All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider
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@JC said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Seriously guys, who is our centre cover? Surely not Jordie…
Reece?
He’s actually not that bad at it in a poor man’s Snakey sort of mould.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@JC said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Seriously guys, who is our centre cover? Surely not Jordie…
Reece?
He’s actually not that bad at it in a poor man’s Snakey sort of mould.
Jordie is ok at 13 you mean? Sure. I just think they shouldn't juggle him around too many positions. FB, wing, 12, 10 cover, now 13 cover?
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That press conference really annoys me.
Not one person asked about Hoskins.
Sick work nz journos.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
That press conference really annoys me.
Not one person asked about Hoskins.
Sick work nz journos.
Unless these have changed often the journos just ask generic questions in the open press conference but save other questions for their one-on-one to get a scoop. But based on some articles I've read just regurgitating quotes usually proves how lazy/useless they are.
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@JC said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Seriously guys, who is our centre cover? Surely not Jordie…
Reece?
He’s actually not that bad at it in a poor man’s Snakey sort of mould.
Jordie is ok at 13 you mean? Sure. I just think they shouldn't juggle him around too many positions. FB, wing, 12, 10 cover, now 13 cover?
If ST was dumped for Taylor I will not know what to say.
Taylor is missing impact, passes, tackles... seems to have slipped mightily since a few years ago.I'm not so upset about Hoskins, a fine 8 in the making but it is getting to the stage where I worry this ABs setup will give him some bad habits...
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
That press conference really annoys me.
Not one person asked about Hoskins.
Sick work nz journos.
It's so frustrating. Most of the questions are about feelings.. you can tell the stories are pre-written and they are just after a quote that matches the tone
It's not just a question about Sotutu. Are there any injuries in the squad? How far away is Clarke? Who is covering 13? etc
@Duluth probably have questions vetted prior, I mean did anyone mention Ireland have never won a series in NZ, I mean some only found out they'd never won here before, so ideally they shouldn't need the obvious pointing out, but...
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If we lose , is it possible to move out of the top 4 rankings ?
Can you imagine that ? an allblack team not in the top 4 teams in the world .
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
If we lose , is it possible to move out of the top 4 rankings ?
Can you imagine that ? an allblack team not in the top 4 teams in the world .
Haven't read through all the responses yet, but... short answer is YES.
If Ireland thump us, and England thump Australia - we drop to 5th, England to 4th.
I can't remember the points difference defining a "thumping"... more than 15 points? -
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
If we lose , is it possible to move out of the top 4 rankings ?
Can you imagine that ? an allblack team not in the top 4 teams in the world .
Haven't read through all the responses yet, but... short answer is YES.
If Ireland thump us, and England thump Australia - we drop to 5th, England to 4th.
I can't remember the points difference defining a "thumping"... more than 15 points?@Kruse said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
If we lose , is it possible to move out of the top 4 rankings ?
Can you imagine that ? an allblack team not in the top 4 teams in the world .
Haven't read through all the responses yet, but... short answer is YES.
If Ireland thump us, and England thump Australia - we drop to 5th, England to 4th.
I can't remember the points difference defining a "thumping"... more than 15 points?I put in 12-30 loses of Oz and NZ
1 (↑2) Ireland 90.65 (+1.86)
2 (↓1) France 89.41
3 (-0) South Africa 88.61
4 (↑5) England 86.81 (+1.67)
5 (↓4) New Zealand 86.31 (-1.86)
6 (↑7) Scotland 82.99
7 (↓6) Australia 81.61 (-1.67) -
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
If we lose , is it possible to move out of the top 4 rankings ?
Can you imagine that ? an allblack team not in the top 4 teams in the world .
Haven't read through all the responses yet, but... short answer is YES.
If Ireland thump us, and England thump Australia - we drop to 5th, England to 4th.
I can't remember the points difference defining a "thumping"... more than 15 points?@Kruse I just jumped on lassenpickandgo as he had a calculator on there which you could chuck results in.and would tell you but looks like that site is another victim of Covid, not been updated since 2020.
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@Duluth probably have questions vetted prior, I mean did anyone mention Ireland have never won a series in NZ, I mean some only found out they'd never won here before, so ideally they shouldn't need the obvious pointing out, but...
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Duluth probably have questions vetted prior, I mean did anyone mention Ireland have never won a series in NZ, I mean some only found out they'd never won here before, so ideally they shouldn't need the obvious pointing out, but...
Really. Didn't know that.
Shucks, I thought it was all about the jersey and the mana. -
If we lose this game, if we lose this series, I can't see how Foster can continue as AB coach. He will have zero credibility with the players and fans. His job is on the line this weekend.
@sparky said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
If we lose this game, if we lose this series, I can't see how Foster can continue as AB coach. He will have zero credibility with the players and fans. His job is on the line this weekend.
NZR have been very quiet, haven't they?
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@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Dan54 Big Grace fan (as you can see from previous posts) and I think Sotutu and Grace should be in the ABs as specialist No.8s competing for the position against each other. But you'd think Sotutu would get a go first and foremost if they were taking this line of thought? His SR form was great (he had a big improvement in physicality), his No.8 skills off the back of the scrum are exceptional... and yet he hasn't been sighted.
Yep and Grace didn't really come on until end of season, so Sotutu got the jump. Think perhaps also PGS also had a big impact earlier in Super than Grace. Regardless I really think at this stage Ardie is just about our best player and he is (whether some like it or not) 8 too. I was on Grace bandwagon big time a couple of years back, and he seemed to of not really come on until second late in super rugby, and think somehow that Super final may just be his breakout performance that will set him up, though I suspect could be after WC that he really cements spot.
@Dan54 said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Dan54 Big Grace fan (as you can see from previous posts) and I think Sotutu and Grace should be in the ABs as specialist No.8s competing for the position against each other. But you'd think Sotutu would get a go first and foremost if they were taking this line of thought? His SR form was great (he had a big improvement in physicality), his No.8 skills off the back of the scrum are exceptional... and yet he hasn't been sighted.
Yep and Grace didn't really come on until end of season, so Sotutu got the jump. Think perhaps also PGS also had a big impact earlier in Super than Grace. Regardless I really think at this stage Ardie is just about our best player and he is (whether some like it or not) 8 too. I was on Grace bandwagon big time a couple of years back, and he seemed to of not really come on until second late in super rugby, and think somehow that Super final may just be his breakout performance that will set him up, though I suspect could be after WC that he really cements spot.
I reckon there might have been a few changes if Fozzie had named his squad after the Super Rugby final. Grace might have pushed PGS and Fozzie might have looked again at the Crusaders tighthead props. Those are places I'd be looking at for the next squad.
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@Kruse I just jumped on lassenpickandgo as he had a calculator on there which you could chuck results in.and would tell you but looks like that site is another victim of Covid, not been updated since 2020.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Kruse I just jumped on lassenpickandgo as he had a calculator on there which you could chuck results in.and would tell you but looks like that site is another victim of Covid, not been updated since 2020.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Kruse I just jumped on lassenpickandgo as he had a calculator on there which you could chuck results in.and would tell you but looks like that site is another victim of Covid, not been updated since 2020.
@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Kruse I just jumped on lassenpickandgo as he had a calculator on there which you could chuck results in.and would tell you but looks like that site is another victim of Covid, not been updated since 2020.
That’s the one I looked at. Easier to use than Lassen. You just have to use a NH calendar
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Pretty predictable team.
I wonder if Jack Goodhue isn't fully fit or whether Fozzie's just preferred Havili - who from what I've seen is a better kicking option than Jack.
Will Jordan in for Big Leicester improves that aspect as well. (FLASH AH, AHHHH....)!!!
As with others, ST and RTS (non) selections are pretty surprising. Otherwise it's pretty predictable. Sotutu not getting a run is a bit unfortunate, but I can see why they want Ardie on the field.
Even as a Mo'unga fan, I wonder whether they should have given Perofeta his spot on the bench. I don't really hold with the idea of tactically substituting your first five and Perofeta sufficiently covers first five in case of injury.
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Our forwards have been problematic for three years. Plumtree has never coached a dominant forward pack. How he leads the AB's in this area is bemusing. Our loose trio has been out of balance and will continue to be until we pick a genuine number 8. Ardie is not an 8 and goes missing in his core role. We need an 8 that can get us over the gain-line from static ball & shift bodies at the breakdown. Barrett at 6 and Cane at 7 is a requirement when you have an 8 like Ardie. Pick him at 7 if we think he is the best openside (I personally don't think he is) but let's get an 8 that can perform the core role required.
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so i assume the presser hasn't happened
what does selection tell us?
Little change to the pack means the same tactics there i imagine.
Havili in means probably as much if not more kicking, just by someone else.@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Havili in means probably as much if not more aimless kicking, just by someone else.
Fixed
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Haven't read the thread yet. I'm going to calmly go back and read now and see Taukieaho is unavailable, right?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/129271632/all-blacks-new-cap-roger-tuivasasheck-gets-coachs-nod-for-confidence-and-calmness#comments
" What that tells Havili is that he will not play 80min. "I'd have thought Havili might need to be fb cover in case the backline needs shuffling, sure Jordan can replace JB but who would replace a winger? Don't tell me JB is wing as well as midfield cover!??
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
If ST was dumped for Taylor I will not know what to say.
Taylor is missing impact, passes, tackles... seems to have slipped mightily since a few years ago.I'm not so upset about Hoskins, a fine 8 in the making but it is getting to the stage where I worry this ABs setup will give him some bad habits...
Looks like he was “dumped” for Coles given Taylor is in the same spot he has been all series…
Just on Taylor, his attack was okay in Test 1. Thought his throwing and support play was starting to come good. His tight work wasn’t where we needed it and then he was shocking last weekend. And Sami wasn’t great either. Only front rower that played okay was Bower I thought.
Anyway I have a little bit of faith that he will come out with a bit of fire and step up.
I never thought Sotutu would get a start in this series but thought he may have been a bench option, but they clearly like the Dalton option.
