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  • KiwiPieK KiwiPie

    The past decade of test batting (from the start of 2015 up to today). Top averages, min qualification of 20 tests.

    For just stats, Root & Kohli aren't in the same conversation as Kane - of the ones who span this whole 10 years, only Smith gets close. Root with almost twice as many tests as Kane in this period - but only 6 more centuries.

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    @KiwiPie said in NZ Cricket:

    The past decade of test batting (from the start of 2015 up to today). Top averages, min qualification of 20 tests.

    For just stats, Root & Kohli aren't in the same conversation as Kane - of the ones who span this whole 10 years, only Smith gets close. Root with almost twice as many tests as Kane in this period - but only 6 more centuries.

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    For all the talk of bigger bats, smaller boundaries and how batting averages are higher on the whole these days this still reinforces how rare a 50 plus test average actually is. Given you can discount Voges for a short career plundering an awful Windies team and Brook still being early in his career that doesn’t leave many. Hats off to all legends who can maintain one !

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      @KiwiPie said in NZ Cricket:

      The past decade of test batting (from the start of 2015 up to today). Top averages, min qualification of 20 tests.

      For just stats, Root & Kohli aren't in the same conversation as Kane - of the ones who span this whole 10 years, only Smith gets close. Root with almost twice as many tests as Kane in this period - but only 6 more centuries.

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      For all the talk of bigger bats, smaller boundaries and how batting averages are higher on the whole these days this still reinforces how rare a 50 plus test average actually is. Given you can discount Voges for a short career plundering an awful Windies team and Brook still being early in his career that doesn’t leave many. Hats off to all legends who can maintain one !

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      @MN5 Absolutely agree - time can give runs and 50s/100s to some degree (still need some level of quality to get selected and score runs, 50s and 100s), but it's very hard for top order batters to pad averages in the really long run.

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        To add to the "Big 4" debate, for the past decade, percentage of innings where the batsman reached 50.
        Kane 41%
        Smith 37.8%
        Root 37.4%
        Kohli 27.5%

        And to reach 100
        Kane 21.4%
        Smith 17.3%
        Kohli 13.7%
        Root 13%

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          Babar and Kohli are the biggest myths in this world. Kane is criminally under appreciated globally

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            Babar and Kohli are the biggest myths in this world. Kane is criminally under appreciated globally

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            @Yeahtheboys said in NZ Cricket:

            Babar and Kohli are the biggest myths in this world. Kane is criminally under appreciated globally

            pffft haha what?

            A guy that scores an ODI hundred every 5 and a half innings is a myth? he's probably the best 50-over batsman of all time.
            His test record is not "all time great" but he still averages 48 and has 30 test hundreds. More importantly than the numbers, his attitude is what dragged this Indian team forward to a side that could win anywhere. How many players go to Australia, play four test matches, score 4 hundreds, and average 86?

            He's definitely on the downhill slide out of the test arena, but lets not overdo it aye?

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              Plus I see little evidence of Kane being underappreciated so wrong on both counts

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              • dogmeatD dogmeat

                Plus I see little evidence of Kane being underappreciated so wrong on both counts

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                @dogmeat if you watch any cricket outside of new zealand you’ll hear them talk about Kohli Root and Smith as the best in the world and Kane never gets a mention. You have no clue if you think he gets the same about credit as others who have an even more inferior record to him

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                • dogmeatD dogmeat

                  Plus I see little evidence of Kane being underappreciated so wrong on both counts

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                  @dogmeat said in NZ Cricket:

                  Plus I see little evidence of Kane being underappreciated so wrong on both counts

                  Kane is definitely under appreciated globally, and I've heard more than one commentator say the same thing. As already posted statistically he has been the best batsmen in the world for the past decade which you wouldn't know unless you look closely at the numbers. It's just because he's from NZ, and we play fuck all tests compared to the "big three", so he's not in the headlines as much as the others from those teams.

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                  • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

                    @Yeahtheboys said in NZ Cricket:

                    Babar and Kohli are the biggest myths in this world. Kane is criminally under appreciated globally

                    pffft haha what?

                    A guy that scores an ODI hundred every 5 and a half innings is a myth? he's probably the best 50-over batsman of all time.
                    His test record is not "all time great" but he still averages 48 and has 30 test hundreds. More importantly than the numbers, his attitude is what dragged this Indian team forward to a side that could win anywhere. How many players go to Australia, play four test matches, score 4 hundreds, and average 86?

                    He's definitely on the downhill slide out of the test arena, but lets not overdo it aye?

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                    @mariner4life said in NZ Cricket:

                    @Yeahtheboys said in NZ Cricket:

                    Babar and Kohli are the biggest myths in this world. Kane is criminally under appreciated globally

                    pffft haha what?

                    A guy that scores an ODI hundred every 5 and a half innings is a myth? he's probably the best 50-over batsman of all time.
                    His test record is not "all time great" but he still averages 48 and has 30 test hundreds. More importantly than the numbers, his attitude is what dragged this Indian team forward to a side that could win anywhere. How many players go to Australia, play four test matches, score 4 hundreds, and average 86?

                    He's definitely on the downhill slide out of the test arena, but lets not overdo it aye?

                    As the discussion is about tests I took it to mean he's a myth in the test arena. He is the GOAT 50 over batsmen no doubt with Babar right on his heels there.

                    Myth in tests is a bit over the top (but hey it's the Fern) but the hype he has gotten given his record is not even the best Indian player of all time, let alone a world GOAT test batsmen has also been over the top, but that's largely due to him being Indian so he has 1 billion people talking him up.

                    I do take your point about attitude though, he has been a player that has risen to the occasion against the big teams in hostile conditions where his teammates have just rolled over. But his average in the past decade is 16 runs less than Kane's, 14 less than Smith's, so he's not really in the same conversation in tests.

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                      Fuck Kohli, this is a thread about NZ cricket.

                      With that in mind let’s celebrate a wonderful occasion back in the day

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                        Coldplay, was a bloody good bowler. He basically carried the BC attack for a few years before the emergence of Southee and Boult.

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                          Sky secures Black Caps and White Ferns home internationals in new New Zealand Cricket deal

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                            Thank goodness - all my sport back on the one Sky app now...

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                              I guess TVNZ had nothing to offer as it's a bad mistake on NZC's behalf in terms of promoting the game.

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                                I'll miss having the cricket on tvnz, but this was inevitable the moment spark pulled out, tvnz don't have the cash to be involved. I'd be surprised if they were even bidding for the rights.

                                Hopefully nzc have spent the last couple of years preparing for a revenue drop, and making the most of the inflated price they got from the bidding war.

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                                  Probably inevitable, but still gutted. Our junior numbers are up by 34 overall since the start of the 23/24 summer, and girls numbers have about doubled. Free to air coverage of mens and womens games has definitely helped.

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                                    PSA that Womens ODI vs Sri Lanka is on today at 2pm, day/nighter

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                                    • DonsteppaD Donsteppa

                                      Probably inevitable, but still gutted. Our junior numbers are up by 34 overall since the start of the 23/24 summer, and girls numbers have about doubled. Free to air coverage of mens and womens games has definitely helped.

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                                      @Donsteppa said in NZ Cricket:

                                      Probably inevitable, but still gutted. Our junior numbers are up by 34 overall since the start of the 23/24 summer, and girls numbers have about doubled. Free to air coverage of mens and womens games has definitely helped.

                                      Hopefully Sky pushes quite a few of the games to Prime (Sky Open, whatever).

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                                        Yeah, I've really enjoyed having super smash on TV. Despite Chromecast making it stupid easy, I still wouldn't bother normally for super smash, but when it's just chucking it on the TV, I basically had it on every day in the background (for both men's and women's games).

                                        I think tvnz's rights include 2025/26 so we'll have one more free to air summer.

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                                          Who said there'll be some rain and Mclean Park won't drain? They sound like nostrildamus right now

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