The Current State of Rugby
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@Steve said in The Current State of Rugby:
Du Pont had eyes on the ball the whole time
Haven't seen the incident but that's the same as claiming you were looking at the speedo for fear of going over the limit and crashing.
@Bones it was pretty bad in that Cheslin landed pretty much on his head, failed his HIA i think, what Du pont didnt do, was jump, if he had leapt I think they were both in the space at the same time, both clearly able to contest, but du pont didnt jump, and went under Cheslin
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I don't want to see a red for Du Post or PSDT today.
PTSD was pushed by a team mate.
Du Pont had eyes on the ball the whole time and gets kneed in the face by a springbok who puts himself in danger by jumping.
I support neither team.
Game is gone to shite.
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@Bones it was pretty bad in that Cheslin landed pretty much on his head, failed his HIA i think, what Du pont didnt do, was jump, if he had leapt I think they were both in the space at the same time, both clearly able to contest, but du pont didnt jump, and went under Cheslin
@taniwharugby said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Bones it was pretty bad in that Cheslin landed pretty much on his head, failed his HIA i think, what Du pont didnt do, was jump, if he had leapt I think they were both in the space at the same time, both clearly able to contest, but du pont didnt jump, and went under Cheslin
I just can't buy guys running around a rugby field without a care of who's around or what's going on, especially at that level. It's not an excuse. To use another shitty analogy it's like jumping in the pool without looking. I mean, it's possible, but idiotic and you deserve anything coming your way if you fuck shit up.
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@taniwharugby said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Bones it was pretty bad in that Cheslin landed pretty much on his head, failed his HIA i think, what Du pont didnt do, was jump, if he had leapt I think they were both in the space at the same time, both clearly able to contest, but du pont didnt jump, and went under Cheslin
I just can't buy guys running around a rugby field without a care of who's around or what's going on, especially at that level. It's not an excuse. To use another shitty analogy it's like jumping in the pool without looking. I mean, it's possible, but idiotic and you deserve anything coming your way if you fuck shit up.
@Bones said in The Current State of Rugby:
@taniwharugby said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Bones it was pretty bad in that Cheslin landed pretty much on his head, failed his HIA i think, what Du pont didnt do, was jump, if he had leapt I think they were both in the space at the same time, both clearly able to contest, but du pont didnt jump, and went under Cheslin
I just can't buy guys running around a rugby field without a care of who's around or what's going on, especially at that level. It's not an excuse. To use another shitty analogy it's like jumping in the pool without looking. I mean, it's possible, but idiotic and you deserve anything coming your way if you fuck shit up.
I don't subscribe to the implied theory Du Pont didn't care, he was focusing on the ball. I also disagreed with the refereeing team that he wasn't in a position to take the ball. If Cheslin hadn't jumped into that space, the accident would never have happened. But it seems that as long as you leave the ground, you no longer bear any responsibility. It's farcical.
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@Bones said in The Current State of Rugby:
@taniwharugby said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Bones it was pretty bad in that Cheslin landed pretty much on his head, failed his HIA i think, what Du pont didnt do, was jump, if he had leapt I think they were both in the space at the same time, both clearly able to contest, but du pont didnt jump, and went under Cheslin
I just can't buy guys running around a rugby field without a care of who's around or what's going on, especially at that level. It's not an excuse. To use another shitty analogy it's like jumping in the pool without looking. I mean, it's possible, but idiotic and you deserve anything coming your way if you fuck shit up.
I don't subscribe to the implied theory Du Pont didn't care, he was focusing on the ball. I also disagreed with the refereeing team that he wasn't in a position to take the ball. If Cheslin hadn't jumped into that space, the accident would never have happened. But it seems that as long as you leave the ground, you no longer bear any responsibility. It's farcical.
@antipodean said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Bones said in The Current State of Rugby:
@taniwharugby said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Bones it was pretty bad in that Cheslin landed pretty much on his head, failed his HIA i think, what Du pont didnt do, was jump, if he had leapt I think they were both in the space at the same time, both clearly able to contest, but du pont didnt jump, and went under Cheslin
I just can't buy guys running around a rugby field without a care of who's around or what's going on, especially at that level. It's not an excuse. To use another shitty analogy it's like jumping in the pool without looking. I mean, it's possible, but idiotic and you deserve anything coming your way if you fuck shit up.
I don't subscribe to the implied theory Du Pont didn't care, he was focusing on the ball. I also disagreed with the refereeing team that he wasn't in a position to take the ball. If Cheslin hadn't jumped into that space, the accident would never have happened. But it seems that as long as you leave the ground, you no longer bear any responsibility. It's farcical.
Sadly, it's been like that for ages now and try arguing against it with any NH fans - they're fine with it.
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@Bones said in The Current State of Rugby:
@taniwharugby said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Bones it was pretty bad in that Cheslin landed pretty much on his head, failed his HIA i think, what Du pont didnt do, was jump, if he had leapt I think they were both in the space at the same time, both clearly able to contest, but du pont didnt jump, and went under Cheslin
I just can't buy guys running around a rugby field without a care of who's around or what's going on, especially at that level. It's not an excuse. To use another shitty analogy it's like jumping in the pool without looking. I mean, it's possible, but idiotic and you deserve anything coming your way if you fuck shit up.
I don't subscribe to the implied theory Du Pont didn't care, he was focusing on the ball. I also disagreed with the refereeing team that he wasn't in a position to take the ball. If Cheslin hadn't jumped into that space, the accident would never have happened. But it seems that as long as you leave the ground, you no longer bear any responsibility. It's farcical.
@antipodean yep. His eyes were definitely on the ball. To me it was 50/50 and despite the Saffa landing on his head it merited nothing.
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@Bones said in The Current State of Rugby:
@taniwharugby said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Bones it was pretty bad in that Cheslin landed pretty much on his head, failed his HIA i think, what Du pont didnt do, was jump, if he had leapt I think they were both in the space at the same time, both clearly able to contest, but du pont didnt jump, and went under Cheslin
I just can't buy guys running around a rugby field without a care of who's around or what's going on, especially at that level. It's not an excuse. To use another shitty analogy it's like jumping in the pool without looking. I mean, it's possible, but idiotic and you deserve anything coming your way if you fuck shit up.
I don't subscribe to the implied theory Du Pont didn't care, he was focusing on the ball. I also disagreed with the refereeing team that he wasn't in a position to take the ball. If Cheslin hadn't jumped into that space, the accident would never have happened. But it seems that as long as you leave the ground, you no longer bear any responsibility. It's farcical.
@antipodean said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Bones said in The Current State of Rugby:
@taniwharugby said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Bones it was pretty bad in that Cheslin landed pretty much on his head, failed his HIA i think, what Du pont didnt do, was jump, if he had leapt I think they were both in the space at the same time, both clearly able to contest, but du pont didnt jump, and went under Cheslin
I just can't buy guys running around a rugby field without a care of who's around or what's going on, especially at that level. It's not an excuse. To use another shitty analogy it's like jumping in the pool without looking. I mean, it's possible, but idiotic and you deserve anything coming your way if you fuck shit up.
I don't subscribe to the implied theory Du Pont didn't care, he was focusing on the ball. I also disagreed with the refereeing team that he wasn't in a position to take the ball. If Cheslin hadn't jumped into that space, the accident would never have happened. But it seems that as long as you leave the ground, you no longer bear any responsibility. It's farcical.
The Africans have been adept at jumping into hazardous situations appearing to be contesting the ball for some time
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@antipodean said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Bones said in The Current State of Rugby:
@taniwharugby said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Bones it was pretty bad in that Cheslin landed pretty much on his head, failed his HIA i think, what Du pont didnt do, was jump, if he had leapt I think they were both in the space at the same time, both clearly able to contest, but du pont didnt jump, and went under Cheslin
I just can't buy guys running around a rugby field without a care of who's around or what's going on, especially at that level. It's not an excuse. To use another shitty analogy it's like jumping in the pool without looking. I mean, it's possible, but idiotic and you deserve anything coming your way if you fuck shit up.
I don't subscribe to the implied theory Du Pont didn't care, he was focusing on the ball. I also disagreed with the refereeing team that he wasn't in a position to take the ball. If Cheslin hadn't jumped into that space, the accident would never have happened. But it seems that as long as you leave the ground, you no longer bear any responsibility. It's farcical.
The Africans have been adept at jumping into hazardous situations appearing to be contesting the ball for some time
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Surely this is satirical...
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@Mattasaurus not sure there is too much wrong with those big calls she made, I thought it was more the smaller ones where she was a bit untidy through the match
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@Mattasaurus said in The Current State of Rugby:
Surely this is satirical...
Don’t think there’s anything wrong in that article.
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@antipodean said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Bones said in The Current State of Rugby:
@taniwharugby said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Bones it was pretty bad in that Cheslin landed pretty much on his head, failed his HIA i think, what Du pont didnt do, was jump, if he had leapt I think they were both in the space at the same time, both clearly able to contest, but du pont didnt jump, and went under Cheslin
I just can't buy guys running around a rugby field without a care of who's around or what's going on, especially at that level. It's not an excuse. To use another shitty analogy it's like jumping in the pool without looking. I mean, it's possible, but idiotic and you deserve anything coming your way if you fuck shit up.
I don't subscribe to the implied theory Du Pont didn't care, he was focusing on the ball. I also disagreed with the refereeing team that he wasn't in a position to take the ball. If Cheslin hadn't jumped into that space, the accident would never have happened. But it seems that as long as you leave the ground, you no longer bear any responsibility. It's farcical.
Sadly, it's been like that for ages now and try arguing against it with any NH fans - they're fine with it.
@Nepia said in The Current State of Rugby:
@antipodean said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Bones said in The Current State of Rugby:
@taniwharugby said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Bones it was pretty bad in that Cheslin landed pretty much on his head, failed his HIA i think, what Du pont didnt do, was jump, if he had leapt I think they were both in the space at the same time, both clearly able to contest, but du pont didnt jump, and went under Cheslin
I just can't buy guys running around a rugby field without a care of who's around or what's going on, especially at that level. It's not an excuse. To use another shitty analogy it's like jumping in the pool without looking. I mean, it's possible, but idiotic and you deserve anything coming your way if you fuck shit up.
I don't subscribe to the implied theory Du Pont didn't care, he was focusing on the ball. I also disagreed with the refereeing team that he wasn't in a position to take the ball. If Cheslin hadn't jumped into that space, the accident would never have happened. But it seems that as long as you leave the ground, you no longer bear any responsibility. It's farcical.
Sadly, it's been like that for ages now and try arguing against it with any NH fans - they're fine with it.
Think it happened to Finn Russell early on in his career against Wales. Dan Biggar flew into a catch and Russell stayed in the deck. Russell was sent from the field .
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@Mattasaurus said in The Current State of Rugby:
Surely this is satirical...
Don’t think there’s anything wrong in that article.
@Crucial said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Mattasaurus said in The Current State of Rugby:
Surely this is satirical...
Don’t think there’s anything wrong in that article.
IMHO she got a fair few smaller calls wrong (and watching the game again she missed heaps at the breakdown), but she did well with the calls the article talks about
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@antipodean said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Bones said in The Current State of Rugby:
@taniwharugby said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Bones it was pretty bad in that Cheslin landed pretty much on his head, failed his HIA i think, what Du pont didnt do, was jump, if he had leapt I think they were both in the space at the same time, both clearly able to contest, but du pont didnt jump, and went under Cheslin
I just can't buy guys running around a rugby field without a care of who's around or what's going on, especially at that level. It's not an excuse. To use another shitty analogy it's like jumping in the pool without looking. I mean, it's possible, but idiotic and you deserve anything coming your way if you fuck shit up.
I don't subscribe to the implied theory Du Pont didn't care, he was focusing on the ball. I also disagreed with the refereeing team that he wasn't in a position to take the ball. If Cheslin hadn't jumped into that space, the accident would never have happened. But it seems that as long as you leave the ground, you no longer bear any responsibility. It's farcical.
Sadly, it's been like that for ages now and try arguing against it with any NH fans - they're fine with it.
@Nepia said in The Current State of Rugby:
@antipodean said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Bones said in The Current State of Rugby:
@taniwharugby said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Bones it was pretty bad in that Cheslin landed pretty much on his head, failed his HIA i think, what Du pont didnt do, was jump, if he had leapt I think they were both in the space at the same time, both clearly able to contest, but du pont didnt jump, and went under Cheslin
I just can't buy guys running around a rugby field without a care of who's around or what's going on, especially at that level. It's not an excuse. To use another shitty analogy it's like jumping in the pool without looking. I mean, it's possible, but idiotic and you deserve anything coming your way if you fuck shit up.
I don't subscribe to the implied theory Du Pont didn't care, he was focusing on the ball. I also disagreed with the refereeing team that he wasn't in a position to take the ball. If Cheslin hadn't jumped into that space, the accident would never have happened. But it seems that as long as you leave the ground, you no longer bear any responsibility. It's farcical.
Sadly, it's been like that for ages now and try arguing against it with any NH fans - they're fine with it.
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@Nepia said in The Current State of Rugby:
@antipodean said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Bones said in The Current State of Rugby:
@taniwharugby said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Bones it was pretty bad in that Cheslin landed pretty much on his head, failed his HIA i think, what Du pont didnt do, was jump, if he had leapt I think they were both in the space at the same time, both clearly able to contest, but du pont didnt jump, and went under Cheslin
I just can't buy guys running around a rugby field without a care of who's around or what's going on, especially at that level. It's not an excuse. To use another shitty analogy it's like jumping in the pool without looking. I mean, it's possible, but idiotic and you deserve anything coming your way if you fuck shit up.
I don't subscribe to the implied theory Du Pont didn't care, he was focusing on the ball. I also disagreed with the refereeing team that he wasn't in a position to take the ball. If Cheslin hadn't jumped into that space, the accident would never have happened. But it seems that as long as you leave the ground, you no longer bear any responsibility. It's farcical.
Sadly, it's been like that for ages now and try arguing against it with any NH fans - they're fine with it.
Think it happened to Finn Russell early on in his career against Wales. Dan Biggar flew into a catch and Russell stayed in the deck. Russell was sent from the field .
@Steve said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Nepia said in The Current State of Rugby:
@antipodean said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Bones said in The Current State of Rugby:
@taniwharugby said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Bones it was pretty bad in that Cheslin landed pretty much on his head, failed his HIA i think, what Du pont didnt do, was jump, if he had leapt I think they were both in the space at the same time, both clearly able to contest, but du pont didnt jump, and went under Cheslin
I just can't buy guys running around a rugby field without a care of who's around or what's going on, especially at that level. It's not an excuse. To use another shitty analogy it's like jumping in the pool without looking. I mean, it's possible, but idiotic and you deserve anything coming your way if you fuck shit up.
I don't subscribe to the implied theory Du Pont didn't care, he was focusing on the ball. I also disagreed with the refereeing team that he wasn't in a position to take the ball. If Cheslin hadn't jumped into that space, the accident would never have happened. But it seems that as long as you leave the ground, you no longer bear any responsibility. It's farcical.
Sadly, it's been like that for ages now and try arguing against it with any NH fans - they're fine with it.
Think it happened to Finn Russell early on in his career against Wales. Dan Biggar flew into a catch and Russell stayed in the deck. Russell was sent from the field .
I thought that refs had adjusted since those days and put onus on 'entering the area safely'
In this case that applies to both. DuPont didn't look to see where chasers were and what they were doing and Cheslin jumped into a zone without looking to see the risks.
If DuPont was standing still with feet planted then it would have been all on Ches. -
Offside back lines are a blight on the game and it would have to be one of the lowest hanging fruit to fix..
But just seems to be ignored..
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@Steve said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Nepia said in The Current State of Rugby:
@antipodean said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Bones said in The Current State of Rugby:
@taniwharugby said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Bones it was pretty bad in that Cheslin landed pretty much on his head, failed his HIA i think, what Du pont didnt do, was jump, if he had leapt I think they were both in the space at the same time, both clearly able to contest, but du pont didnt jump, and went under Cheslin
I just can't buy guys running around a rugby field without a care of who's around or what's going on, especially at that level. It's not an excuse. To use another shitty analogy it's like jumping in the pool without looking. I mean, it's possible, but idiotic and you deserve anything coming your way if you fuck shit up.
I don't subscribe to the implied theory Du Pont didn't care, he was focusing on the ball. I also disagreed with the refereeing team that he wasn't in a position to take the ball. If Cheslin hadn't jumped into that space, the accident would never have happened. But it seems that as long as you leave the ground, you no longer bear any responsibility. It's farcical.
Sadly, it's been like that for ages now and try arguing against it with any NH fans - they're fine with it.
Think it happened to Finn Russell early on in his career against Wales. Dan Biggar flew into a catch and Russell stayed in the deck. Russell was sent from the field .
I thought that refs had adjusted since those days and put onus on 'entering the area safely'
In this case that applies to both. DuPont didn't look to see where chasers were and what they were doing and Cheslin jumped into a zone without looking to see the risks.
If DuPont was standing still with feet planted then it would have been all on Ches.@Crucial said in The Current State of Rugby:
If DuPont was standing still with feet planted then it would have been all on Ches.
I'd love to think that was true. But really, it'd be an absolute lottery.
This whole area of the game is not clear, and it keeps getting muddied with weird interpretations. Same as the going into tackles upright - the difference between 'unsighted/didn't react' and 'came from distance with speed' doesn't seem to be taken into account.
Rugby is absolutely farked with this at the moment. It's really frustrating as a fan, I'm struggling to love the game the way it's played and reffed at the moment.
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@Crucial said in The Current State of Rugby:
If DuPont was standing still with feet planted then it would have been all on Ches.
I'd love to think that was true. But really, it'd be an absolute lottery.
This whole area of the game is not clear, and it keeps getting muddied with weird interpretations. Same as the going into tackles upright - the difference between 'unsighted/didn't react' and 'came from distance with speed' doesn't seem to be taken into account.
Rugby is absolutely farked with this at the moment. It's really frustrating as a fan, I'm struggling to love the game the way it's played and reffed at the moment.
@nzzp said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Crucial said in The Current State of Rugby:
If DuPont was standing still with feet planted then it would have been all on Ches.
I'd love to think that was true. But really, it'd be an absolute lottery.
This whole area of the game is not clear, and it keeps getting muddied with weird interpretations. Same as the going into tackles upright - the difference between 'unsighted/didn't react' and 'came from distance with speed' doesn't seem to be taken into account.
Rugby is absolutely farked with this at the moment. It's really frustrating as a fan, I'm struggling to love the game the way it's played and reffed at the moment.
Trouble is that it is a game not designed for professionalism i its fundamentals, laws and rulings have tried to adjust but it has got harder and harder as the speed, size, athleticism and coaching have changed..
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@Crucial said in The Current State of Rugby:
If DuPont was standing still with feet planted then it would have been all on Ches.
I'd love to think that was true. But really, it'd be an absolute lottery.
This whole area of the game is not clear, and it keeps getting muddied with weird interpretations. Same as the going into tackles upright - the difference between 'unsighted/didn't react' and 'came from distance with speed' doesn't seem to be taken into account.
Rugby is absolutely farked with this at the moment. It's really frustrating as a fan, I'm struggling to love the game the way it's played and reffed at the moment.
@nzzp said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Crucial said in The Current State of Rugby:
If DuPont was standing still with feet planted then it would have been all on Ches.
I'd love to think that was true. But really, it'd be an absolute lottery.
You now see it quite often. DMac took a high ball today and was 'tackled' in the air. Ruled play on as the other players were all standing where he jumped. He jumped into them was the call.
Consistency is a glaring issue though and this morning we saw two near identical 'deliberate knock ons' with very different results under different refs. The only difference was that one was closer to the tryline.
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At the risk of commenting on something I 'barely' saw. The youtube highlights didn't show a replay, just the 'live' action. That DuPont red.
That was not an 'orthodox' kick chase red. A short & quite low kick with Kolbe cutting in at a 45 degree angle to jump and catch, with Dupont being turned around and probably being very surprised at someone being in that space coming at that angle. No one had time 'to line anything up'.
So, a prescribed decision based on protocols, I'd suggest. Rather than reffing what they werre actually seeing.
But who knows, refs these days 'never miss an opportunity to send some one off, to quote/paraphrase a @Derpus comment that has stuck in my mind ...... so maybe without the protocol he'd have done it anyway
