Māori All Blacks v Ireland 2
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@taniwharugby not sure but why has he suddenly gone as most of other starting 23 included again and zarn was 1 of our best in first game can't remember him getting injured?
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This is a microcosm of the problems in NZ Rugby at the moment - coaches not willing to make a tough call. This selection makes the Maori team look less like a high performance team and more like a under age team where everyone gets to play. Suofoa, Poihipi and Zarn all get canned... for what reason exactly? So Prinsep can get a game? Perenara starts over Weber why? As a thank you for his service to NZ rugby?
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This is a microcosm of the problems in NZ Rugby at the moment - coaches not willing to make a tough call. This selection makes the Maori team look less like a high performance team and more like a under age team where everyone gets to play. Suofoa, Poihipi and Zarn all get canned... for what reason exactly? So Prinsep can get a game? Perenara starts over Weber why? As a thank you for his service to NZ rugby?
@KiwiMurph said in Māori All Blacks v Ireland 2:
This is a microcosm of the problems in NZ Rugby at the moment - coaches not willing to make a tough call. This selection makes the Maori team look less like a high performance team and more like a under age team where everyone gets to play. Suofoa, Poihipi and Zarn all get canned... for what reason exactly? So Prinsep can get a game? Perenara starts over Weber why? As a thank you for his service to NZ rugby?
I don't think this team is run like that. It's essentially a Baabass style team with all players being given a go.
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@KiwiMurph said in Māori All Blacks v Ireland 2:
This is a microcosm of the problems in NZ Rugby at the moment - coaches not willing to make a tough call. This selection makes the Maori team look less like a high performance team and more like a under age team where everyone gets to play. Suofoa, Poihipi and Zarn all get canned... for what reason exactly? So Prinsep can get a game? Perenara starts over Weber why? As a thank you for his service to NZ rugby?
I don't think this team is run like that. It's essentially a Baabass style team with all players being given a go.
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@Nepia It should be playing low tier teams then, not Ireland.
It can't be treated as a professional team and managed like a social side.
@Tim said in Māori All Blacks v Ireland 2:
@Nepia It should be playing low tier teams then, not Ireland.
It can't be treated as a professional team and managed like a social side.
I think that if it was NZA instead of the Maori team it would be run the same way. They want to see as many players as possible. (Not saying I agree or disagree with it, just saying this is how I think the teams are directed).
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@Tim said in Māori All Blacks v Ireland 2:
@Nepia It should be playing low tier teams then, not Ireland.
It can't be treated as a professional team and managed like a social side.
I think that if it was NZA instead of the Maori team it would be run the same way. They want to see as many players as possible. (Not saying I agree or disagree with it, just saying this is how I think the teams are directed).
@Nepia said in Māori All Blacks v Ireland 2:
I think that if it was NZA instead of the Maori team it would be run the same way. They want to see as many players as possible.
The idea of seeing as many players as possible I could get on board with if they didn't select no hopers like Prinsep and Apisai. Why not try Howden at 6? Another one who isn't even in the 23.
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There was always going to be some rotation. Who misses out across the 2 games? Nock might be the only player.
Interesting that Dickson isn't in the 23, so must still be with the ABs and/or baby-watch.
@Bovidae Nocks partner had a baby last week, so will have been unavailble for part of the build up anyway...and with TJ & Webber, you wonder why they went to him knowing he'd possibly be unavailable (especially if she was overdue)
Was funny he re-posted a picture of himself training prior to the 1st Maori match, and his comment was 'foodbill'
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@Bovidae Nocks partner had a baby last week, so will have been unavailble for part of the build up anyway...and with TJ & Webber, you wonder why they went to him knowing he'd possibly be unavailable (especially if she was overdue)
Was funny he re-posted a picture of himself training prior to the 1st Maori match, and his comment was 'foodbill'
@taniwharugby Nock did lead the haka, so they put him to some use.
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@Nepia said in Māori All Blacks v Ireland 2:
I think that if it was NZA instead of the Maori team it would be run the same way. They want to see as many players as possible.
The idea of seeing as many players as possible I could get on board with if they didn't select no hopers like Prinsep and Apisai. Why not try Howden at 6? Another one who isn't even in the 23.
@KiwiMurph said in Māori All Blacks v Ireland 2:
@Nepia said in Māori All Blacks v Ireland 2:
I think that if it was NZA instead of the Maori team it would be run the same way. They want to see as many players as possible.
The idea of seeing as many players as possible I could get on board with if they didn't select no hopers like Prinsep and Apisai. Why not try Howden at 6? Another one who isn't even in the 23.
Can't argue with that.
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@Nepia It should be playing low tier teams then, not Ireland.
It can't be treated as a professional team and managed like a social side.
@Tim said in Māori All Blacks v Ireland 2:
@Nepia It should be playing low tier teams then, not Ireland.
It can't be treated as a professional team and managed like a social side.
Well Baabaas play tier 1 teams, and do similar. I understand more or less as Nepia says that's how Maoris has always been picked whether we like it or not.
I can understand the angst of leaving out some of those bloody good performers from 1st game, but I think the Maoris should stick to how they normally do things really. Though I agree like to see Howden etc play, but I think also would depend on how things go in camp? -
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My assumption based on this team is that they've probably promised everyone selected in the Maori squad initially will get game time at some point, but I could be wrong.
That's why even though for example Zarn was superb in the first game, Josh Moorby has been handed the 15 jersey.
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My assumption based on this team is that they've probably promised everyone selected in the Maori squad initially will get game time at some point, but I could be wrong.
That's why even though for example Zarn was superb in the first game, Josh Moorby has been handed the 15 jersey.
@Canes4life said in Māori All Blacks v Ireland 2:
My assumption based on this team is that they've probably promised everyone selected in the Maori squad initially will get game time at some point, but I could be wrong.
McMillan says that:
“The first match was really special, with nine debutants up against Ireland and this week the remaining three debutant players get that same opportunity to represent not only the team but their whānau and their iwi.”
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@Crucial it's one of the worst days we've had in a long time in Wellington today. Very windy and stormy out there at the moment, hopefully it dies down by kick off.
@Canes4life said in Māori All Blacks v Ireland 2:
@Crucial it's one of the worst days we've had in a long time in Wellington today. Very windy and stormy out there at the moment, hopefully it dies down by kick off.
Yeah, I have come into work prepared to stay for the game with fingers crossed but if it stays like this I don't think I will be the only one to head home.
The weather will curtail the play so I don't expect to see the same entertainment as last game.
If there looks to be a few Irish supporters around there's always the option of joining any fun at a pub or the stadium concourse
