All Blacks v England
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@bayimports said in All Blacks v England:
@Bones my theory will be rotation of hooker minutes enforced upon them by Coles in Japan will be the logic we hear.. I prefer Sami to start, but I don't think it happens either especially since Codie has found some much needed mojo
I makes zero sense, we saw the perfect use of them and what they bring in the weekend. Therefore I fully expect it to be reversed.
And Ennor to start at centre.
@Bones since when has our fern hive mind ever worked over a selection panel..Im getting used to hearing things I dont want to hear from Foster now, so no shocks here unless you wanted Ennor of course . My thoughts were just on the team I think he would pick, not the one I would like to see. Happy to be wrong on that one though
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With Whitelock and Scooter you basically have 80 minute players. Scooter is a starter. He’s only come off the bench twice in the last two years and they were both last season and one of those was against the Argies when we started Patty T and Vaa’i.
Barrett has been replaced 4 times this year in the 74th, 72nd, 70th and 71st minute. They are not going to use Brodie for those sort of token minutes.
I’d be starting all three of them and that way you have options with two loosies off the bench - Ioane or Frizzel and one of Harmon or Hoskins.
Ardie is an 80 minute player too, but they have selected Hoskins on the bench when Ardie has been in the side. It’s just that he hasn’t replaced Ardie.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v England:
Barrett has been replaced 4 times this year in the 74th, 72nd, 70th and 71st minute. They are not going to use Brodie for those sort of token minutes.
Especially in his 100th test.
If they liked what Bower offered against Scotland then Ofa could switch over to the reserve TH.
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@Bones since when has our fern hive mind ever worked over a selection panel..Im getting used to hearing things I dont want to hear from Foster now, so no shocks here unless you wanted Ennor of course . My thoughts were just on the team I think he would pick, not the one I would like to see. Happy to be wrong on that one though
@bayimports said in All Blacks v England:
@Bones since when has our fern hive mind ever worked over a selection panel..Im getting used to hearing things I dont want to hear from Foster now, so no shocks here unless you wanted Ennor of course . My thoughts were just on the team I think he would pick, not the one I would like to see. Happy to be wrong on that one though
Our time will come!
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I would like Sami to start and Scott B at 6 and Reece and Rieko on wings.
And I would like to see Aumua Telea Harmon and Sotutu or Frizzell on the bench or possibly a 6 forward bench with Vaii added. I want to make it harder for Eddie by subbing on some players he is less familiar with. Those guys are bursting for an opportunity so I don't want them to reward the under-performers whose frailties are easier to see and target.
Was kinda hoping Dmac might get called back in for some time at 10 as confidence seemingly not there with Perofeta. But seems unlikely now.
Will be an interesting match. I think the keys are having Jordie at 12 and Sami starting, to get the forward momentum. Just hope Mounga is in top form with his tactical kicking and that Sam W is better than last week at quickly managing referee interpretations that trouble us. -
Super fast wing Adam Radwan and 133kg prop Will Stuart added to the England squad this week -
https://twitter.com/i/status/1591473526703550466 -
1.Ethan de Groot; 2.Codie Taylor; 3.Tyrel Lomax; 4.Brodie Retallick; 5.Sam Whitelock; 6.Shannon Frizell; 7.Dalton Papali'i; 8.Ardie Savea; 9.Aaaron Smith; 10.Richie Moúnga, 11.Rieko Ioane; 12.Jordie Barrett; 13.Anton Lienert-Brown; 14.Sevu Reece; 15.Beauden Barrett.
16.Big Sami; 17.Ofa Tu'ungafasi; 18. LFletcher Newell; 19.Scott Barrett; 20.Akira Ioane; 21.TJ Perenara; 22.David Havili; 23.Caleb Clarke.
@Chris-B said in All Blacks v England:
1.Ethan de Groot; 2.Codie Taylor; 3.Tyrel Lomax; 4.Brodie Retallick; 5.Sam Whitelock; 6.Shannon Frizell; 7.Dalton Papali'i; 8.Ardie Savea; 9.Aaaron Smith; 10.Richie Moúnga, 11.Rieko Ioane; 12.Jordie Barrett; 13.Anton Lienert-Brown; 14.Sevu Reece; 15.Beauden Barrett.
16.Big Sami; 17.Ofa Tu'ungafasi; 18. LFletcher Newell; 19.Scott Barrett; 20.Akira Ioane; 21.TJ Perenara; 22.David Havili; 23.Caleb Clarke.
ALB looked better at 12.
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@Bones since when has our fern hive mind ever worked over a selection panel..Im getting used to hearing things I dont want to hear from Foster now, so no shocks here unless you wanted Ennor of course . My thoughts were just on the team I think he would pick, not the one I would like to see. Happy to be wrong on that one though
@bayimports said in All Blacks v England:
@Bones since when has our fern hive mind ever worked over a selection panel..
like Sami T to start, JB to leave wing and then 15 and move to 12?
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Super fast wing Adam Radwan and 133kg prop Will Stuart added to the England squad this week -
https://twitter.com/i/status/1591473526703550466@Daffy-Jaffy said in All Blacks v England:
Super fast wing Adam Radwan and 133kg prop Will Stuart added to the England squad this week -
https://twitter.com/i/status/1591473526703550466Looks like Gloucester had there entire front row defending out wide. Bold strategy.
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Taukeiaho starts. You want your best players getting the most minutes.
I'd start the 3 locks. I don't think S Barrett is any less mobile then the SF or AI. And he's clearly the better player.
Ioane starts at centre. ALB was not close to playing well enough to force his way into the starting XV.
I'd consider shifting Sevu to the left wing and starting Telea. Probably won't happen though. The wings really need to step up.
The rest should be straight forward with the prop reserves being a crap shoot. TJP, Havili and ALB on the bench. Realistically Perofeta should be on the bench but there is zero faith in him so may as well go for Havili as Foster might actually put him on.
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WTF has happened here? Berry was meant to be the ref, but obviously a deal has been done.
Referee: Mathieu Raynal (FFR)
Assistant Referee 1: Damon Murphy (RA)
Assistant Referee 2: Nika Amashukeli (GRU)
TMO: Brian MacNeice (IRFU) -
@Bones I don't know. He was an AR in the England-Japan game.
Edit:
Australian Nic Berry was scheduled to ref the test at Twickenham – New Zealand’s last of the year – however World Rugby on Wednesday (NZT) announced he has headed home for personal reasons.
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@canefan said in All Blacks v England:
A French ref. Oh great.
I’m more concerned about that whole ref combo. The Georgian project ref and Murphy alongside Random Raynal?
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@canefan said in All Blacks v England:
A French ref. Oh great.
I’m more concerned about that whole ref combo. The Georgian project ref and Murphy alongside Random Raynal?
@Crucial said in All Blacks v England:
@canefan said in All Blacks v England:
A French ref. Oh great.
I’m more concerned about that whole ref combo. The Georgian project ref and Murphy alongside Random Raynal?
Bring back Barnes?
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@canefan said in All Blacks v England:
A French ref. Oh great.
I’m more concerned about that whole ref combo. The Georgian project ref and Murphy alongside Random Raynal?
@Crucial said in All Blacks v England:
@canefan said in All Blacks v England:
A French ref. Oh great.
I’m more concerned about that whole ref combo. The Georgian project ref and Murphy alongside Random Raynal?
There'll be no time wasting though eh
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@Crucial said in All Blacks v England:
@canefan said in All Blacks v England:
A French ref. Oh great.
I’m more concerned about that whole ref combo. The Georgian project ref and Murphy alongside Random Raynal?
There'll be no time wasting though eh
@Bones said in All Blacks v England:
@Crucial said in All Blacks v England:
@canefan said in All Blacks v England:
A French ref. Oh great.
I’m more concerned about that whole ref combo. The Georgian project ref and Murphy alongside Random Raynal?
There'll be no time wasting though eh
The time wasting will be the frog and the georgian trying to understand each other
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picking the team are we? I am not expecting major changes and some people in positions we have seen before.. I am picking DH to miss out this week though. There is much love for Caleb in the selectors and although we have seen weaknesses they do appear to be persisting through it.
1.Ethan de Groot; 2.Codie Taylor; 3.Tyrel Lomax; 4.Brodie Retallick; 5.Sam Whitelock; 6.Scott Barrett; 7.Dalton Papali'i; 8.Ardie Savea; 9.Aaron Smith; 10.Richie Moúnga, 11.Caleb Clarke; 12.Jordie Barrett; 13.Rieko Ioane; 14.Sevu Reece; 15.Beauden Barrett.
16.Samisoni Taukei'aho; 17.George Bower; 18. Fletcher Newell; 19.Shannon Frizell;20. Hoskins Sotutu 21.TJ Perenara; 22.Anton Lienert-Brown; 23.Stephen Perofeta.
@bayimports said in All Blacks v England:
picking the team are we? I am not expecting major changes and some people in positions we have seen before.. I am picking DH to miss out this week though. There is much love for Caleb in the selectors and although we have seen weaknesses they do appear to be persisting through it.
1.Ethan de Groot; 2.Codie Taylor; 3.Tyrel Lomax; 4.Brodie Retallick; 5.Sam Whitelock; 6.Scott Barrett; 7.Dalton Papali'i; 8.Ardie Savea; 9.Aaron Smith; 10.Richie Moúnga, 11.Caleb Clarke; 12.Jordie Barrett; 13.Rieko Ioane; 14.Sevu Reece; 15.Beauden Barrett.
16.Samisoni Taukei'aho; 17.George Bower; 18. Fletcher Newell; 19.Shannon Frizell;20. Hoskins Sotutu 21.TJ Perenara; 22.Anton Lienert-Brown; 23.Stephen Perofeta.
If I were Eddie, I'd probably be preparing for something very close to this.
Personally, I'd start Sami and finish with Codie, but the selections for Wales make me think Fozzie will likely go the other way. Won't be surprised, either way.
For England, I think they might want fresh legs in the tight five for the final 30 minutes, so I'd keep one of the big three locks on the bench - it could be Brodie. I doubt they'd put both Frizz and Akira on the bench, so my selection allows them to deploy all those five. I think this is the first time this year that all five have simultaneously been available, so a bit of a test case.
ALB at centre, Rieko on the left wing.
Backing a hunch that Fozzie is a man with a plan. He's been coaching ALB for 6 years and for much of that time he's been a starting midfielder - he's one of Fozzie's boys. His wings, excluding Telea, haven't been impressive on this tour. Clarke has played every minute of the three tests so far (the only person who has) - and Rieko got a little run on the wing vs Wales. ALB might have scuppered the plan by not being great last weekend, but I reckon Fozzie will still rather have him on the park than Caleb.
I can't see Fozzie picking Telea for this one. He'll be desperate to win, give us all the finger with a seven game winning streak to close the season and sleep soundly all summer. I think he'll recall Big Leicester being pretty good in Ireland 1 and not so good in his next outing. Not a game for rookies.
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@bayimports said in All Blacks v England:
picking the team are we? I am not expecting major changes and some people in positions we have seen before.. I am picking DH to miss out this week though. There is much love for Caleb in the selectors and although we have seen weaknesses they do appear to be persisting through it.
1.Ethan de Groot; 2.Codie Taylor; 3.Tyrel Lomax; 4.Brodie Retallick; 5.Sam Whitelock; 6.Scott Barrett; 7.Dalton Papali'i; 8.Ardie Savea; 9.Aaron Smith; 10.Richie Moúnga, 11.Caleb Clarke; 12.Jordie Barrett; 13.Rieko Ioane; 14.Sevu Reece; 15.Beauden Barrett.
16.Samisoni Taukei'aho; 17.George Bower; 18. Fletcher Newell; 19.Shannon Frizell;20. Hoskins Sotutu 21.TJ Perenara; 22.Anton Lienert-Brown; 23.Stephen Perofeta.
If I were Eddie, I'd probably be preparing for something very close to this.
Personally, I'd start Sami and finish with Codie, but the selections for Wales make me think Fozzie will likely go the other way. Won't be surprised, either way.
For England, I think they might want fresh legs in the tight five for the final 30 minutes, so I'd keep one of the big three locks on the bench - it could be Brodie. I doubt they'd put both Frizz and Akira on the bench, so my selection allows them to deploy all those five. I think this is the first time this year that all five have simultaneously been available, so a bit of a test case.
ALB at centre, Rieko on the left wing.
Backing a hunch that Fozzie is a man with a plan. He's been coaching ALB for 6 years and for much of that time he's been a starting midfielder - he's one of Fozzie's boys. His wings, excluding Telea, haven't been impressive on this tour. Clarke has played every minute of the three tests so far (the only person who has) - and Rieko got a little run on the wing vs Wales. ALB might have scuppered the plan by not being great last weekend, but I reckon Fozzie will still rather have him on the park than Caleb.
I can't see Fozzie picking Telea for this one. He'll be desperate to win, give us all the finger with a seven game winning streak to close the season and sleep soundly all summer. I think he'll recall Big Leicester being pretty good in Ireland 1 and not so good in his next outing. Not a game for rookies.
@Chris-B there’s a couple ways it could go with 2nd 5 / centre / fullback
Jordie / Ioane / Beaudie. ALB bench
ALB / Ioane / Jordie. Beaudie bench
Jordie / ALB / Beaudie. Ioane wing
Havili / Ioane / Jordie. Beaudie and ALB bench
