Black Caps v England
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@Chris said in Black Caps v England:
@canefan said in Black Caps v England:
@Chris said in Black Caps v England:
@Crazy-Horse said in Black Caps v England:
@Chris said in Black Caps v England:
@Chris-B said in Black Caps v England:
Bright debut for Muhammad Abbas who has big raps on him.
Should be useful in two or three years.
Yes I know his Dad Azhar I Have done some coaching with him in Auckland back in 2011/12.Muhammad was a we pup following dad around back then he must have been 7 or 8.
Good pedigree he will be an International going forward he showed natural talent back then at that young age.I was about to ask you if you have seen this fella play recently. Seems to be talked up as one of the better young players going around. Hopefully he is committed to NZ!
He will be the family is fully entrenched in NZ
He is a talented one who could burst into international Cricket at a young age.Up and coming youngsters won't get a decent shot with stars like Bracewell blocking their way
He is too young yet anyway,Probably 3 years away yet, I have consistently said Bracewell is not a test player.
Bracewell will be found out time and time again until he is dropped in the end.I’m actually shocked and disgusted that Bracewell has taken just the 45 first class wickets……in 102 matches !!!!!! Those are the figures of a part timer at absolute best ie someone who is comfortable batting in the top six ( which is not him )
Santner with 87 in 57 matches looks like Warnie or Murali in comparison.
@MN5 said in Black Caps v England:
@Chris said in Black Caps v England:
@canefan said in Black Caps v England:
@Chris said in Black Caps v England:
@Crazy-Horse said in Black Caps v England:
@Chris said in Black Caps v England:
@Chris-B said in Black Caps v England:
Bright debut for Muhammad Abbas who has big raps on him.
Should be useful in two or three years.
Yes I know his Dad Azhar I Have done some coaching with him in Auckland back in 2011/12.Muhammad was a we pup following dad around back then he must have been 7 or 8.
Good pedigree he will be an International going forward he showed natural talent back then at that young age.I was about to ask you if you have seen this fella play recently. Seems to be talked up as one of the better young players going around. Hopefully he is committed to NZ!
He will be the family is fully entrenched in NZ
He is a talented one who could burst into international Cricket at a young age.Up and coming youngsters won't get a decent shot with stars like Bracewell blocking their way
He is too young yet anyway,Probably 3 years away yet, I have consistently said Bracewell is not a test player.
Bracewell will be found out time and time again until he is dropped in the end.I’m actually shocked and disgusted that Bracewell has taken just the 45 first class wickets……in 102 matches !!!!!! Those are the figures of a part timer at absolute best ie someone who is comfortable batting in the top six ( which is not him )
Santner with 87 in 57 matches looks like Warnie or Murali in comparison.
Satnav must feel quite miffed
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@MN5 said in Black Caps v England:
@Chris said in Black Caps v England:
@canefan said in Black Caps v England:
@Chris said in Black Caps v England:
@Crazy-Horse said in Black Caps v England:
@Chris said in Black Caps v England:
@Chris-B said in Black Caps v England:
Bright debut for Muhammad Abbas who has big raps on him.
Should be useful in two or three years.
Yes I know his Dad Azhar I Have done some coaching with him in Auckland back in 2011/12.Muhammad was a we pup following dad around back then he must have been 7 or 8.
Good pedigree he will be an International going forward he showed natural talent back then at that young age.I was about to ask you if you have seen this fella play recently. Seems to be talked up as one of the better young players going around. Hopefully he is committed to NZ!
He will be the family is fully entrenched in NZ
He is a talented one who could burst into international Cricket at a young age.Up and coming youngsters won't get a decent shot with stars like Bracewell blocking their way
He is too young yet anyway,Probably 3 years away yet, I have consistently said Bracewell is not a test player.
Bracewell will be found out time and time again until he is dropped in the end.I’m actually shocked and disgusted that Bracewell has taken just the 45 first class wickets……in 102 matches !!!!!! Those are the figures of a part timer at absolute best ie someone who is comfortable batting in the top six ( which is not him )
Santner with 87 in 57 matches looks like Warnie or Murali in comparison.
Satnav must feel quite miffed
@canefan said in Black Caps v England:
@MN5 said in Black Caps v England:
@Chris said in Black Caps v England:
@canefan said in Black Caps v England:
@Chris said in Black Caps v England:
@Crazy-Horse said in Black Caps v England:
@Chris said in Black Caps v England:
@Chris-B said in Black Caps v England:
Bright debut for Muhammad Abbas who has big raps on him.
Should be useful in two or three years.
Yes I know his Dad Azhar I Have done some coaching with him in Auckland back in 2011/12.Muhammad was a we pup following dad around back then he must have been 7 or 8.
Good pedigree he will be an International going forward he showed natural talent back then at that young age.I was about to ask you if you have seen this fella play recently. Seems to be talked up as one of the better young players going around. Hopefully he is committed to NZ!
He will be the family is fully entrenched in NZ
He is a talented one who could burst into international Cricket at a young age.Up and coming youngsters won't get a decent shot with stars like Bracewell blocking their way
He is too young yet anyway,Probably 3 years away yet, I have consistently said Bracewell is not a test player.
Bracewell will be found out time and time again until he is dropped in the end.I’m actually shocked and disgusted that Bracewell has taken just the 45 first class wickets……in 102 matches !!!!!! Those are the figures of a part timer at absolute best ie someone who is comfortable batting in the top six ( which is not him )
Santner with 87 in 57 matches looks like Warnie or Murali in comparison.
Satnav must feel quite miffed
I think the respective figures show Bracewell is a slightly better batsman but Santner is a better bowler by a bigger margin……which is predominantly what a guy batting 8 should be ( bowler first, batsman second )
Just a waste of a selection.
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@Chris said in Black Caps v England:
@canefan said in Black Caps v England:
@Chris said in Black Caps v England:
@Crazy-Horse said in Black Caps v England:
@Chris said in Black Caps v England:
@Chris-B said in Black Caps v England:
Bright debut for Muhammad Abbas who has big raps on him.
Should be useful in two or three years.
Yes I know his Dad Azhar I Have done some coaching with him in Auckland back in 2011/12.Muhammad was a we pup following dad around back then he must have been 7 or 8.
Good pedigree he will be an International going forward he showed natural talent back then at that young age.I was about to ask you if you have seen this fella play recently. Seems to be talked up as one of the better young players going around. Hopefully he is committed to NZ!
He will be the family is fully entrenched in NZ
He is a talented one who could burst into international Cricket at a young age.Up and coming youngsters won't get a decent shot with stars like Bracewell blocking their way
He is too young yet anyway,Probably 3 years away yet, I have consistently said Bracewell is not a test player.
Bracewell will be found out time and time again until he is dropped in the end.I’m actually shocked and disgusted that Bracewell has taken just the 45 first class wickets……in 102 matches !!!!!! Those are the figures of a part timer at absolute best ie someone who is comfortable batting in the top six ( which is not him )
Santner with 87 in 57 matches looks like Warnie or Murali in comparison.
@MN5 said in Black Caps v England:
@Chris said in Black Caps v England:
@canefan said in Black Caps v England:
@Chris said in Black Caps v England:
@Crazy-Horse said in Black Caps v England:
@Chris said in Black Caps v England:
@Chris-B said in Black Caps v England:
Bright debut for Muhammad Abbas who has big raps on him.
Should be useful in two or three years.
Yes I know his Dad Azhar I Have done some coaching with him in Auckland back in 2011/12.Muhammad was a we pup following dad around back then he must have been 7 or 8.
Good pedigree he will be an International going forward he showed natural talent back then at that young age.I was about to ask you if you have seen this fella play recently. Seems to be talked up as one of the better young players going around. Hopefully he is committed to NZ!
He will be the family is fully entrenched in NZ
He is a talented one who could burst into international Cricket at a young age.Up and coming youngsters won't get a decent shot with stars like Bracewell blocking their way
He is too young yet anyway,Probably 3 years away yet, I have consistently said Bracewell is not a test player.
Bracewell will be found out time and time again until he is dropped in the end.I’m actually shocked and disgusted that Bracewell has taken just the 45 first class wickets……in 102 matches !!!!!! Those are the figures of a part timer at absolute best ie someone who is comfortable batting in the top six ( which is not him )
Santner with 87 in 57 matches looks like Warnie or Murali in comparison.
The Selector's and Captain seem to have a love affair with Bracewell being selected and I sure don't see the attraction .
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@canefan said in Black Caps v England:
@MN5 said in Black Caps v England:
@Chris said in Black Caps v England:
@canefan said in Black Caps v England:
@Chris said in Black Caps v England:
@Crazy-Horse said in Black Caps v England:
@Chris said in Black Caps v England:
@Chris-B said in Black Caps v England:
Bright debut for Muhammad Abbas who has big raps on him.
Should be useful in two or three years.
Yes I know his Dad Azhar I Have done some coaching with him in Auckland back in 2011/12.Muhammad was a we pup following dad around back then he must have been 7 or 8.
Good pedigree he will be an International going forward he showed natural talent back then at that young age.I was about to ask you if you have seen this fella play recently. Seems to be talked up as one of the better young players going around. Hopefully he is committed to NZ!
He will be the family is fully entrenched in NZ
He is a talented one who could burst into international Cricket at a young age.Up and coming youngsters won't get a decent shot with stars like Bracewell blocking their way
He is too young yet anyway,Probably 3 years away yet, I have consistently said Bracewell is not a test player.
Bracewell will be found out time and time again until he is dropped in the end.I’m actually shocked and disgusted that Bracewell has taken just the 45 first class wickets……in 102 matches !!!!!! Those are the figures of a part timer at absolute best ie someone who is comfortable batting in the top six ( which is not him )
Santner with 87 in 57 matches looks like Warnie or Murali in comparison.
Satnav must feel quite miffed
I think the respective figures show Bracewell is a slightly better batsman but Santner is a better bowler by a bigger margin……which is predominantly what a guy batting 8 should be ( bowler first, batsman second )
Just a waste of a selection.
@MN5 said in Black Caps v England:
@canefan said in Black Caps v England:
@MN5 said in Black Caps v England:
@Chris said in Black Caps v England:
@canefan said in Black Caps v England:
@Chris said in Black Caps v England:
@Crazy-Horse said in Black Caps v England:
@Chris said in Black Caps v England:
@Chris-B said in Black Caps v England:
Bright debut for Muhammad Abbas who has big raps on him.
Should be useful in two or three years.
Yes I know his Dad Azhar I Have done some coaching with him in Auckland back in 2011/12.Muhammad was a we pup following dad around back then he must have been 7 or 8.
Good pedigree he will be an International going forward he showed natural talent back then at that young age.I was about to ask you if you have seen this fella play recently. Seems to be talked up as one of the better young players going around. Hopefully he is committed to NZ!
He will be the family is fully entrenched in NZ
He is a talented one who could burst into international Cricket at a young age.Up and coming youngsters won't get a decent shot with stars like Bracewell blocking their way
He is too young yet anyway,Probably 3 years away yet, I have consistently said Bracewell is not a test player.
Bracewell will be found out time and time again until he is dropped in the end.I’m actually shocked and disgusted that Bracewell has taken just the 45 first class wickets……in 102 matches !!!!!! Those are the figures of a part timer at absolute best ie someone who is comfortable batting in the top six ( which is not him )
Santner with 87 in 57 matches looks like Warnie or Murali in comparison.
Satnav must feel quite miffed
I think the respective figures show Bracewell is a slightly better batsman but Santner is a better bowler by a bigger stretch……which is predominantly what a guy batting 8 should be ( bowler first, batsman second )
Just a waste of a selection.
Whoever keeps picking him needs to give themselves an uppercut. He is the symbol of our reduced effectiveness, last game heroics aside
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@canefan said in Black Caps v England:
@MN5 said in Black Caps v England:
@Chris said in Black Caps v England:
@canefan said in Black Caps v England:
@Chris said in Black Caps v England:
@Crazy-Horse said in Black Caps v England:
@Chris said in Black Caps v England:
@Chris-B said in Black Caps v England:
Bright debut for Muhammad Abbas who has big raps on him.
Should be useful in two or three years.
Yes I know his Dad Azhar I Have done some coaching with him in Auckland back in 2011/12.Muhammad was a we pup following dad around back then he must have been 7 or 8.
Good pedigree he will be an International going forward he showed natural talent back then at that young age.I was about to ask you if you have seen this fella play recently. Seems to be talked up as one of the better young players going around. Hopefully he is committed to NZ!
He will be the family is fully entrenched in NZ
He is a talented one who could burst into international Cricket at a young age.Up and coming youngsters won't get a decent shot with stars like Bracewell blocking their way
He is too young yet anyway,Probably 3 years away yet, I have consistently said Bracewell is not a test player.
Bracewell will be found out time and time again until he is dropped in the end.I’m actually shocked and disgusted that Bracewell has taken just the 45 first class wickets……in 102 matches !!!!!! Those are the figures of a part timer at absolute best ie someone who is comfortable batting in the top six ( which is not him )
Santner with 87 in 57 matches looks like Warnie or Murali in comparison.
Satnav must feel quite miffed
I think the respective figures show Bracewell is a slightly better batsman but Santner is a better bowler by a bigger margin……which is predominantly what a guy batting 8 should be ( bowler first, batsman second )
Just a waste of a selection.
@MN5 said in Black Caps v England:
@canefan said in Black Caps v England:
@MN5 said in Black Caps v England:
@Chris said in Black Caps v England:
@canefan said in Black Caps v England:
@Chris said in Black Caps v England:
@Crazy-Horse said in Black Caps v England:
@Chris said in Black Caps v England:
@Chris-B said in Black Caps v England:
Bright debut for Muhammad Abbas who has big raps on him.
Should be useful in two or three years.
Yes I know his Dad Azhar I Have done some coaching with him in Auckland back in 2011/12.Muhammad was a we pup following dad around back then he must have been 7 or 8.
Good pedigree he will be an International going forward he showed natural talent back then at that young age.I was about to ask you if you have seen this fella play recently. Seems to be talked up as one of the better young players going around. Hopefully he is committed to NZ!
He will be the family is fully entrenched in NZ
He is a talented one who could burst into international Cricket at a young age.Up and coming youngsters won't get a decent shot with stars like Bracewell blocking their way
He is too young yet anyway,Probably 3 years away yet, I have consistently said Bracewell is not a test player.
Bracewell will be found out time and time again until he is dropped in the end.I’m actually shocked and disgusted that Bracewell has taken just the 45 first class wickets……in 102 matches !!!!!! Those are the figures of a part timer at absolute best ie someone who is comfortable batting in the top six ( which is not him )
Santner with 87 in 57 matches looks like Warnie or Murali in comparison.
Satnav must feel quite miffed
I think the respective figures show Bracewell is a slightly better batsman but Santner is a better bowler by a bigger margin……which is predominantly what a guy batting 8 should be ( bowler first, batsman second )
Just a waste of a selection.
I would back Satnner to score more runs in Test Cricket he is a little different but is smart enough to find a way to score runs.
Bracewell can not read any sort of spin bowling at all.
He mis read the googley,top spinner and the doosra all through the Pakistan series and had no idea Leach was a left-arm orthodox bowler. -
@MN5 said in Black Caps v England:
@canefan said in Black Caps v England:
@MN5 said in Black Caps v England:
@Chris said in Black Caps v England:
@canefan said in Black Caps v England:
@Chris said in Black Caps v England:
@Crazy-Horse said in Black Caps v England:
@Chris said in Black Caps v England:
@Chris-B said in Black Caps v England:
Bright debut for Muhammad Abbas who has big raps on him.
Should be useful in two or three years.
Yes I know his Dad Azhar I Have done some coaching with him in Auckland back in 2011/12.Muhammad was a we pup following dad around back then he must have been 7 or 8.
Good pedigree he will be an International going forward he showed natural talent back then at that young age.I was about to ask you if you have seen this fella play recently. Seems to be talked up as one of the better young players going around. Hopefully he is committed to NZ!
He will be the family is fully entrenched in NZ
He is a talented one who could burst into international Cricket at a young age.Up and coming youngsters won't get a decent shot with stars like Bracewell blocking their way
He is too young yet anyway,Probably 3 years away yet, I have consistently said Bracewell is not a test player.
Bracewell will be found out time and time again until he is dropped in the end.I’m actually shocked and disgusted that Bracewell has taken just the 45 first class wickets……in 102 matches !!!!!! Those are the figures of a part timer at absolute best ie someone who is comfortable batting in the top six ( which is not him )
Santner with 87 in 57 matches looks like Warnie or Murali in comparison.
Satnav must feel quite miffed
I think the respective figures show Bracewell is a slightly better batsman but Santner is a better bowler by a bigger margin……which is predominantly what a guy batting 8 should be ( bowler first, batsman second )
Just a waste of a selection.
I would back Satnner to score more runs in Test Cricket he is a little different but is smart enough to find a way to score runs.
Bracewell can not read any sort of spin bowling at all.
He mis read the googley,top spinner and the doosra all through the Pakistan series and had no idea Leach was a left-arm orthodox bowler. -
Since Vettori has retired there seems to have been so many guys who can hold a bat but not actually spin the ball effectively……in no particular order Mark Craig, Will Somerville, Santner, Bracewell, Sodhi……have I missed any ?
Part rounders at best, all of them.
The one who took ten wickets in a single innings got dropped for Bracewell for crying out loud.
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Since Vettori has retired there seems to have been so many guys who can hold a bat but not actually spin the ball effectively……in no particular order Mark Craig, Will Somerville, Santner, Bracewell, Sodhi……have I missed any ?
Part rounders at best, all of them.
The one who took ten wickets in a single innings got dropped for Bracewell for crying out loud.
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@ARHS said in Black Caps v England:
@MN5 said in Black Caps v England:
have I missed any ?
Ravindra Astle McConchie. Kitchen?
More of a batsman who bowls a bit
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@ARHS said in Black Caps v England:
@MN5 said in Black Caps v England:
have I missed any ?
Ravindra Astle McConchie. Kitchen?
More of a batsman who bowls a bit
@MN5 said in Black Caps v England:
@ARHS said in Black Caps v England:
@MN5 said in Black Caps v England:
have I missed any ?
Ravindra Astle McConchie. Kitchen?
More of a batsman who bowls a bit
Better than a part time bowler that doesn't bat well.
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@ARHS said in Black Caps v England:
@MN5 said in Black Caps v England:
have I missed any ?
Ravindra Astle McConchie. Kitchen?
More of a batsman who bowls a bit
@MN5 said in Black Caps v England:
@ARHS said in Black Caps v England:
@MN5 said in Black Caps v England:
have I missed any ?
Ravindra Astle McConchie. Kitchen?
More of a batsman who bowls a bit
Hmm I thought I was comparing to Michael Bracewell... Ravindra was same genre tried earlier and discarded.
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Just a quick review of the test the other day.
Not sure if making sense, coz wine ... but ...
Loved the result.
Loves Wags.
Am taking the win.
The team playing the better cricket won.
But ...
England lost that.
Ha-fucking ha. And absolutely no sympathy.
But how many wickets did we create?
How many wickets were their idiots hitting out and holing out to the out field?
Just left a little less satisfied as we didn't blast/nick them out.
But more than happy that we played the cleverer cricket.
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@canefan said in Black Caps v England:
@MN5 said in Black Caps v England:
@Chris said in Black Caps v England:
@canefan said in Black Caps v England:
@Chris said in Black Caps v England:
@Crazy-Horse said in Black Caps v England:
@Chris said in Black Caps v England:
@Chris-B said in Black Caps v England:
Bright debut for Muhammad Abbas who has big raps on him.
Should be useful in two or three years.
Yes I know his Dad Azhar I Have done some coaching with him in Auckland back in 2011/12.Muhammad was a we pup following dad around back then he must have been 7 or 8.
Good pedigree he will be an International going forward he showed natural talent back then at that young age.I was about to ask you if you have seen this fella play recently. Seems to be talked up as one of the better young players going around. Hopefully he is committed to NZ!
He will be the family is fully entrenched in NZ
He is a talented one who could burst into international Cricket at a young age.Up and coming youngsters won't get a decent shot with stars like Bracewell blocking their way
He is too young yet anyway,Probably 3 years away yet, I have consistently said Bracewell is not a test player.
Bracewell will be found out time and time again until he is dropped in the end.I’m actually shocked and disgusted that Bracewell has taken just the 45 first class wickets……in 102 matches !!!!!! Those are the figures of a part timer at absolute best ie someone who is comfortable batting in the top six ( which is not him )
Santner with 87 in 57 matches looks like Warnie or Murali in comparison.
Satnav must feel quite miffed
I think the respective figures show Bracewell is a slightly better batsman but Santner is a better bowler by a bigger margin……which is predominantly what a guy batting 8 should be ( bowler first, batsman second )
Just a waste of a selection.
@MN5 said in Black Caps v England:
@canefan said in Black Caps v England:
@MN5 said in Black Caps v England:
@Chris said in Black Caps v England:
@canefan said in Black Caps v England:
@Chris said in Black Caps v England:
@Crazy-Horse said in Black Caps v England:
@Chris said in Black Caps v England:
@Chris-B said in Black Caps v England:
Bright debut for Muhammad Abbas who has big raps on him.
Should be useful in two or three years.
Yes I know his Dad Azhar I Have done some coaching with him in Auckland back in 2011/12.Muhammad was a we pup following dad around back then he must have been 7 or 8.
Good pedigree he will be an International going forward he showed natural talent back then at that young age.I was about to ask you if you have seen this fella play recently. Seems to be talked up as one of the better young players going around. Hopefully he is committed to NZ!
He will be the family is fully entrenched in NZ
He is a talented one who could burst into international Cricket at a young age.Up and coming youngsters won't get a decent shot with stars like Bracewell blocking their way
He is too young yet anyway,Probably 3 years away yet, I have consistently said Bracewell is not a test player.
Bracewell will be found out time and time again until he is dropped in the end.I’m actually shocked and disgusted that Bracewell has taken just the 45 first class wickets……in 102 matches !!!!!! Those are the figures of a part timer at absolute best ie someone who is comfortable batting in the top six ( which is not him )
Santner with 87 in 57 matches looks like Warnie or Murali in comparison.
Satnav must feel quite miffed
I think the respective figures show Bracewell is a slightly better batsman but Santner is a better bowler by a bigger margin……which is predominantly what a guy batting 8 should be ( bowler first, batsman second )
Just a waste of a selection.
My knock on Santner was that he isn't a very effective wicket taking test bowler. So we go and pick a guy who is worse, and is a lesser batter than his domestic record suggests. God help us
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I think a case could be reasonably made for swapping Bracewell for Sodhi, but after a win like that I think the question marks about the balance of the side, or Young & Nicholls all have to be set aside for another game.
And maybe even Bracewell gets the mental boost of the win, and the now relatively safe kick up the backside of that poor running, given they got away with it on the scoresheet. As much as a few of us were (rightly!) furious about that running, I suspect he's still more gutted about it than anyone...
If I was in the hot seat I suspect I'd think long and hard and eventually pick Sodhi at 8, but I don't think that is the style of Stead and Southee.
Joys of one run or one point in sport. Had it been a one wicket loss...! I've occasionally wondered how NZ rugby history would have gone had 2011 finished up 7 - 8 at Eden Park instead.
@Donsteppa said in Black Caps v England:
Joys of one run or one point in sport. Had it been a one wicket loss...! I've occasionally wondered how NZ rugby history would have gone had 2011 finished up 7 - 8 at Eden Park instead.
Or if Merths' late droppie in 1995 had gone over...
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@Donsteppa said in Black Caps v England:
Joys of one run or one point in sport. Had it been a one wicket loss...! I've occasionally wondered how NZ rugby history would have gone had 2011 finished up 7 - 8 at Eden Park instead.
Or if Merths' late droppie in 1995 had gone over...
@TeWaio said in Black Caps v England:
@Donsteppa said in Black Caps v England:
Joys of one run or one point in sport. Had it been a one wicket loss...! I've occasionally wondered how NZ rugby history would have gone had 2011 finished up 7 - 8 at Eden Park instead.
Or if Merths' late droppie in 1995 had gone over...
or if Mils try in the corner was awarded
