All Blacks v England
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Perenaras injury did look bad, possibly hard for him to get back to WC contention if he is going to be needing surgery.
Still a lot of work to do, at 22-6 we should have put 40+ on them. Still the Irish and French have been looking a little bit more vulnerable in places recently so things may be bit more of an even playing field next year
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@Damo said in All Blacks v England:
BB's stupid drop goal did not help but it was the defence out wide that let us down.
Huh? If he missed the kick we likely would have gone for the penalty anyway.
@sparky said in All Blacks v England:
Eddie Jones has done us an enormous favour there. Our current defence is no where near good enough for the last ten minutes of a RWC knockout. A big rethink of that area is needed.
Yeah, I think this last 10 minutes might be beneficial for next year as we'll have a rethink and focus on it. Kind of like 2009 when we had to rethink our wing style to combat kicks.
I don't think Smith is going to a popular guy in the changing room, Farrell and the nearest prop looked pissed when he kicked that out.
@Nepia said in All Blacks v England:
@Damo said in All Blacks v England:
BB's stupid drop goal did not help but it was the defence out wide that let us down.
Huh? If he missed the kick we likely would have gone for the penalty anyway.
It was a dumb play and he's done it many times before. It's a free play when on advantage, go for maximum points.
We were up by 16 at that stage, taking the dropkick meant England still had to score 3 tries to win it. Surely the better option was to take it outside the 3 try margin by scoring a try. Even if nothing eventuated from it we would have then gone back to the penalty and more importantly killed off a couple of minutes.
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What a loser
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@Nepia said in All Blacks v England:
@Damo said in All Blacks v England:
BB's stupid drop goal did not help but it was the defence out wide that let us down.
Huh? If he missed the kick we likely would have gone for the penalty anyway.
It was a dumb play and he's done it many times before. It's a free play when on advantage, go for maximum points.
We were up by 16 at that stage, taking the dropkick meant England still had to score 3 tries to win it. Surely the better option was to take it outside the 3 try margin by scoring a try. Even if nothing eventuated from it we would have then gone back to the penalty and more importantly killed off a couple of minutes.
@akan004 said in All Blacks v England:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v England:
@Damo said in All Blacks v England:
BB's stupid drop goal did not help but it was the defence out wide that let us down.
Huh? If he missed the kick we likely would have gone for the penalty anyway.
It was a dumb play and he's done it many times before. It's a free play when on advantage, go for maximum points.
We were up by 16 at that stage, taking the dropkick meant England still had to score 3 tries to win it. Surely the better option was to take it outside the 3 try margin by scoring a try. Even if nothing eventuated from it we would have then gone back to the penalty and more importantly killed off a couple of minutes.
Surely not. Take the 3 points. Then you are just seeking 3 more points to make the game safe.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks v England:
but England ran through some big holes.
just as the Irish did at the start of the year.
For all the improvements we have made, our defence is still pretty shit, leaking 22 points in the 2nd half is a shocker!
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v England:
For all the improvements we have made, our defence is still pretty shit, leaking 22 points in the 2nd half is a shocker!
A recent record?
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@akan004 said in All Blacks v England:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v England:
@Damo said in All Blacks v England:
BB's stupid drop goal did not help but it was the defence out wide that let us down.
Huh? If he missed the kick we likely would have gone for the penalty anyway.
It was a dumb play and he's done it many times before. It's a free play when on advantage, go for maximum points.
We were up by 16 at that stage, taking the dropkick meant England still had to score 3 tries to win it. Surely the better option was to take it outside the 3 try margin by scoring a try. Even if nothing eventuated from it we would have then gone back to the penalty and more importantly killed off a couple of minutes.
Surely not. Take the 3 points. Then you are just seeking 3 more points to make the game safe.
@ARHS said in All Blacks v England:
@akan004 said in All Blacks v England:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v England:
@Damo said in All Blacks v England:
BB's stupid drop goal did not help but it was the defence out wide that let us down.
Huh? If he missed the kick we likely would have gone for the penalty anyway.
It was a dumb play and he's done it many times before. It's a free play when on advantage, go for maximum points.
We were up by 16 at that stage, taking the dropkick meant England still had to score 3 tries to win it. Surely the better option was to take it outside the 3 try margin by scoring a try. Even if nothing eventuated from it we would have then gone back to the penalty and more importantly killed off a couple of minutes.
Surely not. Take the 3 points. Then you are just seeking 3 more points to make the game safe.
It's a free play though. What do you have to lose by attempting to score a try? If you don't score you still get the penalty and then can go for the 3, and you would have killed a few minutes in doing so.
Whitelock may have even decided to go to the corner, BB took that option away from him by going for the drop kick. Poor game management imo.
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@ARHS said in All Blacks v England:
@akan004 said in All Blacks v England:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v England:
@Damo said in All Blacks v England:
BB's stupid drop goal did not help but it was the defence out wide that let us down.
Huh? If he missed the kick we likely would have gone for the penalty anyway.
It was a dumb play and he's done it many times before. It's a free play when on advantage, go for maximum points.
We were up by 16 at that stage, taking the dropkick meant England still had to score 3 tries to win it. Surely the better option was to take it outside the 3 try margin by scoring a try. Even if nothing eventuated from it we would have then gone back to the penalty and more importantly killed off a couple of minutes.
Surely not. Take the 3 points. Then you are just seeking 3 more points to make the game safe.
It's a free play though. What do you have to lose by attempting to score a try? If you don't score you still get the penalty and then can go for the 3, and you would have killed a few minutes in doing so.
Whitelock may have even decided to go to the corner, BB took that option away from him by going for the drop kick. Poor game management imo.
@akan004 said in All Blacks v England:
@ARHS said in All Blacks v England:
@akan004 said in All Blacks v England:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v England:
@Damo said in All Blacks v England:
BB's stupid drop goal did not help but it was the defence out wide that let us down.
Huh? If he missed the kick we likely would have gone for the penalty anyway.
It was a dumb play and he's done it many times before. It's a free play when on advantage, go for maximum points.
We were up by 16 at that stage, taking the dropkick meant England still had to score 3 tries to win it. Surely the better option was to take it outside the 3 try margin by scoring a try. Even if nothing eventuated from it we would have then gone back to the penalty and more importantly killed off a couple of minutes.
Surely not. Take the 3 points. Then you are just seeking 3 more points to make the game safe.
It's a free play though. What do you have to lose by attempting to score a try? If you don't score you still get the penalty and then can go for the 3, and you would have killed a few minutes in doing so.
Whitelock may have even decided to go to the corner, BB took that option away from him by going for the drop kick. Poor game management imo.
I agree in hindsight. But it did add scoreboard pressure. We had plenty of points in the bank, we did plenty of stuff wrong after that to let them back in
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v England:
@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks v England:
What a loser
who?
Smith for so meekly accepting a draw.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v England:
@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks v England:
What a loser
who?
Smith for so meekly accepting a draw.
@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks v England:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v England:
@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks v England:
What a loser
who?
Smith for so meekly accepting a draw.
Ok
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Why for the love of god would you attempt a dinky little kick in behind the English defence, just outside our 22, when we've only got three fucking defenders covering more than half the pitch?
@antipodean said in All Blacks v England:
Why for the love of god would you attempt a dinky little kick in behind the English defence, just outside our 22, when we've only got three fucking defenders covering more than half the pitch?
Apparently Ardie called TJ to kick it there , and then stuffed up the chase , got himself in front and had to back off
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Well a good game. That was overshadowed by a draw and a GOD AWFUL FUCKUNG fluffybunny of a ref
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Very disappointing (more on that later) but I'd just say that the performance last night shows that we most certainly do have the cattle. What is lacking is the leadership, structure and right selections (what was even the point of having Havili there). As frustrating as that is at least we can say that there have been some vast improvements.
Oh yeah, JB at 12
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v England:
Very disappointing (more on that later) but I'd just say that the performance last night shows that we most certainly do have the cattle. What is lacking is the leadership, structure and right selections (what was even the point of having Havili there). As frustrating as that is at least we can say that there have been some vast improvements.
Oh yeah, JB at 12
Are you saying jordie is shit or good at 12?
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v England:
Very disappointing (more on that later) but I'd just say that the performance last night shows that we most certainly do have the cattle. What is lacking is the leadership, structure and right selections (what was even the point of having Havili there). As frustrating as that is at least we can say that there have been some vast improvements.
Oh yeah, JB at 12
Are you saying jordie is shit or good at 12?
@Mackerzzzz said in All Blacks v England:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v England:
Very disappointing (more on that later) but I'd just say that the performance last night shows that we most certainly do have the cattle. What is lacking is the leadership, structure and right selections (what was even the point of having Havili there). As frustrating as that is at least we can say that there have been some vast improvements.
Oh yeah, JB at 12
Are you saying jordie is shit or good at 12?
You're new here aren't you?
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@Mackerzzzz said in All Blacks v England:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v England:
Very disappointing (more on that later) but I'd just say that the performance last night shows that we most certainly do have the cattle. What is lacking is the leadership, structure and right selections (what was even the point of having Havili there). As frustrating as that is at least we can say that there have been some vast improvements.
Oh yeah, JB at 12
Are you saying jordie is shit or good at 12?
You're new here aren't you?
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v England:
@Mackerzzzz said in All Blacks v England:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v England:
Very disappointing (more on that later) but I'd just say that the performance last night shows that we most certainly do have the cattle. What is lacking is the leadership, structure and right selections (what was even the point of having Havili there). As frustrating as that is at least we can say that there have been some vast improvements.
Oh yeah, JB at 12
Are you saying jordie is shit or good at 12?
You're new here aren't you?
Well as far as I know
mean shit so?........ and jordie is our best 12? -
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v England:
@Mackerzzzz said in All Blacks v England:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v England:
Very disappointing (more on that later) but I'd just say that the performance last night shows that we most certainly do have the cattle. What is lacking is the leadership, structure and right selections (what was even the point of having Havili there). As frustrating as that is at least we can say that there have been some vast improvements.
Oh yeah, JB at 12
Are you saying jordie is shit or good at 12?
You're new here aren't you?
Well as far as I know
mean shit so?........ and jordie is our best 12?@Mackerzzzz said in All Blacks v England:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v England:
@Mackerzzzz said in All Blacks v England:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v England:
Very disappointing (more on that later) but I'd just say that the performance last night shows that we most certainly do have the cattle. What is lacking is the leadership, structure and right selections (what was even the point of having Havili there). As frustrating as that is at least we can say that there have been some vast improvements.
Oh yeah, JB at 12
Are you saying jordie is shit or good at 12?
You're new here aren't you?
Well as far as I know
mean shit so?........ and jordie is our best 12?Long story short: I've been vocally campaigning for him being at 12 for about 5 years. The
is me woefully failing to be humble about it towards the doubters, of which there were many. -
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Forwards were fantastic.
Overall happy with 2022
I'd prefer if 10 and 15 stopped looking for the miracle plays at times and stick to basics. High risk cross kicks not good.
Pick and goes, short ball to the wingers, JB on the cut
We have enough firepower up front to be competitive.
SB silenced the 6 doubters
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Forwards were fantastic.
Overall happy with 2022
I'd prefer if 10 and 15 stopped looking for the miracle plays at times and stick to basics. High risk cross kicks not good.
Pick and goes, short ball to the wingers, JB on the cut
We have enough firepower up front to be competitive.
SB silenced the 6 doubters
Paps is locked in now@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v England:
Paps is locked in now
I'll be quite perturbed if they go back to Cane.
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@Chris said in All Blacks v England:
We lost control of the game when the bench came on they were shit.
Saying we looked tired Fucking hell we had pretty much 8 fresh players on for the last 10.We need to look at different bench players to close out the games.
Havili and Frizzel are not the right players to have on the bench. Both are found wanting at this level anyway, not sure why we thought they'd be adequate to come on at the end of a big test. That was poor selection but for some reason the coaches love those two players despite repeatedly poor performances.
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v England:
@Chris said in All Blacks v England:
We lost control of the game when the bench came on they were shit.
Saying we looked tired Fucking hell we had pretty much 8 fresh players on for the last 10.We need to look at different bench players to close out the games.
Havili and Frizzel are not the right players to have on the bench.
I'll gently suggest to just watch Frizell's 15 minutes at the end again.
You might not be as surprised when he gets picked next time.
