All Blacks v Argentina II
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Akira, Sotutu, DP
Uh.... Savea bench? He's your best 7 option right now.
@NTA said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Akira, Sotutu, DP
Uh.... Savea bench? He's your best 7 option right now.
A player that hasn't played openside in years and doesn't hit rucks is now our best option..?
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@taniwharugby I take your point about combinations.
However, the ABs have a recent record of losing a game to someone they really shouldn't (Wallabies, Pumas) and then stomping the shit out of them the next time out.
Los Pumas 25-15 ABs at Bankwest in 2020.
Two weeks later it was 38-zip in Newcastle - and Argentina had 2 draws with the Wallabies either side of that.So you could put in that back row combination and win the game, but it may not be due at all to the individuals or combinations involved.
The Pumas beat the ABs the way everyone beats the ABs: make your tackles, limit your mistakes, and keep the pressure on.
When one of those three things fails, you're going to get run over.
@NTA said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@taniwharugby I take your point about combinations.
However, the ABs have a recent record of losing a game to someone they really shouldn't (Wallabies, Pumas) and then stomping the shit out of them the next time out.
Los Pumas 25-15 ABs at Bankwest in 2020.
Two weeks later it was 38-zip in Newcastle - and Argentina had 2 draws with the Wallabies either side of that.So you could put in that back row combination and win the game, but it may not be due at all to the individuals or combinations involved.
The Pumas beat the ABs the way everyone beats the ABs: make your tackles, limit your mistakes, and keep the pressure on.
When one of those three things fails, you're going to get run over.
I'd have agreed with you until I watched the third Irish test.
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The fact that they've brought Retallick back into the squad suggests he'll be in the 23. Vaa'i didn't even get off the bench in Chch.
@Bovidae said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Vaa'i didn't even get off the bench in Chch
it's quite apparent that there are an enormous number of players in teh squad that they have not faith in.
and some they appear to have far too much misplaced faith in
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The fact that they've brought Retallick back into the squad suggests he'll be in the 23. Vaa'i didn't even get off the bench in Chch.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Vaa'i didn't even get off the bench in Chch
it's quite apparent that there are an enormous number of players in teh squad that they have not faith in.
and some they appear to have far too much misplaced faith in
@mariner4life You've got to wonder if half the squad do not share the faith in Foster that the undroppables do ...
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Vaa'i didn't even get off the bench in Chch
it's quite apparent that there are an enormous number of players in teh squad that they have not faith in.
and some they appear to have far too much misplaced faith in
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Vaa'i didn't even get off the bench in Chch
it's quite apparent that there are an enormous number of players in teh squad that they have not faith in.
and some they appear to have far too much misplaced faith in
When under pressure coaches usually revert to selecting their experienced players. Vaa'i started in a test against Arg last year so it's not like he hasn't been there before.
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@Bovidae which just proves they are grasping at straws...Brodie is a shadow of his former self, yet we have 1 fit young lock in the squad and he cant get a look in.
Einstein had a quote about what we are doing....
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Bovidae which just proves they are grasping at straws...Brodie is a shadow of his former self, yet we have 1 fit young lock in the squad and he cant get a look in.
Einstein had a quote about what we are doing....
"We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them"?
Or is it the one I test out every Friday?
"It should be possible to explain the laws of physics to a barmaid." -
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Bovidae which just proves they are grasping at straws...Brodie is a shadow of his former self, yet we have 1 fit young lock in the squad and he cant get a look in.
Einstein had a quote about what we are doing....
"We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them"?
Or is it the one I test out every Friday?
"It should be possible to explain the laws of physics to a barmaid." -
I expect us to win whoever we put out. One obvious pattern over the past two years is that the coaching/senior players solve last week's problems for the next game.
If the Argies can offer something new (unlikely) then that could throw a spanner in the works.
Currently we are building a team that will lose a knockout game, can't string two good games together, let alone the three you need to win a World Cup.
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@nostrildamus brilliant work sir.
To go to Feynman on game plans:
It doesn’t matter how beautiful your theory is, it doesn’t matter how smart you are. If it doesn't agree with experiment, it’s wrong@nzzp said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@nostrildamus brilliant work sir.
To go to Feynman on game plans:
It doesn’t matter how beautiful your theory is, it doesn’t matter how smart you are. If it doesn't agree with experiment, it’s wrongFeynman would have to be on my list of ideal dinner companions in the afterlife (where all the rugby is free to air).
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@nzzp said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@nostrildamus brilliant work sir.
To go to Feynman on game plans:
It doesn’t matter how beautiful your theory is, it doesn’t matter how smart you are. If it doesn't agree with experiment, it’s wrongFeynman would have to be on my list of ideal dinner companions in the afterlife (where all the rugby is free to air).
@nostrildamus assume that is a Rugby history channel playing AB rugby pre-2016?
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@nostrildamus assume that is a Rugby history channel playing AB rugby pre-2016?
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@nostrildamus assume that is a Rugby history channel playing AB rugby pre-2016?
Just watching the Mehrts video highlights someone posted and yes, the rugby just looked so much better (for some reason his tackling doesn't seem to appear that often in the highlights video)...
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The heat might be on, so they need to roll the dice.
De Groot, ST, Newell (or is he other side) for 65 mins
SW (c) Vaai
Akira, Sotutu, DP
Fakatava, Mounga
Tupaea, Reiko
Clarke, Jordie, JordanColes, lomax, Bower, SB, Savea, Smith, perofeta, Reece
@taniwharugby I'd said that's more panicking than rolling the dice.
I didn't read one person last week who wasn't saying keep the team that beat the Boks, it's all about continuity, Foster's worst problem is chopping and changing.....
I'd keep the tight 5 - chuck in some any/one other than Taylor for the bench.
The loosies I would look at changing. Sotutu should come in but how long since he had game time? We need to select a loose forward trio not just the three players that we want to run on. Personally I think Cane gets a lot of shit because he'sdoing a job others aren't but I think he should get rested. Savea to the bench.
I'd leave the backs as they are evn though I'm not sold on any of them really, but they get told it's last drink at the saloon and make them do what worked in SAII i.e. abandon the flat attack BS
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The heat might be on, so they need to roll the dice.
De Groot, ST, Newell (or is he other side) for 65 mins
SW (c) Vaai
Akira, Sotutu, DP
Fakatava, Mounga
Tupaea, Reiko
Clarke, Jordie, JordanColes, lomax, Bower, SB, Savea, Smith, perofeta, Reece
@taniwharugby yuk! no.
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@taniwharugby I'd said that's more panicking than rolling the dice.
I didn't read one person last week who wasn't saying keep the team that beat the Boks, it's all about continuity, Foster's worst problem is chopping and changing.....
I'd keep the tight 5 - chuck in some any/one other than Taylor for the bench.
The loosies I would look at changing. Sotutu should come in but how long since he had game time? We need to select a loose forward trio not just the three players that we want to run on. Personally I think Cane gets a lot of shit because he'sdoing a job others aren't but I think he should get rested. Savea to the bench.
I'd leave the backs as they are evn though I'm not sold on any of them really, but they get told it's last drink at the saloon and make them do what worked in SAII i.e. abandon the flat attack BS
@dogmeat said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
I didn't read one person last week who wasn't saying keep the team that beat the Boks, it's all about continuity, Foster's worst problem is chopping and changing.....
I expect people were sitting with baited breath to see if we could back up Ellis PArk...turned out we couldnt.
At some point we need to realise what we are doing aint working and start building for the future, some of the younger guys need to be given a chance to step up, while giving some (Savea) a rest.
Problem is, Fozzie has dug himself a big ol' hole, and I expect he is hoping his tried and tested (and failed for the past 10 months) will pull through and give him some breathing space.
Whatever way he plays it, something is bound to go wrong anyway!
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Akira, Sotutu, DP
Uh.... Savea bench? He's your best 7 option right now.
@NTA said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Akira, Sotutu, DP
Uh.... Savea bench? He's your best 7 option right now.
He's barely played 7 in years, and quite frankly I think the style he plays now isn't really a 7 style. Plus, he's out best 2nd half impact forward, be better having him do it fresh than after a first half
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Cane will be fresh after the rest he got last week
I guess with Retallick being fit we will see….
4- Retallick
5 - Whitelock
6 - S. Barrett
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@NTA said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Akira, Sotutu, DP
Uh.... Savea bench? He's your best 7 option right now.
He's barely played 7 in years, and quite frankly I think the style he plays now isn't really a 7 style. Plus, he's out best 2nd half impact forward, be better having him do it fresh than after a first half
@Nepia One of our (many) issues is that no one really plays the seven game - or the eight - or the fucking six for shits sake.
It is one reason why it is difficult to pick the loosies or even evaluate their performances. Is Cane shit because he's not a fetcher or is he buried in the tight covering for others. If so is it because the others are shirking or following instructions.
You can make similar arguments for all three positions
Oh for the good old days of a fast pilfering link player, a tall enforcer type that scares the opposition and can make good metres and another lineout option who ranges wider as a sort of blend of the first two. All three of whom hit hard in the tackle and empty their tanks.
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@NTA said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Akira, Sotutu, DP
Uh.... Savea bench? He's your best 7 option right now.
He's barely played 7 in years, and quite frankly I think the style he plays now isn't really a 7 style. Plus, he's out best 2nd half impact forward, be better having him do it fresh than after a first half
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@NTA said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Akira, Sotutu, DP
Uh.... Savea bench? He's your best 7 option right now.
He's barely played 7 in years, and quite frankly I think the style he plays now isn't really a 7 style. Plus, he's out best 2nd half impact forward, be better having him do it fresh than after a first half
I thought last years match against the Argies with him at 7, Blackadder at 6 and Sotutu at 8 was pretty effective.
