The Current State of Rugby
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This is the problem WR are trying (badly) to battle. Very hard when you have a high impact high speed contact sport
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The more we slow the game down and the more players we have who only need to play 30 minutes the bigger the players get. the bigger the players get, the bigger the impacts get and the less able they are to avoid impacts, so the worse the injuries get. The end point is american football and helmets.
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What's the bet that there is deadly silence regarding the YC and the head knock that removed Ofa from the game.
All talk about head injuries but we also can't spoil a good story.I actually agree with Barnes about the YC. The framework says that he is to take 'passive' into account. What shits me is that it wasn't the week before (and upheld). So which is it.
As for Aki on Ofa, did I imagine that I heard the TMO say 'just clumsy'?
@Crucial said in The Current State of Rugby:
What's the bet that there is deadly silence regarding the YC and the head knock that removed Ofa from the game.
All talk about head injuries but we also can't spoil a good story.I actually agree with Barnes about the YC. The framework says that he is to take 'passive' into account. What shits me is that it wasn't the week before (and upheld). So which is it.
As for Aki on Ofa, did I imagine that I heard the TMO say 'just clumsy'?
Barrett didn't get penalised or cited for his clumsiness in test 1 on Aki. So on that one, they were at least consistent.
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@mikedogz That clown Sumo Stevenson was on the Irish "second captains" podcast in the build up the first test. It's the most popular sports pod in Ireland.
They asked him about covid in the NZ camp and he came out with some of the biggest horseshit id ever heard.
He said he couldn't believe that the NZ team had gone and held an open training session in an area of NZ with the lowest vaccination rate. Blamed the players catching it on that. The podcast was on the same week 100k punters in Glastonbury were licking each others faces and climbing all over each other.
He is a woke virtue signalling melt who goes with the prevailing consensus even if it's completely wrong.
Clown
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@mikedogz That clown Sumo Stevenson was on the Irish "second captains" podcast in the build up the first test. It's the most popular sports pod in Ireland.
They asked him about covid in the NZ camp and he came out with some of the biggest horseshit id ever heard.
He said he couldn't believe that the NZ team had gone and held an open training session in an area of NZ with the lowest vaccination rate. Blamed the players catching it on that. The podcast was on the same week 100k punters in Glastonbury were licking each others faces and climbing all over each other.
He is a woke virtue signalling melt who goes with the prevailing consensus even if it's completely wrong.
Clown
@Steve said in The Current State of Rugby:
@mikedogz That clown Sumo Stevenson was on the Irish "second captains" podcast in the build up the first test. It's the most popular sports pod in Ireland.
They asked him about covid in the NZ camp and he came out with some of the biggest horseshit id ever heard.
He said he couldn't believe that the NZ team had gone and held an open training session in an area of NZ with the lowest vaccination rate. Blamed the players catching it on that. The podcast was on the same week 100k punters in Glastonbury were licking each others faces and climbing all over each other.
He is a woke virtue signalling melt who goes with the prevailing consensus even if it's completely wrong.
Clown
True. But he's right on some things too
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@chimoaus said in The Current State of Rugby:
Surely the customers should dictate how a professional organisation structures its product. If you don't have people watching then your revenue is going to drop.
The 6N sells out stadiums every year.
Club rugby in Europe enjoys rude health.
I don't think they see a problem.@NTA said in The Current State of Rugby:
@chimoaus said in The Current State of Rugby:
Surely the customers should dictate how a professional organisation structures its product. If you don't have people watching then your revenue is going to drop.
The 6N sells out stadiums every year.
Club rugby in Europe enjoys rude health.
I don't think they see a problem.I talk to club rugby guys all the time here.
They all agree there are colossal problems and fear for the game.
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You have to wonder if League were the smart ones when setting up a pro game because they could see the parts of Union that would cause problems. The obvious one being that defences could be way more organised so less players were needed.
Union is still trying to fit a game designed as an amateur sport into a pro environment and continually having to chase its tail or change things.
Probably why Union is still a very enjoyable watch at lower levels and a great game to play at those levels as well.
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i thought Barnes reffed really well on the weekend. I like the way he manages a game, i like his communication, i like how he is all for letting the players sort out the game.
The massive problem here is, the huge disparity between the interpretations this week, and last week. Same two teams, same incidences, different ref, different outcomes.
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@mikedogz That clown Sumo Stevenson was on the Irish "second captains" podcast in the build up the first test. It's the most popular sports pod in Ireland.
They asked him about covid in the NZ camp and he came out with some of the biggest horseshit id ever heard.
He said he couldn't believe that the NZ team had gone and held an open training session in an area of NZ with the lowest vaccination rate. Blamed the players catching it on that. The podcast was on the same week 100k punters in Glastonbury were licking each others faces and climbing all over each other.
He is a woke virtue signalling melt who goes with the prevailing consensus even if it's completely wrong.
Clown
@Steve said in The Current State of Rugby:
@mikedogz That clown Sumo Stevenson was on the Irish "second captains" podcast in the build up the first test. It's the most popular sports pod in Ireland.
They asked him about covid in the NZ camp and he came out with some of the biggest horseshit id ever heard.
He said he couldn't believe that the NZ team had gone and held an open training session in an area of NZ with the lowest vaccination rate. Blamed the players catching it on that. The podcast was on the same week 100k punters in Glastonbury were licking each others faces and climbing all over each other.
He is a woke virtue signalling melt who goes with the prevailing consensus even if it's completely wrong.
Clown
I think he’s a ferner too, or at least was. Perhaps you can direct your line of questioning directly to him ?
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i thought Barnes reffed really well on the weekend. I like the way he manages a game, i like his communication, i like how he is all for letting the players sort out the game.
The massive problem here is, the huge disparity between the interpretations this week, and last week. Same two teams, same incidences, different ref, different outcomes.
@mariner4life If you listen to him during the Porter incident as he is walking towards the Irish players with yellow brandished, he is obviously copping a WTF? from an NZ player out of shot and he says too him "hands down please" as if to tell him to stop acting incredulous. thought it was salt into the wound myself.
I was expecting a claret card all day based on what I seen the week before. The score was close at the time too. Foster is a complete idiot, but the test swung on that moment. We had them on the rack.
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i thought Barnes reffed really well on the weekend. I like the way he manages a game, i like his communication, i like how he is all for letting the players sort out the game.
The massive problem here is, the huge disparity between the interpretations this week, and last week. Same two teams, same incidences, different ref, different outcomes.
@mariner4life said in The Current State of Rugby:
i thought Barnes reffed really well on the weekend. I like the way he manages a game, i like his communication, i like how he is all for letting the players sort out the game.
The massive problem here is, the huge disparity between the interpretations this week, and last week. Same two teams, same incidences, different ref, different outcomes.
Absolutely.
In a series like this, I wonder whether having the same ref for all three games would at least give the teams a chance to plan how they'll react to he other team without wondering about how interpretations will change from week to week.
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@mariner4life said in The Current State of Rugby:
i thought Barnes reffed really well on the weekend. I like the way he manages a game, i like his communication, i like how he is all for letting the players sort out the game.
The massive problem here is, the huge disparity between the interpretations this week, and last week. Same two teams, same incidences, different ref, different outcomes.
Absolutely.
In a series like this, I wonder whether having the same ref for all three games would at least give the teams a chance to plan how they'll react to he other team without wondering about how interpretations will change from week to week.
@gt12 said in The Current State of Rugby:
In a series like this, I wonder whether having the same ref for all three games would at least give the teams a chance to plan how they'll react to he other team without wondering about how interpretations will change from week to week.
a sport at the absolute highest level shouldn't have to make those sort of calls.
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@Steve said in The Current State of Rugby:
@mikedogz That clown Sumo Stevenson was on the Irish "second captains" podcast in the build up the first test. It's the most popular sports pod in Ireland.
They asked him about covid in the NZ camp and he came out with some of the biggest horseshit id ever heard.
He said he couldn't believe that the NZ team had gone and held an open training session in an area of NZ with the lowest vaccination rate. Blamed the players catching it on that. The podcast was on the same week 100k punters in Glastonbury were licking each others faces and climbing all over each other.
He is a woke virtue signalling melt who goes with the prevailing consensus even if it's completely wrong.
Clown
True. But he's right on some things too
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@mariner4life If you listen to him during the Porter incident as he is walking towards the Irish players with yellow brandished, he is obviously copping a WTF? from an NZ player out of shot and he says too him "hands down please" as if to tell him to stop acting incredulous. thought it was salt into the wound myself.
I was expecting a claret card all day based on what I seen the week before. The score was close at the time too. Foster is a complete idiot, but the test swung on that moment. We had them on the rack.
@Steve said in The Current State of Rugby:
@mariner4life If you listen to him during the Porter incident as he is walking towards the Irish players with yellow brandished, he is obviously copping a WTF? from an NZ player out of shot and he says too him "hands down please" as if to tell him to stop acting incredulous. thought it was salt into the wound myself.
I was expecting a claret card all day based on what I seen the week before. The score was close at the time too. Foster is a complete idiot, but the test swung on that moment. We had them on the rack.
If our winning a test match relies on the other team getting a red card as opposed to a yellow, it's an example of our problem.
To that extent, if they'd received a red card and we'd won, we could be in a worse situation.
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@gt12 said in The Current State of Rugby:
In a series like this, I wonder whether having the same ref for all three games would at least give the teams a chance to plan how they'll react to he other team without wondering about how interpretations will change from week to week.
a sport at the absolute highest level shouldn't have to make those sort of calls.
@mariner4life said in The Current State of Rugby:
@gt12 said in The Current State of Rugby:
In a series like this, I wonder whether having the same ref for all three games would at least give the teams a chance to plan how they'll react to he other team without wondering about how interpretations will change from week to week.
a sport at the absolute highest level shouldn't have to make those sort of calls.
Absolutely, but we are talking about World Rugby, so I'm looking for some of the low-hanging fruit that the gin-swillers can change and feel better about themselves.
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@Steve said in The Current State of Rugby:
@mariner4life If you listen to him during the Porter incident as he is walking towards the Irish players with yellow brandished, he is obviously copping a WTF? from an NZ player out of shot and he says too him "hands down please" as if to tell him to stop acting incredulous. thought it was salt into the wound myself.
I was expecting a claret card all day based on what I seen the week before. The score was close at the time too. Foster is a complete idiot, but the test swung on that moment. We had them on the rack.
If our winning a test match relies on the other team getting a red card as opposed to a yellow, it's an example of our problem.
To that extent, if they'd received a red card and we'd won, we could be in a worse situation.
@gt12 I loathe cards anyway and think they should be reserved for filth.
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@gt12 I loathe cards anyway and think they should be reserved for filth.
@taniwharugby said in The Current State of Rugby:
@gt12 I loathe cards anyway and think they should be reserved for filth.
I'm not worried about the YC for the same reason. It was worse that Angus' but still a rugby collision where a guy couldn't get into the right position and bad shit happened. There is zero chance he was trying to hurt BR, so I don't think he needed to go at all.
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@gt12 I loathe cards anyway and think they should be reserved for filth.
@taniwharugby said in The Current State of Rugby:
@gt12 I loathe cards anyway and think they should be reserved for filth.
On this, would we reduce these bad collisions if we allowed far fewer players in front of the ball? You look at Angus's and perhaps it came from players (and the ball) being unsighted? If you allow players to essentially hide other players ability to make reads, you can't blame them if they are in a position where there is suddenly a guy on top of them.
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@Steve said in The Current State of Rugby:
@mariner4life If you listen to him during the Porter incident as he is walking towards the Irish players with yellow brandished, he is obviously copping a WTF? from an NZ player out of shot and he says too him "hands down please" as if to tell him to stop acting incredulous. thought it was salt into the wound myself.
I was expecting a claret card all day based on what I seen the week before. The score was close at the time too. Foster is a complete idiot, but the test swung on that moment. We had them on the rack.
If our winning a test match relies on the other team getting a red card as opposed to a yellow, it's an example of our problem.
To that extent, if they'd received a red card and we'd won, we could be in a worse situation.
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@taniwharugby said in The Current State of Rugby:
@gt12 I loathe cards anyway and think they should be reserved for filth.
On this, would we reduce these bad collisions if we allowed far fewer players in front of the ball? You look at Angus's and perhaps it came from players (and the ball) being unsighted? If you allow players to essentially hide other players ability to make reads, you can't blame them if they are in a position where there is suddenly a guy on top of them.
