What is Good for Women's Rugby
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@booboo said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
@Crucial said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
Has anyone seen any reaction from NZR over this win? Lots of SM posts doing the rounds and apart from bog standard corporate style congrats `i haven't seen a thing.
The comms last night pointedly called out Mark Robinson to get behind things as quite a dig.Good old NZR at risk of missing the boat again.
What are you expecting?
Announce a fully planned, fully funded full time professional comp?
Pretty much all they can do at the moment is "yay".
Yep, I not sure what the expectations are. Robinson has already talked of trying to get a women Lions (Lionesses?) tour arganised. But unless you want a whole lot of half baked ideas thrown in media, just let it play itself out and see what can be organised. Funnily enough almost all thei support has suddenly appeared over the last couple of months, and I will almost bet if we had lost to France last week there would of been hardly any chat about how to take the women's game to new level etc. As fans we pretty fickle and even after xmas I will bet a lot of the hype will drift off a bit,and although there will be more interest a lot will drift back to the lated thing they have 'always' been fans of.
@Dan54 said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
@booboo said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
@Crucial said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
Has anyone seen any reaction from NZR over this win? Lots of SM posts doing the rounds and apart from bog standard corporate style congrats `i haven't seen a thing.
The comms last night pointedly called out Mark Robinson to get behind things as quite a dig.Good old NZR at risk of missing the boat again.
What are you expecting?
Announce a fully planned, fully funded full time professional comp?
Pretty much all they can do at the moment is "yay".
Yep, I not sure what the expectations are. Robinson has already talked of trying to get a women Lions (Lionesses?) tour arganised. But unless you want a whole lot of half baked ideas thrown in media, just let it play itself out and see what can be organised. Funnily enough almost all thei support has suddenly appeared over the last couple of months, and I will almost bet if we had lost to France last week there would of been hardly any chat about how to take the women's game to new level etc. As fans we pretty fickle and even after xmas I will bet a lot of the hype will drift off a bit,and although there will be more interest a lot will drift back to the lated thing they have 'always' been fans of.
I was maybe just thinking something like a congrats from CEO or Board might be in order. Have heard nothing.
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@taniwharugby said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
@Dan54 said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
half baked ideas
seems right up Robinsons alley!
Well I was thinking about Hamish McLennan in OZ with his Anzac idea etc, with seeminly a 30 second mention at end of a meeting. lol
And realy we should know the CEO doesn't set the agenda, just runs with it, that's why we got boards to run rugby. -
The commitment needs to be to the generation inspired by this that funding and pathways will be improved.
@Crucial said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
The commitment needs to be to the generation inspired by this that funding and pathways will be improved.
Yep exactly, it's the kids that take up the game from here are the ones we need to be investing in, and to be fair NZR have always been good at putting recourses into the young ones in my experience.
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@Dan54 said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
@booboo said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
@Crucial said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
Has anyone seen any reaction from NZR over this win? Lots of SM posts doing the rounds and apart from bog standard corporate style congrats `i haven't seen a thing.
The comms last night pointedly called out Mark Robinson to get behind things as quite a dig.Good old NZR at risk of missing the boat again.
What are you expecting?
Announce a fully planned, fully funded full time professional comp?
Pretty much all they can do at the moment is "yay".
Yep, I not sure what the expectations are. Robinson has already talked of trying to get a women Lions (Lionesses?) tour arganised. But unless you want a whole lot of half baked ideas thrown in media, just let it play itself out and see what can be organised. Funnily enough almost all thei support has suddenly appeared over the last couple of months, and I will almost bet if we had lost to France last week there would of been hardly any chat about how to take the women's game to new level etc. As fans we pretty fickle and even after xmas I will bet a lot of the hype will drift off a bit,and although there will be more interest a lot will drift back to the lated thing they have 'always' been fans of.
I was maybe just thinking something like a congrats from CEO or Board might be in order. Have heard nothing.
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Mark reads the Fern, too!
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Mark reads the Fern, too!
@Stargazer said in Interesting Article - Why It's Bad for the BF To Lose:
Mark reads the Fern, too!
Off course he does, as do all the coaches of ABs, super and NPC teams, how else are they going to learn?? lol
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Mark reads the Fern, too!
@Stargazer said in Interesting Article - Why It's Bad for the BF To Lose:
Mark reads the Fern, too!
Looks like Tweet has gone
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@Stargazer said in Interesting Article - Why It's Bad for the BF To Lose:
Mark reads the Fern, too!
Looks like Tweet has gone
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Robinson did front up on morning tv this morning (looked like he had just fallen out of bed) but said little.
“We have increased our investment in the women’s game” doesn’t say a lot.
At present NZR funding to unions isn’t earmarked. It is up to the unions how they spend and while some does end up funding the women’s game, there is no direction from NZR or extra to support a growing number of young female players. Coaching especially is an area of concern. Many of the Championship FPC teams get club coaching level only. -
Robinson did front up on morning tv this morning (looked like he had just fallen out of bed) but said little.
“We have increased our investment in the women’s game” doesn’t say a lot.
At present NZR funding to unions isn’t earmarked. It is up to the unions how they spend and while some does end up funding the women’s game, there is no direction from NZR or extra to support a growing number of young female players. Coaching especially is an area of concern. Many of the Championship FPC teams get club coaching level only. -
Another name change for the thread.
How can Rugby, particularly NZ Rugby, make the most of the event and occasion that was RWC2021?
Need to grab the young'uns while the 3 second attention span hasn't wandered.
Some thoughts:
- Get England back here in 2023 (or at least France)
Play a 3 test series, and maybe some mid weeks. Black Fern Maori?
Play tests in times outside of AB and other rep games and make them accessible to a family audience.
Sunday arvos is a good time - free of men's rep Rugby, and family friendly. (Noting that back in my day women played club footy on Sundays.)
Play at venues where they didn't play in the RWC: Welly, Dunners and anywhere that's not as embarrassing as Chch.
Do same for any Pac4 games in NZ.
Maybe one or two as curtain raisers good for crowds and awareness? But think they could make these into decent events and money spinners.
That's the short term look out.
- Create more age grade opportunities.
Ensure there are girls club and school comps available.
Work with clubs and schools to combine any interested girls (coz I'm convinced that the number of girls wanting to play may still be below the threshold) into combined club teams. Don't let them slip through because of club parochiality (if that's a word).
- Get merch into the shops.
May be an immediate issue due to supply chain.
- Educate the masses ...
Any other thoughts?
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Another name change for the thread.
How can Rugby, particularly NZ Rugby, make the most of the event and occasion that was RWC2021?
Need to grab the young'uns while the 3 second attention span hasn't wandered.
Some thoughts:
- Get England back here in 2023 (or at least France)
Play a 3 test series, and maybe some mid weeks. Black Fern Maori?
Play tests in times outside of AB and other rep games and make them accessible to a family audience.
Sunday arvos is a good time - free of men's rep Rugby, and family friendly. (Noting that back in my day women played club footy on Sundays.)
Play at venues where they didn't play in the RWC: Welly, Dunners and anywhere that's not as embarrassing as Chch.
Do same for any Pac4 games in NZ.
Maybe one or two as curtain raisers good for crowds and awareness? But think they could make these into decent events and money spinners.
That's the short term look out.
- Create more age grade opportunities.
Ensure there are girls club and school comps available.
Work with clubs and schools to combine any interested girls (coz I'm convinced that the number of girls wanting to play may still be below the threshold) into combined club teams. Don't let them slip through because of club parochiality (if that's a word).
- Get merch into the shops.
May be an immediate issue due to supply chain.
- Educate the masses ...
Any other thoughts?
@booboo said in What is Good for Women's Rugby:
Another name change for the thread.
How can Rugby, particularly NZ Rugby, make the most of the event and occasion that was RWC2021?
Need to grab the young'uns while the 3 second attention span hasn't wandered.
Some thoughts:
- Get England back here in 2023 (or at least France)
Play a 3 test series, and maybe some mid weeks. Black Fern Maori?
Play tests in times outside of AB and other rep games and make them accessible to a family audience.
Sunday arvos is a good time - free of men's rep Rugby, and family friendly. (Noting that back in my day women played club footy on Sundays.)
Play at venues where they didn't play in the RWC: Welly, Dunners and anywhere that's not as embarrassing as Chch.
Do same for any Pac4 games in NZ.
Maybe one or two as curtain raisers good for crowds and awareness? But think they could make these into decent events and money spinners.
That's the short term look out.
- Create more age grade opportunities.
Ensure there are girls club and school comps available.
Work with clubs and schools to combine any interested girls (coz I'm convinced that the number of girls wanting to play may still be below the threshold) into combined club teams. Don't let them slip through because of club parochiality (if that's a word).
- Get merch into the shops.
May be an immediate issue due to supply chain.
- Educate the masses ...
Any other thoughts?
That pretty much covers it. Close the thread
.Regular games is a must. The cheap ticket model worked a treat. Foster a strong test comp in the Pacific which means trying to encourage a stronger Aussie. Getting a couple of aussie based super teams into our comp might help them in that regard
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@booboo said in What is Good for Women's Rugby:
Another name change for the thread.
How can Rugby, particularly NZ Rugby, make the most of the event and occasion that was RWC2021?
Need to grab the young'uns while the 3 second attention span hasn't wandered.
Some thoughts:
- Get England back here in 2023 (or at least France)
Play a 3 test series, and maybe some mid weeks. Black Fern Maori?
Play tests in times outside of AB and other rep games and make them accessible to a family audience.
Sunday arvos is a good time - free of men's rep Rugby, and family friendly. (Noting that back in my day women played club footy on Sundays.)
Play at venues where they didn't play in the RWC: Welly, Dunners and anywhere that's not as embarrassing as Chch.
Do same for any Pac4 games in NZ.
Maybe one or two as curtain raisers good for crowds and awareness? But think they could make these into decent events and money spinners.
That's the short term look out.
- Create more age grade opportunities.
Ensure there are girls club and school comps available.
Work with clubs and schools to combine any interested girls (coz I'm convinced that the number of girls wanting to play may still be below the threshold) into combined club teams. Don't let them slip through because of club parochiality (if that's a word).
- Get merch into the shops.
May be an immediate issue due to supply chain.
- Educate the masses ...
Any other thoughts?
That pretty much covers it. Close the thread
.Regular games is a must. The cheap ticket model worked a treat. Foster a strong test comp in the Pacific which means trying to encourage a stronger Aussie. Getting a couple of aussie based super teams into our comp might help them in that regard
@canefan said in What is Good for Women's Rugby:
@booboo said in What is Good for Women's Rugby:
Another name change for the thread.
How can Rugby, particularly NZ Rugby, make the most of the event and occasion that was RWC2021?
Need to grab the young'uns while the 3 second attention span hasn't wandered.
Some thoughts:
- Get England back here in 2023 (or at least France)
Play a 3 test series, and maybe some mid weeks. Black Fern Maori?
Play tests in times outside of AB and other rep games and make them accessible to a family audience.
Sunday arvos is a good time - free of men's rep Rugby, and family friendly. (Noting that back in my day women played club footy on Sundays.)
Play at venues where they didn't play in the RWC: Welly, Dunners and anywhere that's not as embarrassing as Chch.
Do same for any Pac4 games in NZ.
Maybe one or two as curtain raisers good for crowds and awareness? But think they could make these into decent events and money spinners.
That's the short term look out.
- Create more age grade opportunities.
Ensure there are girls club and school comps available.
Work with clubs and schools to combine any interested girls (coz I'm convinced that the number of girls wanting to play may still be below the threshold) into combined club teams. Don't let them slip through because of club parochiality (if that's a word).
- Get merch into the shops.
May be an immediate issue due to supply chain.
- Educate the masses ...
Any other thoughts?
That pretty much covers it. Close the thread
.Regular games is a must. The cheap ticket model worked a treat. Foster a strong test comp in the Pacific which means trying to encourage a stronger Aussie. Getting a couple of aussie based super teams into our comp might help them in that regard
Trans Ta$man super comp?
Sounds good.
My problem there remains how to fund it? I really don't see the audiences/TV rights funding that.
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@canefan said in What is Good for Women's Rugby:
@booboo said in What is Good for Women's Rugby:
Another name change for the thread.
How can Rugby, particularly NZ Rugby, make the most of the event and occasion that was RWC2021?
Need to grab the young'uns while the 3 second attention span hasn't wandered.
Some thoughts:
- Get England back here in 2023 (or at least France)
Play a 3 test series, and maybe some mid weeks. Black Fern Maori?
Play tests in times outside of AB and other rep games and make them accessible to a family audience.
Sunday arvos is a good time - free of men's rep Rugby, and family friendly. (Noting that back in my day women played club footy on Sundays.)
Play at venues where they didn't play in the RWC: Welly, Dunners and anywhere that's not as embarrassing as Chch.
Do same for any Pac4 games in NZ.
Maybe one or two as curtain raisers good for crowds and awareness? But think they could make these into decent events and money spinners.
That's the short term look out.
- Create more age grade opportunities.
Ensure there are girls club and school comps available.
Work with clubs and schools to combine any interested girls (coz I'm convinced that the number of girls wanting to play may still be below the threshold) into combined club teams. Don't let them slip through because of club parochiality (if that's a word).
- Get merch into the shops.
May be an immediate issue due to supply chain.
- Educate the masses ...
Any other thoughts?
That pretty much covers it. Close the thread
.Regular games is a must. The cheap ticket model worked a treat. Foster a strong test comp in the Pacific which means trying to encourage a stronger Aussie. Getting a couple of aussie based super teams into our comp might help them in that regard
Trans Ta$man super comp?
Sounds good.
My problem there remains how to fund it? I really don't see the audiences/TV rights funding that.
@booboo said in What is Good for Women's Rugby:
@canefan said in What is Good for Women's Rugby:
@booboo said in What is Good for Women's Rugby:
Another name change for the thread.
How can Rugby, particularly NZ Rugby, make the most of the event and occasion that was RWC2021?
Need to grab the young'uns while the 3 second attention span hasn't wandered.
Some thoughts:
- Get England back here in 2023 (or at least France)
Play a 3 test series, and maybe some mid weeks. Black Fern Maori?
Play tests in times outside of AB and other rep games and make them accessible to a family audience.
Sunday arvos is a good time - free of men's rep Rugby, and family friendly. (Noting that back in my day women played club footy on Sundays.)
Play at venues where they didn't play in the RWC: Welly, Dunners and anywhere that's not as embarrassing as Chch.
Do same for any Pac4 games in NZ.
Maybe one or two as curtain raisers good for crowds and awareness? But think they could make these into decent events and money spinners.
That's the short term look out.
- Create more age grade opportunities.
Ensure there are girls club and school comps available.
Work with clubs and schools to combine any interested girls (coz I'm convinced that the number of girls wanting to play may still be below the threshold) into combined club teams. Don't let them slip through because of club parochiality (if that's a word).
- Get merch into the shops.
May be an immediate issue due to supply chain.
- Educate the masses ...
Any other thoughts?
That pretty much covers it. Close the thread
.Regular games is a must. The cheap ticket model worked a treat. Foster a strong test comp in the Pacific which means trying to encourage a stronger Aussie. Getting a couple of aussie based super teams into our comp might help them in that regard
Trans Ta$man super comp?
Sounds good.
My problem there remains how to fund it? I really don't see the audiences/TV rights funding that.
The aussie Union is skint so I don't see how they can fund it. Maybe they could ask Reinhardt for sponsorship? They have a spare 15M. It can't be a commercial decision, it has to be for the good of the game. But if CA can have a womens big bash, why not?
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@canefan Not suggesting it needs to be a profit naking exercise, just not a drain on coffers that should be spent on the bottom of the pyramid.
@booboo said in What is Good for Women's Rugby:
@canefan Not suggesting it needs to be a profit naking exercise, just not a drain on coffers that should be spent on the bottom of the pyramid.
I agree. It could make a little money if they set it up right. Cater to families like the WRWC
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Another name change for the thread.
How can Rugby, particularly NZ Rugby, make the most of the event and occasion that was RWC2021?
Need to grab the young'uns while the 3 second attention span hasn't wandered.
Some thoughts:
- Get England back here in 2023 (or at least France)
Play a 3 test series, and maybe some mid weeks. Black Fern Maori?
Play tests in times outside of AB and other rep games and make them accessible to a family audience.
Sunday arvos is a good time - free of men's rep Rugby, and family friendly. (Noting that back in my day women played club footy on Sundays.)
Play at venues where they didn't play in the RWC: Welly, Dunners and anywhere that's not as embarrassing as Chch.
Do same for any Pac4 games in NZ.
Maybe one or two as curtain raisers good for crowds and awareness? But think they could make these into decent events and money spinners.
That's the short term look out.
- Create more age grade opportunities.
Ensure there are girls club and school comps available.
Work with clubs and schools to combine any interested girls (coz I'm convinced that the number of girls wanting to play may still be below the threshold) into combined club teams. Don't let them slip through because of club parochiality (if that's a word).
- Get merch into the shops.
May be an immediate issue due to supply chain.
- Educate the masses ...
Any other thoughts?
@booboo Good post and thread title change.
I had a brief convo with a woman who had coached and managed junior rugby teams in Hawke's Bay. She said the biggest problem is the gap between junior rugby and 1st XV girls rugby. As soon as they're too old for junior rugby and can't play with the boys anymore, there are no teams (club or school) for them to join, so no games. That's how girls move on to other sports and often don't return to rugby when they're old enough for 1st XV rugby. There are U15 teams, but I think there are only three(?), so again, very few teams and only enough players for playing 10s instead of XVs.
As a result of girls moving on and not returning to rugby, there are very few 1st XV girls teams in Hawke's Bay (4?), so a very brief competition that makes it hard to compete with schools from other regions. The success of the Tui in the FPC, this year, and that of the Black Ferns now, could result in more girls wanting to play, but then they need to bridge that gap and make sure that there are teams (school or club) they can play for in all age categories, similar to boys.
Regional comps similar to Super 8/CNI would be an idea to consider, too. The gap between the few top girls schools and the rest is quite big. That needs to close and they can only do that by playing, and starting to play younger.
Edited to add that Emma Jensen has a very good effect on girls rugby in Hawke's Bay. She's the vice-principal at Hastings Girls and also the Head of Rugby. Hastings Girls is the first and only school in Hawke's Bay with a real rugby programme, which is already delivering players to club rugby and the Tui. Emma Jensen is on the Hawke's Bay Rugby Board, so hopefully can achieve something that way, too.
