All Blacks v England
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Ref was fine. BB, honestly where was he all game, he's past it. Whitelock also can't pull 80 minutes. Brodie simply wasn't fit. Why we kept both locks on is beyond me, it was obvious they were gassed. Although some might think that's a choke, I think the gold star goes to England for just putting it out. Pathetic. Who dares wins? Honestly, embarrassing. I'm actually shocked England cut us to bits like that out wide, goes to show we've still got a very long way to go. A draw with England is a loss in my book, but in this day and age I'm sure NZRFU won't see it like that.
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@Damo said in All Blacks v England:
@DMX said in All Blacks v England:
@canefan said in All Blacks v England:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v England:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks v England:
Really disappointed that we gave it away. BB, take a long hard look at yourself. That comeback started with you.
Haha come on, your boy Mo'unga missed touch twice from penalties, the second one ended up with England camped on our line when we should have been on theirs. You can't single one player out for that, we looked knackered at the end of a long season and England finished very strong.
Our kick options are terrible. Barely kicked for touch when that's what was required
Agreed we have no one who can kick for territory.
That's not true. Jordie has a big kick. He should be used more.
At 12 he is more of a ball carrier I get that, but BB and Mounga have failed to lead the team around the park all year this was the worse example of that.
@DMX said in All Blacks v England:
@Damo said in All Blacks v England:
@DMX said in All Blacks v England:
@canefan said in All Blacks v England:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v England:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks v England:
Really disappointed that we gave it away. BB, take a long hard look at yourself. That comeback started with you.
Haha come on, your boy Mo'unga missed touch twice from penalties, the second one ended up with England camped on our line when we should have been on theirs. You can't single one player out for that, we looked knackered at the end of a long season and England finished very strong.
Our kick options are terrible. Barely kicked for touch when that's what was required
Agreed we have no one who can kick for territory.
That's not true. Jordie has a big kick. He should be used more.
At 12 he is more of a ball carrier I get that, but BB and Mounga have failed to lead the team around the park all year this was the worse example of that.
We created more than enough in first half to have smashed them. Then our players don’t know how to close - no long kicking game. They need to fix their tactics.
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It's been said ad nauseum but our issues stem from the defence. And not just the last 10 minutes of this game.
Realistically, who do we have available that's a good alternative to Mcleod? Fix that and things will look pretty good I reckon.
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks v England:
It's been said ad nauseum but our issues stem from the defence. And not just the last 10 minutes of this game.
Realistically, who do we have available that's a good alternative to Mcleod? Fix that and things will look pretty good I reckon.
How that clown survived the chop is beyond me. Apparently he didn't review well last year too. I would have gone with Mitchell as soon as he parted ways with England.
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Ref was fine. BB, honestly where was he all game, he's past it. Whitelock also can't pull 80 minutes. Brodie simply wasn't fit. Why we kept both locks on is beyond me, it was obvious they were gassed. Although some might think that's a choke, I think the gold star goes to England for just putting it out. Pathetic. Who dares wins? Honestly, embarrassing. I'm actually shocked England cut us to bits like that out wide, goes to show we've still got a very long way to go. A draw with England is a loss in my book, but in this day and age I'm sure NZRFU won't see it like that.
@LagerLout said in All Blacks v England:
Ref was fine. BB, honestly where was he all game, he's past it. Whitelock also can't pull 80 minutes. Brodie simply wasn't fit. Why we kept both locks on is beyond me, it was obvious they were gassed. Although some might think that's a choke, I think the gold star goes to England for just putting it out. Pathetic. Who dares wins? Honestly, embarrassing. I'm actually shocked England cut us to bits like that out wide, goes to show we've still got a very long way to go. A draw with England is a loss in my book, but in this day and age I'm sure NZRFU won't see it like that.
The ref wasn't fine. Didn't favour either team, but the calls were so unpredictable both teams suffered.
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After 60 minutes I was about to come on and say how that we only scored via cross kicks and intercepts, but at least we were winning.
Then that happened. I hate Foster so much.
Our backs are good enough, but our back line is terrible.
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@LagerLout said in All Blacks v England:
Ref was fine. BB, honestly where was he all game, he's past it. Whitelock also can't pull 80 minutes. Brodie simply wasn't fit. Why we kept both locks on is beyond me, it was obvious they were gassed. Although some might think that's a choke, I think the gold star goes to England for just putting it out. Pathetic. Who dares wins? Honestly, embarrassing. I'm actually shocked England cut us to bits like that out wide, goes to show we've still got a very long way to go. A draw with England is a loss in my book, but in this day and age I'm sure NZRFU won't see it like that.
The ref wasn't fine. Didn't favour either team, but the calls were so unpredictable both teams suffered.
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I thought the ref had a very good game, that last penalty against Whitelock for not rolling away was very harsh, though, he rolled pretty quickly. That first try for England was one of these where I thought the ref saying "no try" on field would have been the decider, but them's the breaks. Would have screamed for it to be given if it was an AB dotting that one down.
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@sparky said in All Blacks v England:
England social media celebrating the draw.
https://twitter.com/EnglandRugby/status/1594048772081913857?t=GyGEeEdXxO23GL6R3WRgfQ&s=19
And fair enough too. Unreal comeback.
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@Crazy-Horse Yep, and one try was given that should have been disallowed, because there was no conclusive evidence of a grounding.
@Stargazer said in All Blacks v England:
@Crazy-Horse Yep, and one try was given that should have been disallowed, because there was no conclusive evidence of a grounding.
Disagree re the grounding. I thought an angle showed the ball clearly on the line. They only showed the angle once soon after the try, but the ball definitely touched the line.
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@LagerLout said in All Blacks v England:
Ref was fine. BB, honestly where was he all game, he's past it. Whitelock also can't pull 80 minutes. Brodie simply wasn't fit. Why we kept both locks on is beyond me, it was obvious they were gassed. Although some might think that's a choke, I think the gold star goes to England for just putting it out. Pathetic. Who dares wins? Honestly, embarrassing. I'm actually shocked England cut us to bits like that out wide, goes to show we've still got a very long way to go. A draw with England is a loss in my book, but in this day and age I'm sure NZRFU won't see it like that.
The ref wasn't fine. Didn't favour either team, but the calls were so unpredictable both teams suffered.
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks v England:
@LagerLout said in All Blacks v England:
Ref was fine. BB, honestly where was he all game, he's past it. Whitelock also can't pull 80 minutes. Brodie simply wasn't fit. Why we kept both locks on is beyond me, it was obvious they were gassed. Although some might think that's a choke, I think the gold star goes to England for just putting it out. Pathetic. Who dares wins? Honestly, embarrassing. I'm actually shocked England cut us to bits like that out wide, goes to show we've still got a very long way to go. A draw with England is a loss in my book, but in this day and age I'm sure NZRFU won't see it like that.
The ref wasn't fine. Didn't favour either team, but the calls were so unpredictable both teams suffered.
Yep. Needed to take him out of the game and did a brilliant job. Then bizarrely just did everything to try and bring England back, mind boggling, but not wholly unexpected.
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@No-Quarter RM got man of the match
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks v England:
@No-Quarter RM got man of the match
That's hilarious
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England social media celebrating the draw.
https://twitter.com/EnglandRugby/status/1594048772081913857?t=GyGEeEdXxO23GL6R3WRgfQ&s=19
@sparky said in All Blacks v England:
England social media celebrating the draw.
https://twitter.com/EnglandRugby/status/1594048772081913857?t=GyGEeEdXxO23GL6R3WRgfQ&s=19
It gives me flashbacks of Will Carling carried around Twickenham after another glorious draw against the ABs
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@Stargazer said in All Blacks v England:
@Crazy-Horse Yep, and one try was given that should have been disallowed, because there was no conclusive evidence of a grounding.
Disagree re the grounding. I thought an angle showed the ball clearly on the line. They only showed the angle once soon after the try, but the ball definitely touched the line.
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks v England:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks v England:
@Crazy-Horse Yep, and one try was given that should have been disallowed, because there was no conclusive evidence of a grounding.
Disagree re the grounding. I thought an angle showed the ball clearly on the line. They only showed the angle once soon after the try, but the ball definitely touched the line.
Guess it depends on your definition of clear and obvious. Mine is to see the ball clearly on the line, quite obviously. Not "I think that might be a blade of grass coloured white touching the ball".
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@sparky said in All Blacks v England:
England social media celebrating the draw.
https://twitter.com/EnglandRugby/status/1594048772081913857?t=GyGEeEdXxO23GL6R3WRgfQ&s=19
It gives me flashbacks of Will Carling carried around Twickenham after another glorious draw against the ABs
@canefan said in All Blacks v England:
@sparky said in All Blacks v England:
England social media celebrating the draw.
https://twitter.com/EnglandRugby/status/1594048772081913857?t=GyGEeEdXxO23GL6R3WRgfQ&s=19
It gives me flashbacks of Will Carling carried around Twickenham after another glorious draw against the ABs
And so they should. They shouldn’t have got close. That was a fantastic draw for them to come back from so far down.
Fair dues to them
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks v England:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks v England:
@Crazy-Horse Yep, and one try was given that should have been disallowed, because there was no conclusive evidence of a grounding.
Disagree re the grounding. I thought an angle showed the ball clearly on the line. They only showed the angle once soon after the try, but the ball definitely touched the line.
Guess it depends on your definition of clear and obvious. Mine is to see the ball clearly on the line, quite obviously. Not "I think that might be a blade of grass coloured white touching the ball".
@Bones said in All Blacks v England:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks v England:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks v England:
@Crazy-Horse Yep, and one try was given that should have been disallowed, because there was no conclusive evidence of a grounding.
Disagree re the grounding. I thought an angle showed the ball clearly on the line. They only showed the angle once soon after the try, but the ball definitely touched the line.
Guess it depends on your definition of clear and obvious. Mine is to see the ball clearly on the line, quite obviously. Not "I think that might be a blade of grass coloured white touching the ball".
I saw the ball clearly on the line.
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England were under the pump till the 71st minute, but the ABs should have nailed the coffin long before. There were costly errors when the NZ forwards were destroying their English counterparts : two crooked throws by Taylor and two missed kicks by RM after favorable penalties.
@cgrant said in All Blacks v England:
England were under the pump till the 71st minute, but the ABs should have nailed the coffin long before. There were costly errors when the NZ forwards were destroying their English counterparts : two crooked throws by Taylor and two missed kicks by RM after favorable penalties.
You didn't think the ST crooked throw after a penalty was a bit costly?
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Ref was fine. BB, honestly where was he all game, he's past it. Whitelock also can't pull 80 minutes. Brodie simply wasn't fit. Why we kept both locks on is beyond me, it was obvious they were gassed. Although some might think that's a choke, I think the gold star goes to England for just putting it out. Pathetic. Who dares wins? Honestly, embarrassing. I'm actually shocked England cut us to bits like that out wide, goes to show we've still got a very long way to go. A draw with England is a loss in my book, but in this day and age I'm sure NZRFU won't see it like that.
@LagerLout said in All Blacks v England:
Ref was fine. BB, honestly where was he all game, he's past it. Whitelock also can't pull 80 minutes. Brodie simply wasn't fit. Why we kept both locks on is beyond me, it was obvious they were gassed. Although some might think that's a choke, I think the gold star goes to England for just putting it out. Pathetic. Who dares wins? Honestly, embarrassing. I'm actually shocked England cut us to bits like that out wide, goes to show we've still got a very long way to go. A draw with England is a loss in my book, but in this day and age I'm sure NZRFU won't see it like that.
Spot on. Some of these players have to give way for younger ones. Hate to harp on but it all goes back to Foster who should not be there. You have to ruthless and get rid of some of the dead wood. On this choke we do not have a chance next year in France.
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@LagerLout said in All Blacks v England:
Ref was fine. BB, honestly where was he all game, he's past it. Whitelock also can't pull 80 minutes. Brodie simply wasn't fit. Why we kept both locks on is beyond me, it was obvious they were gassed. Although some might think that's a choke, I think the gold star goes to England for just putting it out. Pathetic. Who dares wins? Honestly, embarrassing. I'm actually shocked England cut us to bits like that out wide, goes to show we've still got a very long way to go. A draw with England is a loss in my book, but in this day and age I'm sure NZRFU won't see it like that.
Spot on. Some of these players have to give way for younger ones. Hate to harp on but it all goes back to Foster who should not be there. You have to ruthless and get rid of some of the dead wood. On this choke we do not have a chance next year in France.
@mencey said in All Blacks v England:
@LagerLout said in All Blacks v England:
Ref was fine. BB, honestly where was he all game, he's past it. Whitelock also can't pull 80 minutes. Brodie simply wasn't fit. Why we kept both locks on is beyond me, it was obvious they were gassed. Although some might think that's a choke, I think the gold star goes to England for just putting it out. Pathetic. Who dares wins? Honestly, embarrassing. I'm actually shocked England cut us to bits like that out wide, goes to show we've still got a very long way to go. A draw with England is a loss in my book, but in this day and age I'm sure NZRFU won't see it like that.
Spot on. Some of these players have to give way for younger ones. Hate to harp on but it all goes back to Foster who should not be there. You have to ruthless and get rid of some of the dead wood. On this choke we do not have a chance next year in France.
Of we do well in France maybe we look back to this game as a marker....
