All Blacks v Pumas 1
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@JC said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Chester-Draws Yeah - I'd agree with most of those changes - but, pairing RTS and Tupaea in the midfield is pretty experimental.
It is experimental. We might lose. Oh, wait…
That's the conundrum, though.
We may think we can't make it worse by trying something different - but, we most certainly can!
Playing Tupaea at centre is basically playing spin the bottle. He hasn't managed to nail his specialist position, so let's play him somewhere else that's different and probably harder.
@Chris-B said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@JC said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Chester-Draws Yeah - I'd agree with most of those changes - but, pairing RTS and Tupaea in the midfield is pretty experimental.
It is experimental. We might lose. Oh, wait…
That's the conundrum, though.
We may think we can't make it worse by trying something different - but, we most certainly can!
Playing Tupaea at centre is basically playing spin the bottle. He hasn't managed to nail his specialist position, so let's play him somewhere else that's different and probably harder.
Yeah lets not keep doing that.
I have seen enough of Jordie on the wing,Savea at 8 etc.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Cane is an awful captain.
Nice guy.
Shit captain.
Yeah, we seem mentally weak. As soon as something doesn't go our way we start playing panicked rugby and making errors. In this game the ref has flustered us and we haven't reacted well at all. Under McCaw we would have adapted but tonight we've just lost our way completely.
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Cane is an awful captain.
Nice guy.
Shit captain.
Yeah, we seem mentally weak. As soon as something doesn't go our way we start playing panicked rugby and making errors. In this game the ref has flustered us and we haven't reacted well at all. Under McCaw we would have adapted but tonight we've just lost our way completely.
Sunday morning thread read. That fluky try seemed to inspire panic. There is a obvious failure to assess the situation, in particular the ref’s style and the oppo’s tactics, and adjust ours to suit.
Surely the best 10s don’t need to learn this? Maybe they need to play some rugby in the trenches to remember the basics? As opposed to Harlem Super.
More to follow.
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Argies aren't putting anybody into the breakdown, ... just... 13/14 players in flat defence, and we don't seem to know the response. WTF.
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@booboo said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@stodders said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@JC Exactly how Argentina beat the ABs for the first time
Incompetent ref?
Made their tackles, waited for mistakes, kicked their penalties, scored a fortuitous try.
@stodders said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@booboo said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@stodders said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@JC Exactly how Argentina beat the ABs for the first time
Incompetent ref?
Made their tackles, waited for mistakes, kicked their penalties, scored a fortuitous try.
Brilliant (and winning) strategy with that ref. Pumas outthink ABs.
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@hydro11 said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@hydro11 said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Can't blame the ref for this. We have just been shit.
I don't think we have. This ref is removing all opportunity for momentum and inventing offences.
Argentina haven't played any rugby.
Yeah and how shit is that. We have been so poor you don't need to play rugby to beat us,
Not with a ref who punishes a team that's playing.
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@hydro11 said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@hydro11 said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Can't blame the ref for this. We have just been shit.
I don't think we have. This ref is removing all opportunity for momentum and inventing offences.
Argentina haven't played any rugby.
Yeah and how shit is that. We have been so poor you don't need to play rugby to beat us,
Not with a ref who punishes a team that's playing.
And an oppo who chooses to play rugby with such a ref in its own half.
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Foster on Cane after yesterdays test
"Clearly he (Cane) is under the spotlight,'' Foster said. "We are all under the spotlight when things don't go well. But behind the scenes, (he is) strong.
"I thought a lot of his tackle and work around the breakdown was a big shift up in the last two games, and we are pleased with that.''
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Don't disagree with those saying the difference was largely in the forwards (as always).
But the scene was set for this one from the outset when our first backline play was a Havili crash ball straight off 10, and we followed it a few seconds later with an insipid Mo'unga high kick to nowhere
Players being asked to do things that don't suit their game, us wasting the decent ball we have.
I also think a lot of blame for our performances should be laid at A Smith's feet. We relied on him so much for so long, and now he offers no game management, no clever kicking, certainly no sniping. Time to move on I think, at least for the EOYT
@voodoo said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Don't disagree with those saying the difference was largely in the forwards (as always).
But the scene was set for this one from the outset when our first backline play was a Havili crash ball straight off 10, and we followed it a few seconds later with an insipid Mo'unga high kick to nowhere
Players being asked to do things that don't suit their game, us wasting the decent ball we have.
I also think a lot of blame for our performances should be laid at A Smith's feet. We relied on him so much for so long, and now he offers no game management, no clever kicking, certainly no sniping. Time to move on I think, at least for the EOYT
BB and Mo'unga carving up SR and leading their teams to the final, and then looking completely fucking lost for the ABs, is probably the most damning thing about the AB coaches right now.
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Gregor Paul also mentioned on a podcast that Schmidt had been approached to work as attack coach during the Irish series but didn't feel it was "appropriate" as he was so close to the Irish. So he stuck to his strategist/selector role until the paddies had departed.
My immediate reaction was ....fuck off then and clear your desk, if that's where your allegiances are.
@Steve said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Gregor Paul also mentioned on a podcast that Schmidt had been approached to work as attack coach during the Irish series but didn't feel it was "appropriate" as he was so close to the Irish. So he stuck to his strategist/selector role until the paddies had departed.
My immediate reaction was ....fuck off then and clear your desk, if that's where your allegiances are.
That is some super weak sauce
Don’t let the door hit you in the arse on the way out
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Foster on Cane after yesterdays test
"Clearly he (Cane) is under the spotlight,'' Foster said. "We are all under the spotlight when things don't go well. But behind the scenes, (he is) strong.
"I thought a lot of his tackle and work around the breakdown was a big shift up in the last two games, and we are pleased with that.''
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@Steve said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Gregor Paul also mentioned on a podcast that Schmidt had been approached to work as attack coach during the Irish series but didn't feel it was "appropriate" as he was so close to the Irish. So he stuck to his strategist/selector role until the paddies had departed.
My immediate reaction was ....fuck off then and clear your desk, if that's where your allegiances are.
That is some super weak sauce
Don’t let the door hit you in the arse on the way out
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Steve said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Gregor Paul also mentioned on a podcast that Schmidt had been approached to work as attack coach during the Irish series but didn't feel it was "appropriate" as he was so close to the Irish. So he stuck to his strategist/selector role until the paddies had departed.
My immediate reaction was ....fuck off then and clear your desk, if that's where your allegiances are.
That is some super weak sauce
Don’t let the door hit you in the arse on the way out
Grant Fox said the same thing earlier this year.
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@voodoo said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Don't disagree with those saying the difference was largely in the forwards (as always).
But the scene was set for this one from the outset when our first backline play was a Havili crash ball straight off 10, and we followed it a few seconds later with an insipid Mo'unga high kick to nowhere
Players being asked to do things that don't suit their game, us wasting the decent ball we have.
I also think a lot of blame for our performances should be laid at A Smith's feet. We relied on him so much for so long, and now he offers no game management, no clever kicking, certainly no sniping. Time to move on I think, at least for the EOYT
BB and Mo'unga carving up SR and leading their teams to the final, and then looking completely fucking lost for the ABs, is probably the most damning thing about the AB coaches right now.
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@voodoo said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Don't disagree with those saying the difference was largely in the forwards (as always).
But the scene was set for this one from the outset when our first backline play was a Havili crash ball straight off 10, and we followed it a few seconds later with an insipid Mo'unga high kick to nowhere
Players being asked to do things that don't suit their game, us wasting the decent ball we have.
I also think a lot of blame for our performances should be laid at A Smith's feet. We relied on him so much for so long, and now he offers no game management, no clever kicking, certainly no sniping. Time to move on I think, at least for the EOYT
BB and Mo'unga carving up SR and leading their teams to the final, and then looking completely fucking lost for the ABs, is probably the most damning thing about the AB coaches right now.
Just to cheer everyone up, IMO had Owen Farrell or Jonny Sexton come on for us at the 50 we would have won easily.
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@voodoo said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Don't disagree with those saying the difference was largely in the forwards (as always).
But the scene was set for this one from the outset when our first backline play was a Havili crash ball straight off 10, and we followed it a few seconds later with an insipid Mo'unga high kick to nowhere
Players being asked to do things that don't suit their game, us wasting the decent ball we have.
I also think a lot of blame for our performances should be laid at A Smith's feet. We relied on him so much for so long, and now he offers no game management, no clever kicking, certainly no sniping. Time to move on I think, at least for the EOYT
BB and Mo'unga carving up SR and leading their teams to the final, and then looking completely fucking lost for the ABs, is probably the most damning thing about the AB coaches right now.
Just to cheer everyone up, IMO had Owen Farrell or Jonny Sexton come on for us at the 50 we would have won easily.
@pakman said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@voodoo said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Don't disagree with those saying the difference was largely in the forwards (as always).
But the scene was set for this one from the outset when our first backline play was a Havili crash ball straight off 10, and we followed it a few seconds later with an insipid Mo'unga high kick to nowhere
Players being asked to do things that don't suit their game, us wasting the decent ball we have.
I also think a lot of blame for our performances should be laid at A Smith's feet. We relied on him so much for so long, and now he offers no game management, no clever kicking, certainly no sniping. Time to move on I think, at least for the EOYT
BB and Mo'unga carving up SR and leading their teams to the final, and then looking completely fucking lost for the ABs, is probably the most damning thing about the AB coaches right now.
Just to cheer everyone up, IMO had Owen Farrell or Jonny Sexton come on for us at the 50 we would have won easily.
We would've won with Jimmy Gopperth
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@voodoo said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Don't disagree with those saying the difference was largely in the forwards (as always).
But the scene was set for this one from the outset when our first backline play was a Havili crash ball straight off 10, and we followed it a few seconds later with an insipid Mo'unga high kick to nowhere
Players being asked to do things that don't suit their game, us wasting the decent ball we have.
I also think a lot of blame for our performances should be laid at A Smith's feet. We relied on him so much for so long, and now he offers no game management, no clever kicking, certainly no sniping. Time to move on I think, at least for the EOYT
BB and Mo'unga carving up SR and leading their teams to the final, and then looking completely fucking lost for the ABs, is probably the most damning thing about the AB coaches right now.
Just to cheer everyone up, IMO had Owen Farrell or Jonny Sexton come on for us at the 50 we would have won easily.
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I do not know of any other sport or any other team for that matter that would have allowed the coach to stay on with the record that Foster has in the last couple of years. The rot starts at the top and the whole NZ board should have a look at themselves and there decisions. It is just a good old boys club that needs to cleared out. If they Robinson and Foster do not go then we could be in for a few years of heart ache. I do not care if Foster is s good bloke. If this goes on and he does not resign then he has no shame.
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Rewatched Q3. Lots I could say, but we turned down two kickable penalties. Both led to nil points. First from highly dubious ‘blocking penalty’.
Game changers, in that if ABs within 3 going on to last 10 they’d never have lost.
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Actually thought all 3 front row that came on were pretty average. Mind you they weren't alone.
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Actually thought all 3 front row that came on were pretty average. Mind you they weren't alone.
Rewatch of Q3 suggests they were alright up to 60, apart from one ludicrous pass back from Bower 5m out.
@pakman said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Actually thought all 3 front row that came on were pretty average. Mind you they weren't alone.
Rewatch of Q3 suggests they were alright up to 60, apart from one ludicrous pass back from Bower 5m out.
You sick bastard
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Now 60 - 70. First Whitelock knock across at lineout called forward. Then ref misses clear knock on, then penalised Cane for off ball tackle on Mantera. So that three points should never have happened.
Then ABs hot on attack, with Akira doing lots of carrying. Rieko cuts back into traffic. Puma 12 off feet then back on and jackals. Is that legal? If not shot almost in front. As is ref says fine and then penalises us for sealing off.
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Last 10. Just after Cane penalty ref warned him for repeated infringements near the 22. The Pumas had spent almost NO time in our half, and none in 22! Perhaps something he’d heard other refs say.
Lineout maul on halfway splinters. Then goes forward sidewise on two fronts. Frizell joins one front and pinged, which seemed marginal. But sent to bin because of bogus warning.
Then we get down to THEIR 22 for minutes at a time and Pumas offside at almost every breakdown. IMO REAL yellow card time but ref does nothing. Cardiff 2007.
Finally a penalty and straight Taylor throw (poss down our line) called not straight.
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Last 10. Just after Cane penalty ref warned him for repeated infringements near the 22. The Pumas had spent almost NO time in our half, and none in 22! Perhaps something he’d heard other refs say.
Lineout maul on halfway splinters. Then goes forward sidewise on two fronts. Frizell joins one front and pinged, which seemed marginal. But sent to bin because of bogus warning.
Then we get down to THEIR 22 for minutes at a time and Pumas offside at almost every breakdown. IMO REAL yellow card time but ref does nothing. Cardiff 2007.
Finally a penalty and straight Taylor throw (poss down our line) called not straight.
Extraordinary refereeing display.
