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Blues 2023

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  • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

    @Kirwan It's not mutually exclusive. All of the above can be true.

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    @KiwiMurph Yes, and it can also be true that the criticism of BB is now just a mental groove with people just repeating the same thing every week despite what he does on the field.

    All the tens are doing these stupid bombs, it's clearly the tactic of the year. Only one is getting constant criticism about it. (Note the word constant).

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    • KirwanK Kirwan

      @KiwiMurph Yes, and it can also be true that the criticism of BB is now just a mental groove with people just repeating the same thing every week despite what he does on the field.

      All the tens are doing these stupid bombs, it's clearly the tactic of the year. Only one is getting constant criticism about it. (Note the word constant).

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      @Kirwan said in Blues 2023:

      All the tens are doing these stupid bombs

      Are they? In that situation?

      People are repeating the same thing because he keeps playing poorly.

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      • CrucialC Crucial

        @Kirwan said in Blues 2023:

        All the tens are doing these stupid bombs

        Are they? In that situation?

        People are repeating the same thing because he keeps playing poorly.

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        @Crucial yes, in similar situations and against weaker teams.

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        • KirwanK Kirwan

          @KiwiMurph Yes, and it can also be true that the criticism of BB is now just a mental groove with people just repeating the same thing every week despite what he does on the field.

          All the tens are doing these stupid bombs, it's clearly the tactic of the year. Only one is getting constant criticism about it. (Note the word constant).

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          @Kirwan said in Blues 2023:

          Only one is getting constant criticism about it. (Note the word constant).

          Mo'unga has been constantly criticised all year on here.

          If DMac played all year like he did vs Reds he would be constantly criticised too.

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            We’ll see. That’s not my reading of the threads this year.

            BB was criticised for not taking on the line in a game recently, and that’s how he set up one of the trys. A lot of good stuff is being ignored.

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            • KirwanK Kirwan

              We’ll see. That’s not my reading of the threads this year.

              BB was criticised for not taking on the line in a game recently, and that’s how he set up one of the trys. A lot of good stuff is being ignored.

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              @Kirwan Beauden has been heavily criticised on here for most of the year and rightfully so, to be blunt he's been average at best for the Blues and he's failed to execute to the high standards that are expected of a player like him for most of the campaign.

              I think a lot of us know how deadly he can be when he takes on the line because it opens up space around him for other players to take advantage of. We saw glimpses of his running game against the Crusaders when he finally decided to stop kicking aimlessly and the Blues started to reap the benefits, infact they looked like a team that was capable of knocking over the Crusaders, but probably left it a little too late.

              He needs to keep that attacking mindset going into the playoffs. The Blues have weapons all over the park so it's upto Beauden as key playmaker to make sure the right players are getting the ball, especially in the red zone when it matters most.

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                https://www.rugbypass.com/news/the-astonishing-stat-that-shows-what-beauden-barrett-is-really-doing/

                With one final chance at the Rugby World Cup later this year, Barrett has to be forgiven for working to a clear preservation plan to get him there.
                
                There is one stat in particular that indicates clearly what is going on with Barrett this season.
                
                With nine games of Super Rugby and 720 minutes of action played, he has made just 20 tackles all season. That is one every 36 minutes, almost a half a game of rugby.
                
                He went through one fixture against the Hurricanes in round three without logging a single tackle or tackle attempt.
                
                Combined with the most kicks in the competition it is clear Barrett is working to a plan to come through this Super Rugby season unscathed.
                

                Are those tackle stats accurate?

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                  Even if they aren’t, it speaks to something that Duluth was pointing out earlier where wasn’t taking on the line much. He’s started doing that recently, but it’s clear hes minimising contact.

                  For the ABs, in a World Cup year that’s great. For the Blues and Super Rugby as viable comp, less so.

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                    Same reason I hate the AB resting.

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                    • KirwanK Kirwan

                      @nostrildamus It's cute you put so much stock in Marc Hinton's opinion, I'm more interested in Leon's.

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                      @Kirwan said in Blues 2023:

                      @nostrildamus It's cute you put so much stock in Marc Hinton's opinion, I'm more interested in Leon's.

                      Hinton was quoting the coach and extrapolating. You can argue with his extrapolation but I'm just quoting the actual article.
                      Actually, I think it is cute that you defend BB. Even though he played well tonight the backline this season has stuttered and placekicking is primarily the 10's role. BB should be a seasoned field general by now if he wants to be a regular AB 10.

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                        Still going on that huh? Like I said before, I don’t care about journalist’s opinions, it was silly of you to quote it.

                        Just take the L.

                        As for BB, over the last month he’s started running, and the backline looks great when he does. There have been another couple of articles since that one where it’s clear that he’s on a scheduled ramp up of his involvements.

                        I don’t agree with how they ABs get managed like that, but it makes your criticism look, at best, completely ignorant.

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                          I was at the Blues v Reds game last night. Much better from BB. More direct and picked out his runners really well.

                          One thing I noticed was how much talking Zarn Sullivan does. He was constantly yelling instructions to BB telling him what the Reds wingers and fullback were doing.

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                            A foot injury was cited as the reason for Barrett's early exit, however while an update from the Blues as to its severity will come, MacDonald can breathe a sigh of relief that his first-five hasn't suffered an injury to his knees, or previously troublesome Achilles.

                            "Beauden came off with a gash to his heel," MacDonald clarified. "He'll need some stitches in that.

                            "He couldn't put his boot back on basically."

                            https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/sport/2023/05/super-rugby-pacific-blues-ease-beauden-barrett-long-term-injury-fears-after-all-blacks-star-s-early-exit-against-reds.html

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                              https://twitter.com/nzrugbydatabase/status/1662381375461429248?s=20

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                                https://twitter.com/nzrugbydatabase/status/1662381375461429248?s=20

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                                @Tim still blows my mind that you have more tries for ABs than Provincial team. Just shows how little NPC sees of All Blacks

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                                  @Tim still blows my mind that you have more tries for ABs than Provincial team. Just shows how little NPC sees of All Blacks

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                                  @nzzp said in Blues 2023:

                                  @Tim still blows my mind that you have more tries for ABs than Provincial team. Just shows how little NPC sees of All Blacks

                                  Rok was one of the strangest examples of that. He had ~20 Tests before he made his NPC debut

                                  Auckland debut in 2004 after playing for the ABs in 2003 & the early 2004 Tests

                                  He scored 85 points in 2003 for the AB's and scored a total of 80 points for Auckland

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                                    https://www.instagram.com/p/Cs0KCppyHMo/

                                    350090855_651063663020354_6878968957802911238_n.jpg

                                    The Blues posted an all time Samoan side on instagram (Samoan language week I think?)

                                    Not bad. They ran out of Hookers though.

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                                      Not a bad side when you have bench players like Papalii, Luatua, Laulala, Afoa and Toeava!

                                      Pity there's no room for Brian Lima

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                                      • CrucialC Crucial

                                        Not a bad side when you have bench players like Papalii, Luatua, Laulala, Afoa and Toeava!

                                        Pity there's no room for Brian Lima

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                                        @Crucial said in Blues 2023:

                                        Not a bad side when you have bench players like Papalii, Luatua, Laulala, Afoa and Toeava!

                                        Pity there's no room for Brian Lima

                                        Nonu & SBW too

                                        Other players did more in a Blues jersey though

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                                        • DuluthD Duluth

                                          @Crucial said in Blues 2023:

                                          Not a bad side when you have bench players like Papalii, Luatua, Laulala, Afoa and Toeava!

                                          Pity there's no room for Brian Lima

                                          Nonu & SBW too

                                          Other players did more in a Blues jersey though

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                                          @Duluth said in Blues 2023:

                                          @Crucial said in Blues 2023:

                                          Not a bad side when you have bench players like Papalii, Luatua, Laulala, Afoa and Toeava!

                                          Pity there's no room for Brian Lima

                                          Nonu & SBW too

                                          Other players did more in a Blues jersey though

                                          I'd still chuck Ma'a into 12 and move Rieko to the wing.

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