All Blacks v England
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@Catogrande yes he might have been uptight but without knowing about these pop up sites that was a solid tackle.
@broughie said in All Blacks v England:
@Catogrande yes he might have been uptight but without knowing about these pop up sites that was a solid tackle.
Don’t worry mate, we’ve all swallowed some of that rancid bait. 🤮
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@broughie said in All Blacks v England:
@Bones That was a pretty impressive tackle. The English lock should be embarrassed.
Hill was far too upright, Ioane tagged him in a good tackle with good tekkers and lifted a leg (legitimately). Result as expected.
Those pop up rugby sites like Rugby Dump and Rugby Onslaught are an embarrassment. Always sensationalising the everyday stuff and giving out “bombshell news” that isn’t.
Still a good tackle mind.
@Catogrande said in All Blacks v England:
Those pop up rugby sites like Rugby Dump and Rugby Onslaught are an embarrassment. Always sensationalising the everyday stuff and giving out “bombshell news” that isn’t.
100% this. So cringe worthy.
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@canefan said in All Blacks v England:
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks v England:
The Major is correct about what I intended to mean. We beat everyone we played this year (except England), even though we also lost to Ireland, SA and Argentina.
We surprisingly had a crap 2022 home record or is that a 2022 pre-Jason Ryan record?
Yes. And Schmidt hadn't come on board in a full capacity? Except the first Ireland test when Fozzie was out with covid19. And we won.....
just quietly, if Schmidt is in charge of our attack, then he is failing because our attack fucking sucks
@mariner4life I think what that England match showed was that despite being very good players, the Jordie/Ioane midfield has a long way to go in knowing how to play together. As a combination it didn’t really work. I’m not a doubter in terms of it being able to work, but there were a few concerning moments.
The last match they played together they didn’t really play as a combo either. Jordie played well because he tucked the ball under the arm and had a really attacking mindset. And there was space for him to operate in (Richie was far more assertive in that match also as opposed to England).
I hope they persist with it but it was one of a number of problems in this match.
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@mariner4life I think what that England match showed was that despite being very good players, the Jordie/Ioane midfield has a long way to go in knowing how to play together. As a combination it didn’t really work. I’m not a doubter in terms of it being able to work, but there were a few concerning moments.
The last match they played together they didn’t really play as a combo either. Jordie played well because he tucked the ball under the arm and had a really attacking mindset. And there was space for him to operate in (Richie was far more assertive in that match also as opposed to England).
I hope they persist with it but it was one of a number of problems in this match.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v England:
@mariner4life I think what that England match showed was that despite being very good players, the Jordie/Ioane midfield has a long way to go in knowing how to play together. As a combination it didn’t really work. I’m not a doubter in terms of it being able to work, but there were a few concerning moments.
The last match they played together they didn’t really play as a combo either. Jordie played well because he tucked the ball under the arm and had a really attacking mindset. And there was space for him to operate in (Richie was far more assertive in that match also as opposed to England).
I hope they persist with it but it was one of a number of problems in this match.
It was mentioned how both Jodie and Ioane retired, backs to the English, on the same side of a central ruck, that created the mismatch for the first English try
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@mariner4life I think what that England match showed was that despite being very good players, the Jordie/Ioane midfield has a long way to go in knowing how to play together. As a combination it didn’t really work. I’m not a doubter in terms of it being able to work, but there were a few concerning moments.
The last match they played together they didn’t really play as a combo either. Jordie played well because he tucked the ball under the arm and had a really attacking mindset. And there was space for him to operate in (Richie was far more assertive in that match also as opposed to England).
I hope they persist with it but it was one of a number of problems in this match.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v England:
@mariner4life I think what that England match showed was that despite being very good players, the Jordie/Ioane midfield has a long way to go in knowing how to play together. As a combination it didn’t really work. I’m not a doubter in terms of it being able to work, but there were a few concerning moments.
The last match they played together they didn’t really play as a combo either. Jordie played well because he tucked the ball under the arm and had a really attacking mindset. And there was space for him to operate in (Richie was far more assertive in that match also as opposed to England).
I hope they persist with it but it was one of a number of problems in this match.
It's almost as though they should play them together more... and they should not shunt Jordie back to 15 every second game... and that playing Havili against Scotland was a complete and utter waste of fucking time... God that was a frustrating selection.
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v England:
@mariner4life I think what that England match showed was that despite being very good players, the Jordie/Ioane midfield has a long way to go in knowing how to play together. As a combination it didn’t really work. I’m not a doubter in terms of it being able to work, but there were a few concerning moments.
The last match they played together they didn’t really play as a combo either. Jordie played well because he tucked the ball under the arm and had a really attacking mindset. And there was space for him to operate in (Richie was far more assertive in that match also as opposed to England).
I hope they persist with it but it was one of a number of problems in this match.
It's almost as though they should play them together more... and they should not shunt Jordie back to 15 every second game... and that playing Havili against Scotland was a complete and utter waste of fucking time... God that was a frustrating selection.
@No-Quarter same issue that we had with Hansen
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Finally getting round to watching recording of second half, having been at game.
ABs definitely had mind off ball when they came out for second, but tackled well under pressure and Ioane try was cruel to end third quarter 8 -3 and in winning possie.
From 60 to 70 Codie, Tyrell and Ethan all off, Nugget off and Frizell on for Scooter. For England front row changed, Youngs and Slade on.
65 - 68 Ribbans, Willis and Nowell on.
BUT from 60 -70 nothing much changed. One bad throw by Sami, strong scrum and maul. But kicking becoming too long: can't chase effectively and England starting to make ground running balls back.
England got into 22 but stopped there, including one strong tackle from Nepo.
Driving play leads to penalty which BB renders unnecessary with droppie to end period 3-0.
So far AB subs haven't made much difference.
Now to watch last ten. Note ALB for Caleb and Hoskins for Paps at 73.
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Last 10.
71 Smith ghosts into huge gap as BBBR aligns wide off ruck (no one two out). Leads to BB yellow. Big tackle from Nepo grounds Stuart shoulders a foot out. No release and goes again. Clear penalty black but should have gone back for BB penalty. Lots of buggering around.
73 Long kick off and some good tackling, notably by Hoskins. England goes wide left then right. Sublime offload by Ribbans in tackle of BBBR then great work by Steward but bad miss by Rieko. Complete lack of AB defensive alignment on their left. Massive gap between ALB and Rieko on sideline. Almost no one put on deck. That said, England exploit lack of defence very well.
75 Long kick off. Hair trigger penalty against Whitelock for not rolling away. Excellent kick by Slade to touch 30 out. But England offside in our 22. Poor Richie kick to 30 out.
77 Safe to BBBR. Good maul. Raynal almost blows for collapse by England. Couple of reasonable pick n'goes. TJP chip over top.
May runs back but tackled well by Hos. BUT again AB defensive alignment non-existent on their left. Run down touchline making 20m+ but Rieko makes pathetic attempt at tackle on Slade when he ought to have used touchline to force him into touch.
England work it and Mako gets to line where Ardie on him and affects to lift ball -- looked like penalty from distance. Stuart over from five out.All too easy!
Conclusions
Criticisms of bench too harsh.
Possible Frizell not getting stuck into rucks which Scooter would have.
The issue was backs.
On defence Richie out of picture covering at back. When England ran left Jordie, ALB and Rieko were leaving the largest gap since Moses.
Gave every impression of just having no plan to deal with such situation.
If one was being charitable one could say that losing BB and reshuffling Rieko wasn't expected.
That said, I think they'd have been a lot better leaving Caleb on so less change to deal with.
Exceptional circumstances aside, NZ much the better team, and at least one of last three England tries should never have been given, so draw really a chimera.
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Chess puzzle for TWM:
Black 15 binned at 71. Subs left ALB, Sotutu, Havili.
Black to substitute whom and win?
TWM fluffed with ALB for CC, and HS for DP, and game finished a tame draw with white.
What was the winning move(s) to win?
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Chess puzzle for TWM:
Black 15 binned at 71. Subs left ALB, Sotutu, Havili.
Black to substitute whom and win?
TWM fluffed with ALB for CC, and HS for DP, and game finished a tame draw with white.
What was the winning move(s) to win?
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Chess puzzle for TWM:
Black 15 binned at 71. Subs left ALB, Sotutu, Havili.
Black to substitute whom and win?
TWM fluffed with ALB for CC, and HS for DP, and game finished a tame draw with white.
What was the winning move(s) to win?
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Chess puzzle for TWM:
Black 15 binned at 71. Subs left ALB, Sotutu, Havili.
Black to substitute whom and win?
TWM fluffed with ALB for CC, and HS for DP, and game finished a tame draw with white.
What was the winning move(s) to win?
@pakman said in All Blacks v England:
Chess puzzle for TWM:
Black 15 binned at 71. Subs left ALB, Sotutu, Havili.
Black to substitute whom and win?
TWM fluffed with ALB for CC, and HS for DP, and game finished a tame draw with white.
What was the winning move(s) to win?
Given that neither wing was a fullback maybe a better option was DH for CC
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Last 10.
71 Smith ghosts into huge gap as BBBR aligns wide off ruck (no one two out). Leads to BB yellow. Big tackle from Nepo grounds Stuart shoulders a foot out. No release and goes again. Clear penalty black but should have gone back for BB penalty. Lots of buggering around.
73 Long kick off and some good tackling, notably by Hoskins. England goes wide left then right. Sublime offload by Ribbans in tackle of BBBR then great work by Steward but bad miss by Rieko. Complete lack of AB defensive alignment on their left. Massive gap between ALB and Rieko on sideline. Almost no one put on deck. That said, England exploit lack of defence very well.
75 Long kick off. Hair trigger penalty against Whitelock for not rolling away. Excellent kick by Slade to touch 30 out. But England offside in our 22. Poor Richie kick to 30 out.
77 Safe to BBBR. Good maul. Raynal almost blows for collapse by England. Couple of reasonable pick n'goes. TJP chip over top.
May runs back but tackled well by Hos. BUT again AB defensive alignment non-existent on their left. Run down touchline making 20m+ but Rieko makes pathetic attempt at tackle on Slade when he ought to have used touchline to force him into touch.
England work it and Mako gets to line where Ardie on him and affects to lift ball -- looked like penalty from distance. Stuart over from five out.All too easy!
Conclusions
Criticisms of bench too harsh.
Possible Frizell not getting stuck into rucks which Scooter would have.
The issue was backs.
On defence Richie out of picture covering at back. When England ran left Jordie, ALB and Rieko were leaving the largest gap since Moses.
Gave every impression of just having no plan to deal with such situation.
If one was being charitable one could say that losing BB and reshuffling Rieko wasn't expected.
That said, I think they'd have been a lot better leaving Caleb on so less change to deal with.
Exceptional circumstances aside, NZ much the better team, and at least one of last three England tries should never have been given, so draw really a chimera.
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The squad is so open right now, the 10/15 utility slot is Damian McKenzie's to take if he's good enough
@canefan said in All Blacks v England:
The squad is so open right now, the 10/15 utility slot is Damian McKenzie's to take if he's good enough
I'm not sure. I had a listen to Foster's interview with Devlin and he was very effusive about what he thinks BB brings at 15 to RMs play at 10. Feels that BB doesn't get the same support when he plays 10.
If one of the two got injured I can see DMac coming back into the fold but there has been no inkling this year that they are interested apart from the AB XV gig -
@canefan said in All Blacks v England:
The squad is so open right now, the 10/15 utility slot is Damian McKenzie's to take if he's good enough
I'm not sure. I had a listen to Foster's interview with Devlin and he was very effusive about what he thinks BB brings at 15 to RMs play at 10. Feels that BB doesn't get the same support when he plays 10.
If one of the two got injured I can see DMac coming back into the fold but there has been no inkling this year that they are interested apart from the AB XV gig@Crucial said in All Blacks v England:
@canefan said in All Blacks v England:
The squad is so open right now, the 10/15 utility slot is Damian McKenzie's to take if he's good enough
I'm not sure. I had a listen to Foster's interview with Devlin and he was very effusive about what he thinks BB brings at 15 to RMs play at 10. Feels that BB doesn't get the same support when he plays 10.
If one of the two got injured I can see DMac coming back into the fold but there has been no inkling this year that they are interested apart from the AB XV gigHe could gun for DHs spot
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@pakman said in All Blacks v England:
Chess puzzle for TWM:
Black 15 binned at 71. Subs left ALB, Sotutu, Havili.
Black to substitute whom and win?
TWM fluffed with ALB for CC, and HS for DP, and game finished a tame draw with white.
What was the winning move(s) to win?
Given that neither wing was a fullback maybe a better option was DH for CC
@Crucial said in All Blacks v England:
@pakman said in All Blacks v England:
Chess puzzle for TWM:
Black 15 binned at 71. Subs left ALB, Sotutu, Havili.
Black to substitute whom and win?
TWM fluffed with ALB for CC, and HS for DP, and game finished a tame draw with white.
What was the winning move(s) to win?
Given that neither wing was a fullback maybe a better option was DH for CC
The winning move for Black was to put someone to full back and take off a forward.
Obvious choices Jordie to 15 and ALB to 12, or just DH to 15.
For me at that stage in order to keep backline defence functioning the less change the better, so I'd have brought on Havili. I don't see there as being much benefit by adding to the chaos by also swapping ALB for Clarke.
Backs sorted, but a forward has to be subbed or removed. So need to play last 9 with two loosies.
But which?
