2023 World Sevens Series
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@ARHS Not sure what you mean with "mess". Is Fred Jones Park far from the stadium?
What's different?
@Stargazer said in 2023 World Sevens Series:
@ARHS Not sure what you mean with "mess". Is Fred Jones Park far from the stadium?
What's different?
I hate the two fields thing when you pay for a seat and it is busy and people keep getting up and down and obstructing your view. This takes it to another level.
Did initially think they meant Beetham Park FJ which would have been quite ridiculous. But it is still quite a hike to get to the second ground when your amenities are the far side of the stand on the other side.
Some of the timings are horrid. The matches stagger across grounds with no consistency. Some start aligned and some halfway through. The clash at 1.20 on second day could be an issue if a popular team does not qualify for the mens Cup. And if you want to watch the men's or womens primarily then you are screwed too.
I really like the formats used previously in Hong Kong Wellington and Hamilton and have been to a large number of sevens events over 40 years. The last 2 televised tournaments in 2022 infuriated me with all their breaks and missed matches and staggered timings. Made it hard for me to watch a bunch of selected matches. This schedule seems bound to have lots of people moving around both between and during matches and plenty of folks getting to their seats late.
In my view they have killed the simplicity of it all by squeezing in lots more matches regardless of the consequences. Play separate events or play 3 full days and a part day. Or limit to 12 teams for both.
I am not surprised that NZ is no longer a host if it has become this mickey mouse.
Just FYI I enjoy wandering between courts at Stanley St tennis to see as many players as possible. But those matches last 6 times longer or more. It does not suit sevens. -
@Stargazer said in 2023 World Sevens Series:
@ARHS Not sure what you mean with "mess". Is Fred Jones Park far from the stadium?
What's different?
I hate the two fields thing when you pay for a seat and it is busy and people keep getting up and down and obstructing your view. This takes it to another level.
Did initially think they meant Beetham Park FJ which would have been quite ridiculous. But it is still quite a hike to get to the second ground when your amenities are the far side of the stand on the other side.
Some of the timings are horrid. The matches stagger across grounds with no consistency. Some start aligned and some halfway through. The clash at 1.20 on second day could be an issue if a popular team does not qualify for the mens Cup. And if you want to watch the men's or womens primarily then you are screwed too.
I really like the formats used previously in Hong Kong Wellington and Hamilton and have been to a large number of sevens events over 40 years. The last 2 televised tournaments in 2022 infuriated me with all their breaks and missed matches and staggered timings. Made it hard for me to watch a bunch of selected matches. This schedule seems bound to have lots of people moving around both between and during matches and plenty of folks getting to their seats late.
In my view they have killed the simplicity of it all by squeezing in lots more matches regardless of the consequences. Play separate events or play 3 full days and a part day. Or limit to 12 teams for both.
I am not surprised that NZ is no longer a host if it has become this mickey mouse.
Just FYI I enjoy wandering between courts at Stanley St tennis to see as many players as possible. But those matches last 6 times longer or more. It does not suit sevens.@ARHS I remember this being the case, before. Definitely in Sydney and a few other tournaments. I assume it's all due to the fact that they want to play both the men's and women's tournaments on the same two days. They somehow refuse to play these tournaments on three days in some legs of the Series. But that isn't actually new. That started in the years before Covid. Fortunately, not all tournament legs use the same format.
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@ARHS I remember this being the case, before. Definitely in Sydney and a few other tournaments. I assume it's all due to the fact that they want to play both the men's and women's tournaments on the same two days. They somehow refuse to play these tournaments on three days in some legs of the Series. But that isn't actually new. That started in the years before Covid. Fortunately, not all tournament legs use the same format.
@Stargazer said in 2023 World Sevens Series:
@ARHS I remember this being the case, before. Definitely in Sydney and a few other tournaments. I assume it's all due to the fact that they want to play both the men's and women's tournaments on the same two days. They somehow refuse to play these tournaments on three days in some legs of the Series. But that isn't actually new. That started in the years before Covid. Fortunately, not all tournament legs use the same format.
Yep. Noted. But I don't recall it ever getting quite this messy. Maybe less teams or a third day when both played??
I am seeing it from the spectator experience this time. I expect two very long days with plenty of frustrations and me only venturing to FJ once on the weekend. I have a few favourite teams in both genders and suspect that planning which match I watch on knockouts day will become a huge pain. -
Fred Jones is the field directly behind the main stand, the main field for Hamilton Old Boys. Beetham Park field that the All Blacks sometimes use is labelled Fred Jones on some maps.
@mikedogz said in 2023 World Sevens Series:
Fred Jones is the field directly behind the main stand, the main field for Hamilton Old Boys. Beetham Park field that the All Blacks sometimes use is labelled Fred Jones on some maps.
Yeah, the Google maps labelling has always been wrong. Beetham has a really good playing surface as it was relayed for the football. They should be using that field as entry could be controlled. Fred Jones is a typical club field.
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@Stargazer said in 2023 World Sevens Series:
@ARHS I remember this being the case, before. Definitely in Sydney and a few other tournaments. I assume it's all due to the fact that they want to play both the men's and women's tournaments on the same two days. They somehow refuse to play these tournaments on three days in some legs of the Series. But that isn't actually new. That started in the years before Covid. Fortunately, not all tournament legs use the same format.
Yep. Noted. But I don't recall it ever getting quite this messy. Maybe less teams or a third day when both played??
I am seeing it from the spectator experience this time. I expect two very long days with plenty of frustrations and me only venturing to FJ once on the weekend. I have a few favourite teams in both genders and suspect that planning which match I watch on knockouts day will become a huge pain.@ARHS Up to and including the 2019 Hamilton Sevens, it was only a men's tournament. In 2019, they organised a Women's Fast Four, but that was all. Only the 2020 Hamilton Sevens was both a men's and women's tournament, but they made a change to the format to make a tournament on two days possible: only the first-placed team from each pool progressed to the Cup semis. All the other teams played one less qualification match. It was a weird and much-criticised format (althought the other changed format they tried in the 2019 South Africa tournament was equally unpopular, when they scratched the 5th and 7th place play-offs).
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@ARHS Up to and including the 2019 Hamilton Sevens, it was only a men's tournament. In 2019, they organised a Women's Fast Four, but that was all. Only the 2020 Hamilton Sevens was both a men's and women's tournament, but they made a change to the format to make a tournament on two days possible: only the first-placed team from each pool progressed to the Cup semis. All the other teams played one less qualification match. It was a weird and much-criticised format (althought the other changed format they tried in the 2019 South Africa tournament was equally unpopular, when they scratched the 5th and 7th place play-offs).
@Stargazer yep thanks for confirming. I was there and enjoyed the fast 4 format. The other way was not great but this is far worse in my view.
I have done a lot of event scheduling, sometimes to accommodate streaming or TV. You look at the participant and spectator experience before you decide on an option from compromised choices. Sevens thrives on support from the sidelines to boost the players. And it is a great spectator experience to see it happening for lesser teams. Having so many matches on a second pitch without the stands will disappoint many. Surely the women have earned the right to have their own events or perhaps back to back events with the men over 3 days? Squeezing both into 2 days???
I am aware that a lot of folks are questioning World rugby on the major changes this year to 7s. A few teams will miss out as will some popular hosts. What on earth are they thinking? -
@Stargazer yep thanks for confirming. I was there and enjoyed the fast 4 format. The other way was not great but this is far worse in my view.
I have done a lot of event scheduling, sometimes to accommodate streaming or TV. You look at the participant and spectator experience before you decide on an option from compromised choices. Sevens thrives on support from the sidelines to boost the players. And it is a great spectator experience to see it happening for lesser teams. Having so many matches on a second pitch without the stands will disappoint many. Surely the women have earned the right to have their own events or perhaps back to back events with the men over 3 days? Squeezing both into 2 days???
I am aware that a lot of folks are questioning World rugby on the major changes this year to 7s. A few teams will miss out as will some popular hosts. What on earth are they thinking? -
Hamilton Sevens Draw (dates/times listed in NZDT)
Saturday 21 January 2023
10.16am: All Blacks Sevens v Tonga
11.44am: Black Ferns Sevens v Papua New Guinea
2.06pm: All Blacks Sevens v Australia
3.12pm: Black Ferns Sevens v Fiji
7.35pm: All Blacks Sevens v Great Britain
8.03pm: Black Ferns Sevens v Great Britain
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5 BF7s squad changes from Cape Town
BFs back in (Fluhler, Hirini, Fitzpatrick, Woodman-Wickliffe) along with Saili
Out: Brazier (injured), Te Tamiki, Teneti, Ikenasio, Nuku
Pretty much a massive strengthening even though the last squad won the last round.
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I took my niece along to the open skills/signing session this morning. Plenty of kids having a good time.
Brazier looked to have a calf injury.
@Bovidae said in 2023 World Sevens Series:
I took my niece along to the open skills/signing session this morning. Plenty of kids having a good time.
That's great. Gotta keep riding that momentum from the RWC. Hope it carries through to Aupiki.
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5 BF7s squad changes from Cape Town
BFs back in (Fluhler, Hirini, Fitzpatrick, Woodman-Wickliffe) along with Saili
Out: Brazier (injured), Te Tamiki, Teneti, Ikenasio, Nuku
Pretty much a massive strengthening even though the last squad won the last round.
