Wallabies v Springboks 2 - Sydney
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@Dan54 said in Wallabies v Springboks 2 - Sydney:
Mate I just didn't think you were a ref whinger,
Actually in this case it's more the TMO.
If we're going to look for incidents in every collision with the benefit of video, the game is more fucked than I thought. Particularly when it's inconsistent across games.
How many times did someone clip someone's head or neck? I'm all for player safety but there comes a point where people switch off.
It didn't affect the outcome, but it is still extremely frustrating either live or on TV
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@SidBarret said in Wallabies v Springboks 2 - Sydney:
@NTA god you must have hated the 39th minute of game one
You'll have to refresh my memory?
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@Dan54 watching incident again im a little annoyed - Mapimpi got yellow because of the fracas rather than the action, by exact same logic Valitini should have sat for coming in making it what it was
@SidBarret said in Wallabies v Springboks 2 - Sydney:
@Dan54 watching incident again im a little annoyed - Mapimpi got yellow because of the fracas rather than the action, by exact same logic Valitini should have sat for coming in making it what it was
I have to admit that I found the result of that fracas rather weird. What Mapimpi did was nothing different to actions in almost every game. A little statement of who won the battle on that occasion.
I guess that some action was required and BOK took the easy path of YCing the catalyst for all the shitfuckery that went on straight after.
Koroibete might need to work on his “tackle” technique for union though. I think he’s been quite lucky in the last two games that the ref team have had other things to look at in his incidents but I can see another ref punishing him for his poor timing with the wrap. That attempt on Mapimpi was a swinging arm to the head but got lost in the afters.
All in all the refs had some odd situations to deal with and were at least clear and concise in their decisions even if some could be debated. BOK is becoming the closest ref around to Mark Lawrence. Remains very calm and explains his reasons.
I get that we don’t want refs taking the colour out of the game but someone should have put that gnat White in his box early. His mouth and actions were a major contributor to the niggle from both sides.
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@SidBarret said in Wallabies v Springboks 2 - Sydney:
@NTA god you must have hated the 39th minute of game one
You'll have to refresh my memory?
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@NTA there was a tackle on the try line, Springbok 11 knock the ball on and Aus 9 was viciously assaulted from the ensuing scrum
@SidBarret said in Wallabies v Springboks 2 - Sydney:
@NTA there was a tackle on the try line, Springbok 11 knock the ball on and Aus 9 was viciously assaulted from the ensuing scrum
Oh that. Yes I found it distasteful and felt that the yellow was correct and that White should have been penalised to reverse it.
I'm not blaming our loss on the ref tho.
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@SidBarret said in Wallabies v Springboks 2 - Sydney:
@Dan54 watching incident again im a little annoyed - Mapimpi got yellow because of the fracas rather than the action, by exact same logic Valitini should have sat for coming in making it what it was
I have to admit that I found the result of that fracas rather weird. What Mapimpi did was nothing different to actions in almost every game. A little statement of who won the battle on that occasion.
I guess that some action was required and BOK took the easy path of YCing the catalyst for all the shitfuckery that went on straight after.
Koroibete might need to work on his “tackle” technique for union though. I think he’s been quite lucky in the last two games that the ref team have had other things to look at in his incidents but I can see another ref punishing him for his poor timing with the wrap. That attempt on Mapimpi was a swinging arm to the head but got lost in the afters.
All in all the refs had some odd situations to deal with and were at least clear and concise in their decisions even if some could be debated. BOK is becoming the closest ref around to Mark Lawrence. Remains very calm and explains his reasons.
I get that we don’t want refs taking the colour out of the game but someone should have put that gnat White in his box early. His mouth and actions were a major contributor to the niggle from both sides.
He wouldn’t last long in the days of players being allowed to sort out fucktards during play.@Crucial i have no problem with Koroibete's tackle in this game. Yes it touched Mapimpis face but in that situation it happens and Im fine with it. I also understand Mapimpis reaction to feeling the contact to the head reacting.
I don't like the tackle from last week, but im ok with the ref disagreeing with me, but i am not ok with the decisions that bookends it. Faainga should have been binned and Faf not.
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@SidBarret said in Wallabies v Springboks 2 - Sydney:
@NTA there was a tackle on the try line, Springbok 11 knock the ball on and Aus 9 was viciously assaulted from the ensuing scrum
Oh that. Yes I found it distasteful and felt that the yellow was correct and that White should have been penalised to reverse it.
I'm not blaming our loss on the ref tho.
@NTA the reason i picked that example was because because the wallabies just got on lucky side of three calls on their line and then the rmo reviewed a nothing incident that resulted in yellow the other way.
We know the 7a cleanput happens all the the time, but once reviewed penalty only is a very very lucky result for the wallabies
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@Crucial i have no problem with Koroibete's tackle in this game. Yes it touched Mapimpis face but in that situation it happens and Im fine with it. I also understand Mapimpis reaction to feeling the contact to the head reacting.
I don't like the tackle from last week, but im ok with the ref disagreeing with me, but i am not ok with the decisions that bookends it. Faainga should have been binned and Faf not.
@SidBarret not saying the tackle was really bad this time just that he has a tendency to wrap late like Owen Farrell. One day he’ll be walking off bemused because he does it in front of a project ref from Spain or somewhere.
I guess that Farrell has got away with it for years despite being the WR video example of a late wrap so MK probably will as well. -
@SidBarret not saying the tackle was really bad this time just that he has a tendency to wrap late like Owen Farrell. One day he’ll be walking off bemused because he does it in front of a project ref from Spain or somewhere.
I guess that Farrell has got away with it for years despite being the WR video example of a late wrap so MK probably will as well.@Crucial said in Wallabies v Springboks 2 - Sydney:
@SidBarret not saying the tackle was really bad this time just that he has a tendency to wrap late like Owen Farrell. One day he’ll be walking off bemused because he does it in front of a project ref from Spain or somewhere.
I guess that Farrell has got away with it for years despite being the WR video example of a late wrap so MK probably will as well.There was no problem with the wrap in that tackle, he touched the head but I'm completely fine with it.
He has a tendency to be close to limit, but this one was fine.
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My biggest reffing gripe would have been that BOK put a marker in early on attacker clean outs from the side then seemingly shelved it.
Lots of cleaners coming side on then walking around to wrestle the defender away and make their position unstable. They were effectively cleaning from the wrong side.
If we are going to have rucks the way WR allow they should be no different to scrums in that pushing/driving should be north/south not east/west. -
@Crucial said in Wallabies v Springboks 2 - Sydney:
@SidBarret not saying the tackle was really bad this time just that he has a tendency to wrap late like Owen Farrell. One day he’ll be walking off bemused because he does it in front of a project ref from Spain or somewhere.
I guess that Farrell has got away with it for years despite being the WR video example of a late wrap so MK probably will as well.There was no problem with the wrap in that tackle, he touched the head but I'm completely fine with it.
He has a tendency to be close to limit, but this one was fine.
@SidBarret said in Wallabies v Springboks 2 - Sydney:
@Crucial said in Wallabies v Springboks 2 - Sydney:
@SidBarret not saying the tackle was really bad this time just that he has a tendency to wrap late like Owen Farrell. One day he’ll be walking off bemused because he does it in front of a project ref from Spain or somewhere.
I guess that Farrell has got away with it for years despite being the WR video example of a late wrap so MK probably will as well.There was no problem with the wrap in that tackle, he touched the head but I'm completely fine with it.
He has a tendency to be close to limit, but this one was fine.
It is the tendency that I am referring to. Hits shoulder then wrap. Most refs will allow it as an attempt to use the arm but, as you say, close to the limit and he will get a decision he doesn’t like from it one day.
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Was that another yellow card (and try) earned by taking a quick tap 5m out , but not from the mark but instead adjacent to the incriminating ruck?
Highlights package didn't actually show me the place of offence,. But smells like another fake yellow. Although would 90% expect try to eventually come anyway from that field position even if ref made them retake it from the mark. But those yellows, sheesh, its shit sport.
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Willie Le Roux circles the scrap ready to get oh so physical....
@nostrildamus said in Wallabies v Springboks 2 - Sydney:
Willie Le Roux circles the scrap ready to get oh so physical....
Jack Russell
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Was that another yellow card (and try) earned by taking a quick tap 5m out , but not from the mark but instead adjacent to the incriminating ruck?
Highlights package didn't actually show me the place of offence,. But smells like another fake yellow. Although would 90% expect try to eventually come anyway from that field position even if ref made them retake it from the mark. But those yellows, sheesh, its shit sport.
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@Rapido so you're argument is that rugby would be better game to watch if ref is stricter about the millimeter of where a penalty is geven while ignoring the meters that defender is off side?
@SidBarret said in Wallabies v Springboks 2 - Sydney:
@Rapido so you're argument is that rugby would be better game to watch if ref is stricter about the millimeter of where a penalty is geven while ignoring the meters that defender is off side?
Absolutely 100%
The millimetres, though, is about 1500 of them, to his right. And the mark has a pile of bodies on it. So to take e it quick he would need to also go about a further 2000mm backwards .by which time defenders would have retreated.
Its terrible sport. Fake try, fake yellow, because of intellectual dishonesty by ref using same justification you gave used.
Occasionally a legit quick tap opportunity does present itself, and I applaud the quick thinking.
This quick tap was prevented by physics. Though. He needed about 2 extra seconds to do that legally
Boks still would have had plenty of options to score legitimate points from there. Might even have eventually got a yellow if aus offended again from whatever play they chose from that penalty.
But, that was fake
1 to 1.5m by 1 to 1.5 dogleg is huge distance when only 5m from line and half of defenders are on floor.
'Letting it go' didn't improve the match.
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@SidBarret said in Wallabies v Springboks 2 - Sydney:
@Rapido so you're argument is that rugby would be better game to watch if ref is stricter about the millimeter of where a penalty is geven while ignoring the meters that defender is off side?
Absolutely 100%
The millimetres, though, is about 1500 of them, to his right. And the mark has a pile of bodies on it. So to take e it quick he would need to also go about a further 2000mm backwards .by which time defenders would have retreated.
Its terrible sport. Fake try, fake yellow, because of intellectual dishonesty by ref using same justification you gave used.
Occasionally a legit quick tap opportunity does present itself, and I applaud the quick thinking.
This quick tap was prevented by physics. Though. He needed about 2 extra seconds to do that legally
Boks still would have had plenty of options to score legitimate points from there. Might even have eventually got a yellow if aus offended again from whatever play they chose from that penalty.
But, that was fake
1 to 1.5m by 1 to 1.5 dogleg is huge distance when only 5m from line and half of defenders are on floor.
'Letting it go' didn't improve the match.
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I recall having these discussions before on here, usually with not much agreement (but I appreciate the MikeTheSnow likes for my current crusade....
)So, I did a search for my interest, and there's several, usually also of me referencing myself from my previous times. So, why not add to it.
I notice, this gripe was also with BO'K allowing it.
This was from the 57-0 thrashing match:
and from last week:
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I would be interested in how @NTA sees David Rennie as a coach,And the Aussie rugby public rate him.
Is he making a difference building towards the WC
Are you guys improving under him, Stagnating or going backwards.@Chris said in Wallabies v Springboks 2 - Sydney:
I would be interested in how @NTA sees David Rennie as a coach,And the Aussie rugby public rate him.
Is he making a difference building towards the WC
Are you guys improving under him, Stagnating or going backwards.I think he's doing about as well as you could expect, given the personnel provided by our rubbish development systems.
Could anyone do better? Nope.
