France vs Springboks
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@pakman said in France vs Springboks:
I just don’t think the outcome of nutting Danty in face was his intention.
Definitely a card.Looked intentional to me, and there's no need for it. No need to get his Danties in a twist.
@nostrildamus said in France vs Springboks:
@pakman said in France vs Springboks:
I just don’t think the outcome of nutting Danty in face was his intention.
Definitely a card.Looked intentional to me, and there's no need for it. No need to get his Danties in a twist.
Not to me. Having now rewatched a few times it seems to me the big issue was De Allende and PSDT steaming in in parallel. Danty lurches left to avoid DA which puts his head in line with PDST's head.
I hope World Rugby thinks about amending the Laws in respect of such parallel/double cleans, because they are an accident waiting to happen (again).
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@nostrildamus said in France vs Springboks:
@pakman said in France vs Springboks:
I just don’t think the outcome of nutting Danty in face was his intention.
Definitely a card.Looked intentional to me, and there's no need for it. No need to get his Danties in a twist.
Not to me. Having now rewatched a few times it seems to me the big issue was De Allende and PSDT steaming in in parallel. Danty lurches left to avoid DA which puts his head in line with PDST's head.
I hope World Rugby thinks about amending the Laws in respect of such parallel/double cleans, because they are an accident waiting to happen (again).
@pakman said in France vs Springboks:
I hope World Rugby thinks about amending the Laws in respect of such parallel/double cleans, because they are an accident waiting to happen (again).
ok I saw another angle, not so clear. But someone had to be sent off.
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@MiketheSnow said in France vs Springboks:
@Catogrande said in France vs Springboks:
@pakman said in France vs Springboks:
Looking at PSDT red a big contributor was Kwagga giving him and De Allende a shove. I suspect PDST (and DA) were pushed off balance and fell forward.
Barnes has previous given yellows for same (to the pusher in lieu of the pushee).
Not so sure. Looking at the replay, for me the push, such as it was, had little impact. PSDT was already on his way at a rate of knots.
Red all the way.
And he gave himself an extra propulsion just before impact
If you lose your balance and try regain it it is common to lurch forward almost involuntarily.
I just don’t think the outcome of nutting Danty in face was his intention.
Definitely a card.
@pakman said in France vs Springboks:
@MiketheSnow said in France vs Springboks:
@Catogrande said in France vs Springboks:
@pakman said in France vs Springboks:
Looking at PSDT red a big contributor was Kwagga giving him and De Allende a shove. I suspect PDST (and DA) were pushed off balance and fell forward.
Barnes has previous given yellows for same (to the pusher in lieu of the pushee).
Not so sure. Looking at the replay, for me the push, such as it was, had little impact. PSDT was already on his way at a rate of knots.
Red all the way.
And he gave himself an extra propulsion just before impact
If you lose your balance and try regain it it is common to lurch forward almost involuntarily.
I just don’t think the outcome of nutting Danty in face was his intention.
Definitely a card.
Well, only he knows that for sure :beaming_face_with_smiling_eyes:
However I'd be surprised if it was intentational rather than just reckless as he doesn't seem to be that type of guy from what I've seen
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@pakman said in France vs Springboks:
@MiketheSnow said in France vs Springboks:
@Catogrande said in France vs Springboks:
@pakman said in France vs Springboks:
Looking at PSDT red a big contributor was Kwagga giving him and De Allende a shove. I suspect PDST (and DA) were pushed off balance and fell forward.
Barnes has previous given yellows for same (to the pusher in lieu of the pushee).
Not so sure. Looking at the replay, for me the push, such as it was, had little impact. PSDT was already on his way at a rate of knots.
Red all the way.
And he gave himself an extra propulsion just before impact
If you lose your balance and try regain it it is common to lurch forward almost involuntarily.
I just don’t think the outcome of nutting Danty in face was his intention.
Definitely a card.
Well, only he knows that for sure :beaming_face_with_smiling_eyes:
However I'd be surprised if it was intentational rather than just reckless as he doesn't seem to be that type of guy from what I've seen
@Catogrande said in France vs Springboks:
However I'd be surprised if it was intentational rather than just reckless as he doesn't seem to be that type of guy from what I've seen
He did seem to have a surprised expression on his face in a second video angle.
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@Catogrande said in France vs Springboks:
However I'd be surprised if it was intentational rather than just reckless as he doesn't seem to be that type of guy from what I've seen
He did seem to have a surprised expression on his face in a second video angle.
@nostrildamus said in France vs Springboks:
@Catogrande said in France vs Springboks:
However I'd be surprised if it was intentational rather than just reckless as he doesn't seem to be that type of guy from what I've seen
He did seem to have a surprised expression on his face in a second video angle.
Not as surprised as the Frenchman!
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@nostrildamus said in France vs Springboks:
@Catogrande said in France vs Springboks:
However I'd be surprised if it was intentational rather than just reckless as he doesn't seem to be that type of guy from what I've seen
He did seem to have a surprised expression on his face in a second video angle.
Not as surprised as the Frenchman!
@Catogrande said in France vs Springboks:
@nostrildamus said in France vs Springboks:
@Catogrande said in France vs Springboks:
However I'd be surprised if it was intentational rather than just reckless as he doesn't seem to be that type of guy from what I've seen
He did seem to have a surprised expression on his face in a second video angle.
Not as surprised as the Frenchman!
Out of the frying pan into the flier. Edit: flyer?
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@pakman said in France vs Springboks:
@MiketheSnow said in France vs Springboks:
@Catogrande said in France vs Springboks:
@pakman said in France vs Springboks:
Looking at PSDT red a big contributor was Kwagga giving him and De Allende a shove. I suspect PDST (and DA) were pushed off balance and fell forward.
Barnes has previous given yellows for same (to the pusher in lieu of the pushee).
Not so sure. Looking at the replay, for me the push, such as it was, had little impact. PSDT was already on his way at a rate of knots.
Red all the way.
And he gave himself an extra propulsion just before impact
If you lose your balance and try regain it it is common to lurch forward almost involuntarily.
I just don’t think the outcome of nutting Danty in face was his intention.
Definitely a card.
Well, only he knows that for sure :beaming_face_with_smiling_eyes:
However I'd be surprised if it was intentational rather than just reckless as he doesn't seem to be that type of guy from what I've seen
@Catogrande I don't think any ofnthese red cards we see are intentional, some are worse than others in terms of stupidity/dangerous/accidental, but not intentional.
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@Catogrande I don't think any ofnthese red cards we see are intentional, some are worse than others in terms of stupidity/dangerous/accidental, but not intentional.
I agree that intentionality is rare. In the case of a clear out like PSDT, I can see the intention to stick a shoulder into the ribs, say, rather than a nut to the face, but if you ride that line you’re putting guys in danger and yourself in the frame.
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Waynes Barnes missed what we saw in a bar in Edinburgh:
He plainly needs to take a look at his prematch fluids routine.
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Waynes Barnes missed what we saw in a bar in Edinburgh:
He plainly needs to take a look at his prematch fluids routine.
@pakman said in France vs Springboks:
Waynes Barnes missed what we saw in a bar in Edinburgh:
He plainly needs to take a look at his prematch fluids routine.
The All Blacks were penalised for exactly the same thing on the weekend: A clear non bind situation ignored because the refs only look at the defenders when it comes to mauls.
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@OomPB said in France vs Springboks:
@NTA how do you get this?
Willemse is a fullback pretending to be a flyhalf most of the time. However, he also possess a distribution game where the entire Bok plan is still running on kick-and-bash. Maybe over time he and the wingers can make something of it, but he's a square peg in a round hole at the moment.
Le Roux is a total flake. The strategy of him joining as first receiver is to cover Willemse's deficiencies, but his defence is suspect and his temperament has always been crap. Much better at provincial level where he was carving up second-rate D lines.
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@pakman said in France vs Springboks:
Waynes Barnes missed what we saw in a bar in Edinburgh:
He plainly needs to take a look at his prematch fluids routine.
The All Blacks were penalised for exactly the same thing on the weekend: A clear non bind situation ignored because the refs only look at the defenders when it comes to mauls.
@antipodean said in France vs Springboks:
@pakman said in France vs Springboks:
Waynes Barnes missed what we saw in a bar in Edinburgh:
He plainly needs to take a look at his prematch fluids routine.
The All Blacks were penalised for exactly the same thing on the weekend: A clear non bind situation ignored because the refs only look at the defenders when it comes to mauls.
Exactly! Remember that.
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Waynes Barnes missed what we saw in a bar in Edinburgh:
He plainly needs to take a look at his prematch fluids routine.
@pakman said in France vs Springboks:
Waynes Barnes missed what we saw in a bar in Edinburgh:
He plainly needs to take a look at his prematch fluids routine.
After three pints he wouldn't have missed it!
P.S. Is he a closet Francophile (has form)?
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@pakman said in France vs Springboks:
Waynes Barnes missed what we saw in a bar in Edinburgh:
He plainly needs to take a look at his prematch fluids routine.
After three pints he wouldn't have missed it!
P.S. Is he a closet Francophile (has form)?
@pakman said in France vs Springboks:
@pakman said in France vs Springboks:
Waynes Barnes missed what we saw in a bar in Edinburgh:
He plainly needs to take a look at his prematch fluids routine.
After three pints he wouldn't have missed it!
P.S. Is he a closet Francophile (has form)?
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@pakman said in France vs Springboks:
@pakman said in France vs Springboks:
Waynes Barnes missed what we saw in a bar in Edinburgh:
He plainly needs to take a look at his prematch fluids routine.
After three pints he wouldn't have missed it!
P.S. Is he a closet Francophile (has form)?
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Barnes didn’t have a bad test and I think both red cards were genuinely regretted by both players.PSDT cut an abject figure on bench and DuPont apologised to Kolbe on the field.
Our lineouts weren’t great and Bongi needs to sort more than just a 2 ball to Etzebeth .Thought Marchand was full value.
It was an intense test and really enjoyable apart from the result. What a cauldron of a venue and it bodes well for RWC. French at home are going to be tough for everyone…they REALLY want their name on that cup… -
@OomPB said in France vs Springboks:
@NTA how do you get this?
Willemse is a fullback pretending to be a flyhalf most of the time. However, he also possess a distribution game where the entire Bok plan is still running on kick-and-bash. Maybe over time he and the wingers can make something of it, but he's a square peg in a round hole at the moment.
Le Roux is a total flake. The strategy of him joining as first receiver is to cover Willemse's deficiencies, but his defence is suspect and his temperament has always been crap. Much better at provincial level where he was carving up second-rate D lines.
@NTA The only defancies with Willemse is his place kicking. His distribution, defense has always been outstanding plus he is a very good stepper.
He played 10 all his years and only change to 15 on Rassie's request. Lately he play 12 at the Stormers who have Libbok in 10 and Gelant in 15.This 3 had a massive year for the Stormers.
Willie, also a Paul Roser played 10 until the Cheetahs moved him to 15 and wing.
In my view the Springboks is in desperate need of flair player like Willemse and Willie.
I think you missing the pot totally.
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@NTA The only defancies with Willemse is his place kicking. His distribution, defense has always been outstanding plus he is a very good stepper.
He played 10 all his years and only change to 15 on Rassie's request. Lately he play 12 at the Stormers who have Libbok in 10 and Gelant in 15.This 3 had a massive year for the Stormers.
Willie, also a Paul Roser played 10 until the Cheetahs moved him to 15 and wing.
In my view the Springboks is in desperate need of flair player like Willemse and Willie.
I think you missing the pot totally.
@OomPB unfortunately Willie is less flair but more erratic these days. He always seems rushed and therefore is making poor reads or bad kicks. IMO I think he’s better as a bench option and hopefully for the Boks his abilities can be better used late in the game rather than for longer periods
