All Blacks v Argentina II
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Did anyone else see Matera shove Coles when they were shaking hands? Coles must of upset him pretty bad for him to do that.
Probably best of mates off the field
@Nevorian said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Did anyone else see Matera shove Coles when they were shaking hands? Coles must of upset him pretty bad for him to do that.
Probably best of mates off the field
Yeah when they had the shoving match on the field it just looked like Matera was having a laugh.
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@Victor-Meldrew I'd drop both wingers, but there's not really anyone to replace Clarke - he's just a bit rough imo, falls off tackles far too easily for a big bloke and half the time tackles himself before trying to bump someone off. He's improving though.
I think Reece has oodles more to offer than Jordan at the moment. Intensity and commitment would be a good start.
@Bones said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Victor-Meldrew I'd drop both wingers, but there's not really anyone to replace Clarke - he's just a bit rough imo, falls off tackles far too easily for a big bloke and half the time tackles himself before trying to bump someone off. He's improving though.
I think Reece has oodles more to offer than Jordan at the moment. Intensity and commitment would be a good start.
Agree on Caleb. I'd stick with him in the 23 but give Reece a start.
I'd also stick with Will Jordan for now. I think it's just that things are going his way. Some of his defensive work is top-notch
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@Victor-Meldrew I'd drop both wingers, but there's not really anyone to replace Clarke - he's just a bit rough imo, falls off tackles far too easily for a big bloke and half the time tackles himself before trying to bump someone off. He's improving though.
I think Reece has oodles more to offer than Jordan at the moment. Intensity and commitment would be a good start.
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@Bones Jordan's a fullback, Jordie's a fullback - and neither of them are a patch on Reece on the wing.
We just need to make a decision instead of trying to squeeze them both onto the field.@reprobate said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Bones Jordan's a fullback, Jordie's a fullback - and neither of them are a patch on Reece on the wing.
We just need to make a decision instead of trying to squeeze them both onto the field.Jordie to 12, easy. He can at least hit the line hard, and rieko and him seen to operate very well together
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@reprobate Argentina had a shitter, they played worse than Ireland in the first test.
Still, was nice to see the solid set piece and the distinct lack of tits for hands.
I don't think the kicking game is as bad as the appalling chasing game makes it look.
@Bones said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@reprobate Argentina had a shitter, they played worse than Ireland in the first test.
Cause and effect had nothing to do with it huh?
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@Bones said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@reprobate Argentina had a shitter, they played worse than Ireland in the first test.
Cause and effect had nothing to do with it huh?
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Bones said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@reprobate Argentina had a shitter, they played worse than Ireland in the first test.
Cause and effect had nothing to do with it huh?
our forwards got them on the back foot and they looked ordinary when they couldn't pressure us.
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@Bones said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@reprobate Argentina had a shitter, they played worse than Ireland in the first test.
Cause and effect had nothing to do with it huh?
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Bones said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@reprobate Argentina had a shitter, they played worse than Ireland in the first test.
Cause and effect had nothing to do with it huh?
Imo is like most things, complex. Argy played poorly, ABs played better, and that feeds of each other, amplifying both things. And one thing is still true, give the ABs the space and they will rip you apart. It's just so rare for top teams to do that anymore
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@antipodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Bones said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@reprobate Argentina had a shitter, they played worse than Ireland in the first test.
Cause and effect had nothing to do with it huh?
Imo is like most things, complex. Argy played poorly, ABs played better, and that feeds of each other, amplifying both things. And one thing is still true, give the ABs the space and they will rip you apart. It's just so rare for top teams to do that anymore
@Machpants said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Bones said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@reprobate Argentina had a shitter, they played worse than Ireland in the first test.
Cause and effect had nothing to do with it huh?
Imo is like most things, complex. Argy played poorly, ABs played better, and that feeds of each other, amplifying both things. And one thing is still true, give the ABs the space and they will rip you apart. It's just so rare for top teams to do that anymore
it wasn't just space though was it, but also a great deal with forwards driving up the middle, supporting each other, and not giving an inch.
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People just need to keep in mind that Argentina didn't play much rugby last week either. They were just kept in it by poor discipline and some weird refereeing. A lucky bounce and then some panic cemented it.
The turnaround this week was the All Blacks accuracy and better refereeing.
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@Machpants said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Bones said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@reprobate Argentina had a shitter, they played worse than Ireland in the first test.
Cause and effect had nothing to do with it huh?
Imo is like most things, complex. Argy played poorly, ABs played better, and that feeds of each other, amplifying both things. And one thing is still true, give the ABs the space and they will rip you apart. It's just so rare for top teams to do that anymore
it wasn't just space though was it, but also a great deal with forwards driving up the middle, supporting each other, and not giving an inch.
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Machpants said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Bones said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@reprobate Argentina had a shitter, they played worse than Ireland in the first test.
Cause and effect had nothing to do with it huh?
Imo is like most things, complex. Argy played poorly, ABs played better, and that feeds of each other, amplifying both things. And one thing is still true, give the ABs the space and they will rip you apart. It's just so rare for top teams to do that anymore
it wasn't just space though was it, but also a great deal with forwards driving up the middle, supporting each other, and not giving an inch.
Passes to players and players catching the frikken ball!
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@reprobate said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Bones Jordan's a fullback, Jordie's a fullback - and neither of them are a patch on Reece on the wing.
We just need to make a decision instead of trying to squeeze them both onto the field.Jordie to 12, easy. He can at least hit the line hard, and rieko and him seen to operate very well together
@Machpants said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@reprobate said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Bones Jordan's a fullback, Jordie's a fullback - and neither of them are a patch on Reece on the wing.
We just need to make a decision instead of trying to squeeze them both onto the field.Jordie to 12, easy. He can at least hit the line hard, and rieko and him seen to operate very well together
I think this is the move to make. Jordie can do the little chip kicks as good if not better than Havili anyway. There is nothing Havili does that Jordie can't do in my opinion.
I want to see Will Jordan getting the ball with the field in front of him and picking out fatties to run at.
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@Bones said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@reprobate Argentina had a shitter, they played worse than Ireland in the first test.
Cause and effect had nothing to do with it huh?
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Bones said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@reprobate Argentina had a shitter, they played worse than Ireland in the first test.
Cause and effect had nothing to do with it huh?
I'm sure we could have put in a performance as seen in most other tests and at least made them look ok.
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@Machpants said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@reprobate said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Bones Jordan's a fullback, Jordie's a fullback - and neither of them are a patch on Reece on the wing.
We just need to make a decision instead of trying to squeeze them both onto the field.Jordie to 12, easy. He can at least hit the line hard, and rieko and him seen to operate very well together
I think this is the move to make. Jordie can do the little chip kicks as good if not better than Havili anyway. There is nothing Havili does that Jordie can't do in my opinion.
I want to see Will Jordan getting the ball with the field in front of him and picking out fatties to run at.
@Steve said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Machpants said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@reprobate said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Bones Jordan's a fullback, Jordie's a fullback - and neither of them are a patch on Reece on the wing.
We just need to make a decision instead of trying to squeeze them both onto the field.Jordie to 12, easy. He can at least hit the line hard, and rieko and him seen to operate very well together
I think this is the move to make. Jordie can do the little chip kicks as good if not better than Havili anyway. There is nothing Havili does that Jordie can't do in my opinion.
I want to see Will Jordan getting the ball with the field in front of him and picking out fatties to run at.
I suspect DH links a little quicker and is a more intuitive player but yes Jordie's bulk would be handy.
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@Bones said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Victor-Meldrew I'd drop both wingers, but there's not really anyone to replace Clarke - he's just a bit rough imo, falls off tackles far too easily for a big bloke and half the time tackles himself before trying to bump someone off. He's improving though.
I think Reece has oodles more to offer than Jordan at the moment. Intensity and commitment would be a good start.
Agree on Caleb. I'd stick with him in the 23 but give Reece a start.
I'd also stick with Will Jordan for now. I think it's just that things are going his way. Some of his defensive work is top-notch
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
I think it's just that things are going his way.
The harder you work, the luckier you get.
Things aren't going to go his way if he keeps halfheartedly chasing kicks and overrunning players with the ball because he's too lazy to get aligned properly.
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I'm still not completely sold on Lomax, but the alternatives are even worse (and old). He isn't very effective taking the ball into contact and is far too upright.
@Bovidae said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
I'm still not completely sold on Lomax, but the alternatives are even worse (and old). He isn't very effective taking the ball into contact and is far too upright.
Ofa? But Lomax for me supplants Angus T.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
I'm still not completely sold on Lomax, but the alternatives are even worse (and old). He isn't very effective taking the ball into contact and is far too upright.
Ofa? But Lomax for me supplants Angus T.
@pakman said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
I'm still not completely sold on Lomax, but the alternatives are even worse (and old). He isn't very effective taking the ball into contact and is far too upright.
Ofa? But Lomax for me supplants Angus T.
Lomax doesn’t do as many dumb things as Ofa. Ofa replaces Angus
