Kane Baz & Timmy Win Stuff
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He's got as much right to be there as Mark butcher
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<p>He's got as much right to be there as Mark butcher</p>
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<p>An average test player is still way better than someone who didn't play a single one.</p> -
<p>He was a fairly good county batsman and skipper of Hampshire for ages. By all accounts his captaincy was inspired, aggressive, unorthodox (further list of superlatives available on request) but the gist of it is that he was a very intelligent cricketer that got a lot more out of himself than his natural talent would normally allow and also got a lot more out of his team. A conscious incompetent I think is the term. What is does mean though is that his knowledge, commentary etc should not be dismissed just because he wasn't a test player. I can think of many test players, cricketers and rugby players that make shite pundits let alone commentators. </p>
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<p>Good analogy, I guess that as a cricket fan you subconsciously listen to the guy who's been there and done that as a player. Craig Cummings record was extremely modest but he did play for his country at the very least and while Smithy, Doull and Rigor can be a bit love/hate at times all three of them had fine records. Rugby moves too fast for any "back in my day we did things differently" analogies for commentators so it's not an issue. </p>
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I've never subscribed to that bullshit "you have to have played at the highest level to comment" especially if you're going to include any mug who got a cap.<br><br>
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<p>I've never subscribed to that bullshit "you have to have played at the highest level to comment" especially if you're going to include any mug who got a cap.<br><br>
There would be bunch of guys from the Aus first class scene from the 90s and early 2000s who've forgotten more about cricket than a bunch of modest test players ever knew.</p>
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<p>Fair call, that's probably true in some cases but Mark Nicholas hardly had a record that demanded his inclusion in the England team and in his era some real donkeys made the cut.</p> -
<p>Leaving aside his deep throating of anything Ocker, Nicholas has every right to a seat at the commentary table.</p>
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<p>Good county career. Captained Hampshire for a long time. Captained England A for a few tours. I'd say that gives him more "credibility" than a one test wonder for (e.g) Zimbabwe....</p>
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<p>Plenty of inferior players made it into the England side during his playing career. It seemed like his face didn't fit. Maybe he just didn't suck the right cock. If so, he's certainly taken that lesson on board.</p>
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<p>John Arlott, Tony Cozier, Harsha Bogle (never played cricket at any level), Brian Johnstone, Alan McGilvray, Jim Maxwell, Neil Manthorpe, Iain Galloway. Need I go on :idiot2:</p>
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<p>An understanding of cricket and an ability to communicate are the two keys, not a stellar playing career</p> -
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<p>Leaving aside his deep throating of anything Ocker, Nicholas has every right to a seat at the commentary table.</p>
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<p>Good county career. Captained Hampshire for a long time. Captained England A for a few tours. I'd say that gives him more "credibility" than a one test wonder for (e.g) Zimbabwe....</p>
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<p>Plenty of inferior players made it into the England side during his playing career. It seemed like his face didn't fit. Maybe he just didn't suck the right cock. If so, he's certainly taken that lesson on board.</p>
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<p>John Arlott, Tony Cozier, Harsha Bogle (never played cricket at any level), Brian Johnstone, Alan McGilvray, Jim Maxwell, Neil Manthorpe, Iain Galloway. Need I go on :idiot2:</p>
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<p><strong>An understanding of cricket and an ability to communicate are the two keys, not a stellar playing career</strong></p>
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<p>Yep but if you do that PLUS have a stellar career you're gonna be held in higher regard. R Benaud the best example of that.</p> -
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<p>Yep but if you do that PLUS have a stellar career you're gonna be held in higher regard. R Benaud the best example of that.</p>
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<p>That's not what you said though</p>
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<p>An average test player is still way better than someone who didn't play a single one.</p>
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<p>This statement is just utter crap</p> -
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<p>That's not what you said though</p>
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<p>This statement is just utter crap</p>
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<p>Why ? people always go on about the pinnacle of any sport being representing your country, so many more nerves, it seems to go much faster etcetc. That experience, even once, is in my opinion more priceless than however many provincial/county games.</p>
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<p>Anyway, not getting drawn into a stupid argument which no one will win so just gonna leave it there.</p> -
<p>haha you are talking so much shit. </p>
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<p>Why ? people always go on about the pinnacle of any sport being representing your country, so many more nerves, it seems to go much faster etcetc. That experience, even once, is in my opinion more priceless than however many provincial/county games.</p>
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<p>Anyway, not getting drawn into a stupid argument which no one will win so just gonna leave it there.</p>
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<p>By "noone" do you mean "MN5"?</p>
