The Current State of Rugby
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The TMO stuff would be more bearable if it wasn't for all the other time wasting. Teams having huddles then walking slowly to lineouts? Fuck right off. Free kick them. Not ready to pack down for a scrum in 10 seconds? Free kick. Awarded a penalty? Ref to make the mark and decision made within 5 seconds. Execution other than kick at goal within next 5.
Refs need the balls to speed things up. It totally erodes the respect in them when you hear them pleading for teams to speed up and the teams just ignore them.
I get that no ref wants to be the first but a clear message that it will be done and then no one can argue about it.
I don't know the figures but the Māori game the other night was nearly 2 hours for 2x rugby halves and a halftime break (which should revert to 10 minutes) yet the ball was probably in play for a total of 20 odd minutes.
@Crucial said in The Current State of Rugby:
The TMO stuff would be more bearable if it wasn't for all the other time wasting. Teams having huddles then walking slowly to lineouts? Fuck right off. Free kick them. Not ready to pack down for a scrum in 10 seconds? Free kick. Awarded a penalty? Ref to make the mark and decision made within 5 seconds. Execution other than kick at goal within next 5.
Refs need the balls to speed things up. It totally erodes the respect in them when you hear them pleading for teams to speed up and the teams just ignore them.
I get that no ref wants to be the first but a clear message that it will be done and then no one can argue about it.
I don't know the figures but the Māori game the other night was nearly 2 hours for 2x rugby halves and a halftime break (which should revert to 10 minutes) yet the ball was probably in play for a total of 20 odd minutes.
Only issue being - it's both teams doing this stuff, regardless of if it's their ball or not. How do you decide who to free kick?
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@Crucial said in The Current State of Rugby:
The TMO stuff would be more bearable if it wasn't for all the other time wasting. Teams having huddles then walking slowly to lineouts? Fuck right off. Free kick them. Not ready to pack down for a scrum in 10 seconds? Free kick. Awarded a penalty? Ref to make the mark and decision made within 5 seconds. Execution other than kick at goal within next 5.
Refs need the balls to speed things up. It totally erodes the respect in them when you hear them pleading for teams to speed up and the teams just ignore them.
I get that no ref wants to be the first but a clear message that it will be done and then no one can argue about it.
I don't know the figures but the Māori game the other night was nearly 2 hours for 2x rugby halves and a halftime break (which should revert to 10 minutes) yet the ball was probably in play for a total of 20 odd minutes.
Only issue being - it's both teams doing this stuff, regardless of if it's their ball or not. How do you decide who to free kick?
@Bones said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Crucial said in The Current State of Rugby:
The TMO stuff would be more bearable if it wasn't for all the other time wasting. Teams having huddles then walking slowly to lineouts? Fuck right off. Free kick them. Not ready to pack down for a scrum in 10 seconds? Free kick. Awarded a penalty? Ref to make the mark and decision made within 5 seconds. Execution other than kick at goal within next 5.
Refs need the balls to speed things up. It totally erodes the respect in them when you hear them pleading for teams to speed up and the teams just ignore them.
I get that no ref wants to be the first but a clear message that it will be done and then no one can argue about it.
I don't know the figures but the Māori game the other night was nearly 2 hours for 2x rugby halves and a halftime break (which should revert to 10 minutes) yet the ball was probably in play for a total of 20 odd minutes.
Only issue being - it's both teams doing this stuff, regardless of if it's their ball or not. How do you decide who to free kick?
Team not in possession.
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@canefan said in The Current State of Rugby:
@pakman hit the nail on the head
Or not
That was a thinly veiled pat on the back from Shaun.
France didn't get any YC or RC because I coached them to approach the tackle and ruck situation differently from previous seasons.
I'll die on this hill.
Aim lower
@MiketheSnow said in The Current State of Rugby:
@canefan said in The Current State of Rugby:
@pakman hit the nail on the head
Or not
That was a thinly veiled pat on the back from Shaun.
France didn't get any YC or RC because I coached them to approach the tackle and ruck situation differently from previous seasons.
I'll die on this hill.
Aim lower
You read what you want to read. I didn't focus on the France part. Mainly about his playing days
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@NTA but the RWC is still WRs main money spinner - and the RWC is nothing without NZ, Aus and SA.
Be crazy for them to ignore a drop off in interest in the the SH due to the Home Nations (perplexing) support of slow rugby.
@Derpus said in The Current State of Rugby:
@NTA but the RWC is still WRs main money spinner - and the RWC is nothing without NZ, Aus and SA.
Be crazy for them to ignore a drop off in interest in the the SH due to the Home Nations (perplexing) support of slow rugby.
I agree that RSA's 60m residents would be a big factor for WR and the RWC. However, in the scheme of things, I honestly don't think WR could give two sh!ts about whether a few hundred thousand die hard Kiwi and Aussie rugby fans tune into their RWC.
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@Derpus said in The Current State of Rugby:
Let Eddie run the summit, fans can see it, coaches can see it, players can see it. The only people that can't are World Rugby. Shit needs to change and pretty bloody quickly.
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@Derpus I guess at least being England coach he has a bit more sway than if he was with Japan or Aus even.
Always been a character, and he does love the game, so using his powers for good.
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@NTA but the RWC is still WRs main money spinner - and the RWC is nothing without NZ, Aus and SA.
Be crazy for them to ignore a drop off in interest in the the SH due to the Home Nations (perplexing) support of slow rugby.
@Derpus said in The Current State of Rugby:
@NTA but the RWC is still WRs main money spinner - and the RWC is nothing without NZ, Aus and SA.
Be crazy for them to ignore a drop off in interest in the the SH due to the Home Nations (perplexing) support of slow rugby.
Reality check: Europe would quite happily cut NZ and AUS from the RWC and it wouldn't affect the value of the product very much at all. Pacific nations as well.
The Boks they'd look at with more detail because of URC and other recent initiatives, but they would struggle to give less fucks about the two countries a day's flight away with limited fan base and a future under threat from a maximised market and narrowing pathways.
It has happened in Australia and is happening in NZ with the way schools are warehousing talent for the pro game, and clubs in the grassroots band are dying.
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@Derpus said in The Current State of Rugby:
@NTA but the RWC is still WRs main money spinner - and the RWC is nothing without NZ, Aus and SA.
Be crazy for them to ignore a drop off in interest in the the SH due to the Home Nations (perplexing) support of slow rugby.
Reality check: Europe would quite happily cut NZ and AUS from the RWC and it wouldn't affect the value of the product very much at all. Pacific nations as well.
The Boks they'd look at with more detail because of URC and other recent initiatives, but they would struggle to give less fucks about the two countries a day's flight away with limited fan base and a future under threat from a maximised market and narrowing pathways.
It has happened in Australia and is happening in NZ with the way schools are warehousing talent for the pro game, and clubs in the grassroots band are dying.
@NTA i fear you might be right, i think what people underestimate on this side of the world is fans connections to their club will most often outweigh the quality of the rugby theyre watching
so even if we say NZ and Aus have the best players in the world...whilst fan in the UK might love seeing them as an exhibition every so often they would still just as readily go and see "their team" cop a hiding...complain the whole time but still go
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@antipodean said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Derpus said in The Current State of Rugby:
He's not wrong is he?
Nope. Might be a lone voice from the NH though.
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England’s coach has said he wants elite players, coaches and referees to meet
Foster be like
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England’s coach has said he wants elite players, coaches and referees to meet
Foster be like
@ACT-Crusader :clapping_hands: :clapping_hands: :clapping_hands:
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@Derpus said in The Current State of Rugby:
@NTA but the RWC is still WRs main money spinner - and the RWC is nothing without NZ, Aus and SA.
Be crazy for them to ignore a drop off in interest in the the SH due to the Home Nations (perplexing) support of slow rugby.
Reality check: Europe would quite happily cut NZ and AUS from the RWC and it wouldn't affect the value of the product very much at all. Pacific nations as well.
The Boks they'd look at with more detail because of URC and other recent initiatives, but they would struggle to give less fucks about the two countries a day's flight away with limited fan base and a future under threat from a maximised market and narrowing pathways.
It has happened in Australia and is happening in NZ with the way schools are warehousing talent for the pro game, and clubs in the grassroots band are dying.
@NTA I don't really buy this man. Rugby isn't like Football where a powerhouse can miss out on the WC entirely and no one bats an eye (Italy four x winners, missed it twice in a row). And losing two major stakeholders (even relatively smaller ones) is a big deal for a smallish sport when those two come from a pool of, what, eight major stakeholders?
A rugby world cup without the All Blacks... what a waste of time that would be.
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@antipodean said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Derpus said in The Current State of Rugby:
He's not wrong is he?
Nope. Might be a lone voice from the NH though.
@Crucial said in The Current State of Rugby:
@antipodean said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Derpus said in The Current State of Rugby:
He's not wrong is he?
Nope. Might be a lone voice from the NH though.
But he’s not from the NH…
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@NTA I don't really buy this man. Rugby isn't like Football where a powerhouse can miss out on the WC entirely and no one bats an eye (Italy four x winners, missed it twice in a row). And losing two major stakeholders (even relatively smaller ones) is a big deal for a smallish sport when those two come from a pool of, what, eight major stakeholders?
A rugby world cup without the All Blacks... what a waste of time that would be.
@Derpus said in The Current State of Rugby:
@NTA I don't really buy this man. Rugby isn't like Football where a powerhouse can miss out on the WC entirely and no one bats an eye (Italy four x winners, missed it twice in a row). And losing two major stakeholders (even relatively smaller ones) is a big deal for a smallish sport when those two come from a pool of, what, eight major stakeholders?
A rugby world cup without the All Blacks... what a waste of time that would be.
You are kidding yourself, I’m afraid - there’s not a team out there that wouldn’t love not having to get up to knockout the ABs in a RWC semi only to go on and lose the final the following week.
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@Crucial said in The Current State of Rugby:
@antipodean said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Derpus said in The Current State of Rugby:
He's not wrong is he?
Nope. Might be a lone voice from the NH though.
But he’s not from the NH…
@junior said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Crucial said in The Current State of Rugby:
@antipodean said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Derpus said in The Current State of Rugby:
He's not wrong is he?
Nope. Might be a lone voice from the NH though.
But he’s not from the NH…
He’s the coach of an NH team and has been on the RFU payroll for some years. Anything he says is to try and benefit them.
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@junior said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Crucial said in The Current State of Rugby:
@antipodean said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Derpus said in The Current State of Rugby:
He's not wrong is he?
Nope. Might be a lone voice from the NH though.
But he’s not from the NH…
He’s the coach of an NH team and has been on the RFU payroll for some years. Anything he says is to try and benefit them.
@Crucial said in The Current State of Rugby:
@junior said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Crucial said in The Current State of Rugby:
@antipodean said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Derpus said in The Current State of Rugby:
He's not wrong is he?
Nope. Might be a lone voice from the NH though.
But he’s not from the NH…
He’s the coach of an NH team and has been on the RFU payroll for some years. Anything he says is to try and benefit them.
Absolutely, but I am not convinced that his paymasters, or anyone else important in NH rugby, necessarily agrees with him. Moreover, would Eddie being saying this were he not from the SH? Not saying he doesn't want to benefit his current team, just that his natural bias and perspective from being originally from the SH must surely have some influence here.
Anyway, I think we are in agreement that even Eddie is not going to make things change. The way the game is reffed and played at the moment suits teams and unions in the NH. Whether that's right and how we got to this situation is irrelevant - what is relevant that, because of where are now, there will be great resistance to change, even if that change is being called for from someone working in the NH.
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@Crucial said in The Current State of Rugby:
@junior said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Crucial said in The Current State of Rugby:
@antipodean said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Derpus said in The Current State of Rugby:
He's not wrong is he?
Nope. Might be a lone voice from the NH though.
But he’s not from the NH…
He’s the coach of an NH team and has been on the RFU payroll for some years. Anything he says is to try and benefit them.
Absolutely, but I am not convinced that his paymasters, or anyone else important in NH rugby, necessarily agrees with him. Moreover, would Eddie being saying this were he not from the SH? Not saying he doesn't want to benefit his current team, just that his natural bias and perspective from being originally from the SH must surely have some influence here.
Anyway, I think we are in agreement that even Eddie is not going to make things change. The way the game is reffed and played at the moment suits teams and unions in the NH. Whether that's right and how we got to this situation is irrelevant - what is relevant that, because of where are now, there will be great resistance to change, even if that change is being called for from someone working in the NH.
@junior said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Crucial said in The Current State of Rugby:
@junior said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Crucial said in The Current State of Rugby:
@antipodean said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Derpus said in The Current State of Rugby:
He's not wrong is he?
Nope. Might be a lone voice from the NH though.
But he’s not from the NH…
He’s the coach of an NH team and has been on the RFU payroll for some years. Anything he says is to try and benefit them.
Absolutely, but I am not convinced that his paymasters, or anyone else important in NH rugby, necessarily agrees with him. Moreover, would Eddie being saying this were he not from the SH? Not saying he doesn't want to benefit his current team, just that his natural bias and perspective from being originally from the SH must surely have some influence here.
Of course it would and that’s probably a positive given his history plus the fact that he is now all consumed by English rugby and several 6Ns campaigns.
