comparing his record to others. It can’t be good.
-~~name a player who has improved under his coaching (Bower? Not improved under Crusaders?)~~ - what happens under the ABs can’t be looked at in isolation. That’s simply not how it works. People might bring up the Nonu example but he was still a damn good rugby player with the Canes, Blues, Landers and kept improving there.

So a couple of sackable offences in there I guess

gt12

@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

I love the Fern

Try losing 3, 4, 5 in a row, then get worried

This is the week to see if Fat Boy Slim can coach

If you get pumped again next week and lose the series, that’s when it’s a National Disaster

Until then you’re still the envy of the rugby world

If we get pumped again next week, even I'll make pop-corn.

We could see the greatest ever @Tim rant, and @mariner4life is clearly still far too sober (the Ardie Savea is Messam from Wish thing was fucking gold though)

Frye

@gt12 said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

@FakatavaAllBlack said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

@kiwi_expat I wish Razor was appointed coach

I'm sure that if he wanted to be an AB assistant, he would be.

I know that this is pure 100% speculation, but this is an AB loss and everyone deserves a turn at the fucking woodshed.

I can see why we might be better off with him there, don't get me wrong.

However, I'll bet that if he wanted to be there as part of the team, he had the opportunity and turned it down.

So, if he is looking at the situation and thinking, I could help, then the obvious answer is why aren't you already there? It's because you only wanted the top job.

Now, assuming I'm wrong and Fozzie didn't want to bring him in, we return to my previous point, which is to fire the fluffybunnies at the boardroom.

However, I'm not prepared to blow Robertson when he could have been there right now trying to help this team get better.

Fuck that. Help the team through a rough patch and the fishheads would surely credit Foster and pat themselves on the back for reappointing the fat fluffy bunny. And if you don't manage to right the ship (because y'know you don't have head coach control) you risk being tarred with the Foster clown brush.

Robertson deserves to be head coach, if we lose this series the drum beats will be deafening.

mencey

@Frye said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

@gt12 said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

@FakatavaAllBlack said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

@kiwi_expat I wish Razor was appointed coach

Robertson deserves to be head coach, if we lose this series the drum beats will be deafening.

Spot on, he is exactly what is needed. and I am a Hurricanes Fan. LOL

gt12

@Frye said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

@gt12 said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

@FakatavaAllBlack said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

@kiwi_expat I wish Razor was appointed coach

I'm sure that if he wanted to be an AB assistant, he would be.

I know that this is pure 100% speculation, but this is an AB loss and everyone deserves a turn at the fucking woodshed.

I can see why we might be better off with him there, don't get me wrong.

However, I'll bet that if he wanted to be there as part of the team, he had the opportunity and turned it down.

So, if he is looking at the situation and thinking, I could help, then the obvious answer is why aren't you already there? It's because you only wanted the top job.

Now, assuming I'm wrong and Fozzie didn't want to bring him in, we return to my previous point, which is to fire the fluffybunnies at the boardroom.

However, I'm not prepared to blow Robertson when he could have been there right now trying to help this team get better.

Fuck that. Help the team through a rough patch and the fishheads would surely credit Foster and pat themselves on the back for reappointing the fat fluffy bunny. And if you don't manage to right the ship (because y'know you don't have head coach control) you risk being tarred with the Foster clown brush.

Robertson deserves to be head coach, if we lose this series the drum beats will be deafening.

Don't get me wrong, I'd sack foster and appoint Robertson with Jason Ryan, and let him choose his other assistants too.

However, I'm not going to 100% forgive him for not accepting an assistant's position in the past, either with Foster or Joseph.

If he'd have signed up with Joseph and Brown, I think they'd be the coaches right now.

I feel the same way about Joseph, to be honest.

BerniesCorner

@gt12 yeah nah

BerniesCorner

Back to basics first

Your captain has to be an automatic pick for a position.
You can't trust a back.
They have to have experience.
They must like to captain.
Do they command respect.
Our short term goal is the WC.

That leaves Whitelock , am I missing something?

mofitzy_

@MrDenmore said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

What has Foster achieved? What players has he developed? What innovations has he introduced? He has done nothing but made excuses and wrecked the careers of several players.

I don’t buy the ‘we lack the cattle’ line. The NZ-born players in the Irish team were mostly journeymen before they migrated. Coaching and strategy and leadership make the difference.

NZ has none of that. In the meantime, Foster, with the support of an incompetent leadership at NZ rugby are trashing one of the world’s leading sports brands.

Travesty.

Meanwhile some complain that Robertson supposedly didn't want to work under him.

Fark off.

Foster is a reverse Midas, better to keep away from him and maintain your reputation.

I don't care if the problems are wider or deeper. Every journey starts with a first step and sending Foster out to pasture is a giant leap for AB-kind.

nostrildamus

@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

Our problem gents is

If you ever had to go through performance management of an employee you wanted to get rid of

Tonight we have

A terrible yellow card to a winger trying to charge a kick
A prop having an all time shit test
A prop getting red carded despite nearly knocking himself out

That geys very hard to say justified dismissal

What about
-~~players out of position~~ every AB coach in the last 30 years has done that
-~~gamebreakers on bench~~ some definitely have been and others more positional options
-~~doesn't know sub rules~~ neither did the officials or senior players it seems
-doesn't proactively create new team strategies - I see you got some management speak in there with a useless adverb like “proactively”. You either do something or you don’t.
-~~doesn't use bench at right time~~ go back through the annuls of TSF and you will find test matches where we have bemoaned bench use.
-relies on BB kicking at the wrong times and in the wrong places - BB’s kicking is definitely an issue
-loses to all sorts of records - legacy means something for sure
-has terrible winning record - haven’t seen the stats comparing his record to others. It can’t be good.
-~~name a player who has improved under his coaching (Bower? Not improved under Crusaders?)~~ - what happens under the ABs can’t be looked at in isolation. That’s simply not how it works. People might bring up the Nonu example but he was still a damn good rugby player with the Canes, Blues, Landers and kept improving there.

So a couple of sackable offences in there I guess

proactively: (of a person or action) creating or controlling a situation rather than just responding to it after it has happened.

Not just management speak, Actual English language.

As to the rest, sure it has happened before.

But I wasn't responding to "what is unique here" but "That geys very hard to say justified dismissal"

let me put it another way for you, we are further from RWC winning potential than when we lost to England. We have stagnated.

pakman

@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

@Kirwan 3 minutes and 25 seconds after Ofa’s. ABs win with 13 men.

Shame on you for that jinx.

pakman

@mikedogz said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

I learnt today that the TMO has an assistant TMO and they have 11 screens to look at. Club ref today said he got to sit in room.

Who monitors the performance of TMO, and what plays he chooses to highlight? This is becoming a game changing issue.

The Silver Fern

All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test