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  • kiwiinmelbK kiwiinmelb

    Rumor has it , Hawthorn players have been playing for less than their true value for some time to keep the side under the cap , and now they are throwing big money to bring in some gun kids , the older guys who could've got bigger money elsewhere, feel a bit put out and are not too impressed ..

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    @kiwiinmelb said in AFL 2016:

    Rumor has it , Hawthorn players have been playing for less than their true value for some time to keep the side under the cap , and now they are throwing big money to bring in some gun kids , the older guys who could've got bigger money elsewhere, feel a bit put out and are not too impressed ..

    read a report that Jordan Lewis was told he was up for trade, so spoke to Melbourne, it was all good to go, and then Hawthorn backed out, so he's stuck at a club that wanted to move him on (despite him probably being paid unders for years). This could be a bad off-season for the Hawks.

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      Yeah just heard Robbo on radio speaking about it , he said the dream run they had appears to be unravelling

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      • kiwiinmelbK kiwiinmelb

        Rumor has it , Hawthorn players have been playing for less than their true value for some time to keep the side under the cap , and now they are throwing big money to bring in some gun kids , the older guys who could've got bigger money elsewhere, feel a bit put out and are not too impressed ..

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        @kiwiinmelb said in AFL 2016:

        Rumor has it , Hawthorn players have been playing for less than their true value for some time to keep the side under the cap , and now they are throwing big money to bring in some gun kids , the older guys who could've got bigger money elsewhere, feel a bit put out and are not too impressed ..

        That's a great way to ensure morale is sky-high. Encourage guys to take less in order to become premier winning players and then use that headroom not to reward them, but to entice others. Brilliant culture emerging there.

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          Jordan Lewis to Melbourne now a done deal.

          AFL was once a game that prided itself on its loyalty, with players very rarely moving clubs. Now club champions are moved on before they are finished. Guys like Harvey, Lewis, Mitchell, and even Stevie J and Paul Chapman would formerly play out their careers as one-club men. Now they spend the twilight of their playing days in unfamiliar jerseys.

          Formerly good player, now standard Brisbane error maker Pearce Hanley to the Suns in a deal based around swapped draft picks with Port (it's very complicated).

          Tom Liberatore gently chided by his club after getting snapped on the piss and playing AFL for the Vietnam Swans. Also sporting the worst haircut in professional sport

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            Good to see the AFL has asked for a please explain from the clubs on the Ty Vickery deal.

            So a touted 3 year $400K per deal suddenly turns into a 2 year $500K per with a guaranteed extension for a 3rd year for $200K.

            The 2 year deal had a better compensation pick than the 3 year one.

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              Good to see the AFL has asked for a please explain from the clubs on the Ty Vickery deal.

              So a touted 3 year $400K per deal suddenly turns into a 2 year $500K per with a guaranteed extension for a 3rd year for $200K.

              The 2 year deal had a better compensation pick than the 3 year one.

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              @ACT-Crusader I'm surprised the Hawthorn membership didn't ask for a "please explain" first

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              • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

                Jordan Lewis to Melbourne now a done deal.

                AFL was once a game that prided itself on its loyalty, with players very rarely moving clubs. Now club champions are moved on before they are finished. Guys like Harvey, Lewis, Mitchell, and even Stevie J and Paul Chapman would formerly play out their careers as one-club men. Now they spend the twilight of their playing days in unfamiliar jerseys.

                Formerly good player, now standard Brisbane error maker Pearce Hanley to the Suns in a deal based around swapped draft picks with Port (it's very complicated).

                Tom Liberatore gently chided by his club after getting snapped on the piss and playing AFL for the Vietnam Swans. Also sporting the worst haircut in professional sport

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                @mariner4life said in AFL 2016:

                Jordan Lewis to Melbourne now a done deal.

                AFL was once a game that prided itself on its loyalty, with players very rarely moving clubs. Now club champions are moved on before they are finished. Guys like Harvey, Lewis, Mitchell, and even Stevie J and Paul Chapman would formerly play out their careers as one-club men. Now they spend the twilight of their playing days in unfamiliar jerseys.

                Formerly good player, now standard Brisbane error maker Pearce Hanley to the Suns in a deal based around swapped draft picks with Port (it's very complicated).

                Tom Liberatore gently chided by his club after getting snapped on the piss and playing AFL for the Vietnam Swans. Also sporting the worst haircut in professional sport

                Greg Williams, Tony Lockett, Dermie all changed clubs.

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                  And Jimmy Bartel retires. Pretty handy set of awards, 3 Premierships, 2 All Australians, 1 Brownlow and 1 Norm Smith.

                  Sounds like he might have been given the word, and has chose calling time rather than go on elsewhere.

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                    I think clubs dont always enjoy doing it , but they try and trade off some older champions while they still have some value , usually to add a bit more youth as a balancing act to their list,

                    The older guys can sometimes add much needed experience at another club , so it can be a trade that is beneficial to both.

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                      The confirmation of Deledio wanting to go to GWS is pretty interesting. Cats couldn't afford him without getting Motlop off the books.

                      The fact GWS are apparently willing to give up a high first round for it is even more remarkable. Deledio is a good player but has had achillies issues and other soft tissue problems which isn't a good sign for a player his age.

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                        The confirmation of Deledio wanting to go to GWS is pretty interesting. Cats couldn't afford him without getting Motlop off the books.

                        The fact GWS are apparently willing to give up a high first round for it is even more remarkable. Deledio is a good player but has had achillies issues and other soft tissue problems which isn't a good sign for a player his age.

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                        Deledio has pretty much been transformed from a midfielder to a classy half forward because of those issues,

                        Richmond will give that pick to Geelong for Caddy , ( apparently )

                        who they both wanted to swap in the first place but couldnt quite get it done

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                          Deledio to GWS confirmed
                          O'Meara to the Hawks confirmed
                          Tuohy to Geelong confirmed.

                          Despite Gibbs and the Crows eye-fucking each other all trade period, Gibbs reluctantly returns home with Carlton

                          Geelong lose a couple in Vardy and Caddy.

                          And the Dogs take a massive punt on Travis Cloke. But it cost them fuck all.

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                            <p>Kicks off Thursday night with the annual Tigers v Carlton clash. Interesting first weekend building up to Geelong v Hawthorn on Monday, that should be massive.</p>
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                            <p>You would imagine the 2 Perth teams and the Hawks will all feature at the pointy end. From the rest, will Geelong's free agency pick ups put them straight back to the top? Can the Tigers actually progress? Can North's old list do enough for them to be relevant?</p>
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                            <p>Who will be the first team to lose to Essendon? Who will be the least-worst out of the Saints, Lions, Gold Coast and Carlton. Can the GWS make the 8?</p>
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                            <p>My crack at the 8</p>
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                            <p>West Coast</p>
                            <p>Freo</p>
                            <p>Geelong</p>
                            <p>Hawthorn</p>
                            <p>Tigers</p>
                            <p>Port Adelaide</p>
                            <p>Collingwood</p>
                            <p>Western Bulldogs</p>

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                            @mariner4life said in AFL 2016:

                            Kicks off Thursday night with the annual Tigers v Carlton clash. Interesting first weekend building up to Geelong v Hawthorn on Monday, that should be massive.
                             
                            You would imagine the 2 Perth teams and the Hawks will all feature at the pointy end. From the rest, will Geelong's free agency pick ups put them straight back to the top? Can the Tigers actually progress? Can North's old list do enough for them to be relevant?
                             
                            Who will be the first team to lose to Essendon? Who will be the least-worst out of the Saints, Lions, Gold Coast and Carlton. Can the GWS make the 8?
                             
                            My crack at the 8
                             
                            West Coast
                            Freo
                            Geelong
                            Hawthorn
                            Tigers
                            Port Adelaide
                            Collingwood
                            Western Bulldogs

                            Wow. That 8 is quite different to how it panned out huh?
                            GWS Flag faves after trade period, Doggies should go alright again.
                            Swans, West Coast, Adelaide, Geelong will all be thereabouts with the 'home' advantages they enjoy.

                            Hawks are interesting - they'll have a freshened up game plan, should scrounge into the 8.

                            North - they might fall to bottom 4 - seriously cooked.

                            Who's in then - Melbourne look to have sharpened up through the trade, St Kilda went close.

                            Richmond still have issues even with their good ins.

                            Port, the Blues, Collingwood, GC, Bombers all look to be making up numbers.
                            Lions stink.

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                              @mariner4life said in AFL 2016:

                              Kicks off Thursday night with the annual Tigers v Carlton clash. Interesting first weekend building up to Geelong v Hawthorn on Monday, that should be massive.
                               
                              You would imagine the 2 Perth teams and the Hawks will all feature at the pointy end. From the rest, will Geelong's free agency pick ups put them straight back to the top? Can the Tigers actually progress? Can North's old list do enough for them to be relevant?
                               
                              Who will be the first team to lose to Essendon? Who will be the least-worst out of the Saints, Lions, Gold Coast and Carlton. Can the GWS make the 8?
                               
                              My crack at the 8
                               
                              West Coast
                              Freo
                              Geelong
                              Hawthorn
                              Tigers
                              Port Adelaide
                              Collingwood
                              Western Bulldogs

                              Wow. That 8 is quite different to how it panned out huh?
                              GWS Flag faves after trade period, Doggies should go alright again.
                              Swans, West Coast, Adelaide, Geelong will all be thereabouts with the 'home' advantages they enjoy.

                              Hawks are interesting - they'll have a freshened up game plan, should scrounge into the 8.

                              North - they might fall to bottom 4 - seriously cooked.

                              Who's in then - Melbourne look to have sharpened up through the trade, St Kilda went close.

                              Richmond still have issues even with their good ins.

                              Port, the Blues, Collingwood, GC, Bombers all look to be making up numbers.
                              Lions stink.

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                              @westcoastie yea this platform loves reminding me how little i know

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                                @westcoastie yea this platform loves reminding me how little i know

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                                @mariner4life funnily enough, your top 8 wasn't unrealistic. Tigers were supposed to be on the up, got found out. No Fyfe, no Freo - they went kaboom!
                                Port were awesome in 2014, but everyone caught up with their fitness and they were found out to be all Kamikaze or nothing.
                                Collingwood was your most dubious call...I would suggest.

                                I'll go early on 2017
                                GWS
                                Western Bulldogs
                                West Coast
                                Geelong - if Dangerfield doesn't do a season-ending injury
                                Sydney
                                Adelaide
                                Melbourne
                                Hawks - although this is based on how well the Hawks adapt to a new game style, as they've clearly brought in some contested ball players O'Meara, T.Mitchell.

                                Teams to watch - St Kilda, Gold Coast (if Ablett can go half-decent) Freo (dunno where their goals are going to come from though)

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                                  The funny thing with predicting , and i listen to the so called media experts here in melbourne,

                                  so much of it is reactionary ,

                                  I look back to when Brisbane had their golden era, if you wind the clock back a year or two before that , no one saw that coming ,

                                  Similar thing to Geelong , if you go back a year or two before that , all the experts were predicting ST Kilda to be the dominant side with all their top draft picks they had picked up , Geelong meanwhile were developing a similar age list but werent appearing to get the same cream at the draft so were going through a bit more unnoticed .

                                  Now everyone is saying GWS with all their young talent , and its hard to deny that at this stage , will be interesting

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                                    Watson gives back his Brownlow. He didn't really have a choice though did he?

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                                      Watson gives back his Brownlow. He didn't really have a choice though did he?

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                                      Watson gives back his Brownlow. He didn't really have a choice though did he?

                                      I reckon he had a tap on the shoulder ,

                                      Be interesting if it gets offered to Mitchell and Cotchin who tied second and whether they would accept it anyway , not quite the same getting one like that .

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                                        And James Hird quick to respond by saying he shouldn't have to give it back and he won it fairly

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                                          The most interesting part of the whole peptide saga for me is the comparison between Cronulla and Essendon who were heading down a similar path.

                                          Cronulla pleaded guilty accepted their small slap on the wrist punishment, and look where they are now .

                                          Essendon were offered a similar out clause , and they refused , taking some moral high ground to clear their names , look where they ended up.

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