Rugby World Cup general discussion
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when it came to the crunch we played pretty narrow as well. See the previous chats about our midfielders playing straight and close, and then wingers making most of their runs around the fringes.
@mariner4life yeah I do think for whatever reason, Fozzie had a plan, and it was centered on the RWC, but wonder if some of the changes were made too late for them to bed in as instinct when under pressure.
Too often under Fozzies reign we have panicked when the heat came on, and this happened on the weekend.
This year has been a mixed bag of performances from us, and there have been subtle improvements, but not enough time for whatbthey were trying to achieve to bed in.
But then you wonder how much impact Schmidt and Ryan have had on things too.
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BB has made every team of the tournament I have seen but never found universal favour on this forum.
@Billy-Tell said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
BB has made every team of the tournament I have seen but never found universal favour on this forum.
He's better than he's been rated on here. I think it's mix of comparing him to his previous highs, him being blamed for obvious team tactics and a few posters seem to really dislike him
Like RM he had too many error's offsetting the good stuff in the final. Thought he played well in QF & SF.
Somewhere between OK and goodish for the tournament. Not worthy of the negativity or a place in the team of the tournament -
@mariner4life yeah I do think for whatever reason, Fozzie had a plan, and it was centered on the RWC, but wonder if some of the changes were made too late for them to bed in as instinct when under pressure.
Too often under Fozzies reign we have panicked when the heat came on, and this happened on the weekend.
This year has been a mixed bag of performances from us, and there have been subtle improvements, but not enough time for whatbthey were trying to achieve to bed in.
But then you wonder how much impact Schmidt and Ryan have had on things too.
@taniwharugby said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
@mariner4life yeah I do think for whatever reason, Fozzie had a plan, and it was centered on the RWC, but wonder if some of the changes were made too late for them to bed in as instinct when under pressure.
Too often under Fozzies reign we have panicked when the heat came on, and this happened on the weekend.
This year has been a mixed bag of performances from us, and there have been subtle improvements, but not enough time for whatbthey were trying to achieve to bed in.
But then you wonder how much impact Schmidt and Ryan have had on things too.
We never really settled on a consistent playing style. I don't know why that is but as HC Foster should have set that
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https://twitter.com/maanomadima/status/1718578252187365686
Well this is a perfect fucking summary of what happened in this tournament. Flats is a top journalist / pundit. I hated thinking he was right the first time I saw this, I wanted France or Ireland to go all the way (I never thought we had a chance), but fuck me the simplicity of this message is perfect
@Dodge said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
https://twitter.com/maanomadima/status/1718578252187365686
Well this is a perfect fucking summary of what happened in this tournament. Flats is a top journalist / pundit. I hated thinking he was right the first time I saw this, I wanted France or Ireland to go all the way (I never thought we had a chance), but fuck me the simplicity of this message is perfect
It’s funny though eh?
I also picked SA to win the whole thing a couple of months ago. For all the same reasons, knockout rugby, kick goals from 60m, solid defense blah blah blah
And yet, we were a solitary point off them in a game where absolutely nothing went right for us. We dropped ball stone cold (Jordan, ALB, Richie), threw a bunch of sloppy passes, inexplicably stopped contesting line outs, had a try disallowed, got the short-end of the stick from the officials (most believe) but either way had to play with 14 for 60mins, and we missed 2 kicks to give us a lead that we could potentially have defended
It kind of raises 2 questions/observations.
- Were SA actually as good as we are all making out?
And
- Ireland must have watched that performance from both SA and NZ thought “what if”
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https://twitter.com/maanomadima/status/1718578252187365686
Well this is a perfect fucking summary of what happened in this tournament. Flats is a top journalist / pundit. I hated thinking he was right the first time I saw this, I wanted France or Ireland to go all the way (I never thought we had a chance), but fuck me the simplicity of this message is perfect
@Dodge said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
https://twitter.com/maanomadima/status/1718578252187365686
Well this is a perfect fucking summary of what happened in this tournament. Flats is a top journalist / pundit. I hated thinking he was right the first time I saw this, I wanted France or Ireland to go all the way (I never thought we had a chance), but fuck me the simplicity of this message is perfect
Maybe, but I loved the twitter replies
1 guy who has never been afraid to speak against the noise. He openly said in January already that Sputh Africa has such a dangerously good talent pipeline, if we retain Rassie then we will dominate for years.
Only IRB changing rules to rugby league will stop our dominance -
@Dodge said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
https://twitter.com/maanomadima/status/1718578252187365686
Well this is a perfect fucking summary of what happened in this tournament. Flats is a top journalist / pundit. I hated thinking he was right the first time I saw this, I wanted France or Ireland to go all the way (I never thought we had a chance), but fuck me the simplicity of this message is perfect
It’s funny though eh?
I also picked SA to win the whole thing a couple of months ago. For all the same reasons, knockout rugby, kick goals from 60m, solid defense blah blah blah
And yet, we were a solitary point off them in a game where absolutely nothing went right for us. We dropped ball stone cold (Jordan, ALB, Richie), threw a bunch of sloppy passes, inexplicably stopped contesting line outs, had a try disallowed, got the short-end of the stick from the officials (most believe) but either way had to play with 14 for 60mins, and we missed 2 kicks to give us a lead that we could potentially have defended
It kind of raises 2 questions/observations.
- Were SA actually as good as we are all making out?
And
- Ireland must have watched that performance from both SA and NZ thought “what if”
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@voodoo we're better than some want to admit
Ireland have no idea what the pressure of a RWC final does. They had their shot and we beat them
The final rammed home that there is absolutely nothing between the top 4 sides,
@mariner4life said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
@voodoo we're better than some want to admit
Ireland have no idea what the pressure of a RWC final does. They had their shot and we beat them
The final rammed home that there is absolutely nothing between the top 4 sides,
I'm increasingly convinced that our tactics on the day were a significant contributor to us not winning. If Razor can fix that, we will be dangerous
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https://twitter.com/maanomadima/status/1718578252187365686
Well this is a perfect fucking summary of what happened in this tournament. Flats is a top journalist / pundit. I hated thinking he was right the first time I saw this, I wanted France or Ireland to go all the way (I never thought we had a chance), but fuck me the simplicity of this message is perfect
@Dodge said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
https://twitter.com/maanomadima/status/1718578252187365686
Well this is a perfect fucking summary of what happened in this tournament. Flats is a top journalist / pundit. I hated thinking he was right the first time I saw this, I wanted France or Ireland to go all the way (I never thought we had a chance), but fuck me the simplicity of this message is perfect
Hopefully by the next RWC cycle Pougach will be fucking put out to pasture and Flats will be running the show
He's brilliant
And funny as fuck too
If you have a chance to see him live, do it
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Um if SA coaches were so brilliant tactically, shouldn't they have picked Pollard at the start? (Yeah, yeah, Rassie points to trophies on the wall as answer)...
@nostrildamus said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
Um if SA coaches were so brilliant tactically, shouldn't they have picked Pollard at the start? (Yeah, yeah, Rassie points to trophies on the wall as answer)...
Pollard wasn't originally picked in the squad because at the time of selection he was out injured and had been for some time. And the Boks have a policy* of not picking injured players
Same went for Am and Lood de Jager.
They were though all placed on the standby list.You could argue Kolisi was the exception. But by some miracle, he came back from knee surgery and was able to play a bit just before squad selection.
*Note: the actual policy I know of is that if you are not fit enough to train on the Monday, you don't get picked for the weekend.
Cases in point would be Vincent Koch not making it to this final, and in the 2019 edition, Cheslin Kolbe not playing in the Semi-final. -
We've had 9 world cups, but only 8 captains, has someone died? Nope, it's just the
double Captain power!@Machpants said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
We've had
910 world cups, but only 8 captains, has someone died? Nope, it's just the 2 x double Captain power!Freshened up your post for you.
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@Machpants said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
We've had
910 world cups, but only 8 captains, has someone died? Nope, it's just the 2 x double Captain power!Freshened up your post for you.
Nice thing is that photo will last until 2027 too.@Billy-Webb said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
@Machpants said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
We've had
910 world cups, but only 8 captains, has someone died? Nope, it's just the 2 x double Captain power!Freshened up your post for you.
Nice thing is that photo will last until 2027 too.How thoughtful and generous of you! Try not to dwell on the new potential horror that Tom Foley the TMO can call back a play no matter how many phases (days ago) it was!
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@Billy-Webb said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
@Machpants said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
We've had
910 world cups, but only 8 captains, has someone died? Nope, it's just the 2 x double Captain power!Freshened up your post for you.
Nice thing is that photo will last until 2027 too.How thoughtful and generous of you! Try not to dwell on the new potential horror that Tom Foley the TMO can call back a play no matter how many phases (days ago) it was!
@nostrildamus said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
@Billy-Webb said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
@Machpants said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
We've had
910 world cups, but only 8 captains, has someone died? Nope, it's just the 2 x double Captain power!Freshened up your post for you.
Nice thing is that photo will last until 2027 too.How thoughtful and generous of you! Try not to dwell on the new potential horror that Tom Foley the TMO can call back a play no matter how many phases (days ago) it was!
TMO’s are a blight on the game.
Imagine having that power and not going back to penalize the 97 Lions’ scrum right off Newlands in the first test and award both Russell Bennett’s tries that were wrongly called back for forward passes.
Sort Bill Youngs out while you’re at it. Cowards.
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It would be good to see stats for the number of shit kicks per game. Pretty sure England would top that list too
@Catogrande said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
It would be good to see stats for the number of shit kicks per game. Pretty sure England would top that list too
On an absolute basis, maybe.
But plenty of supposedly attacking teams put up a huge number of ale-house balls. back & midBarrett, Mounga and Jordan all hoofed and hoped with overlaps in the final.
And Kriel’s worst play of the RWC was his shocking effort after Kwagga’s turnover.
I was many beers in but I also vaguely recall one of the Irish players putting up a nothing kick right at the death when he had space to exploit. You could almost see his gears stripping as he tried and failed to come up with anything better to do. Pressure’s a bastard.
It’s a long while ago now but Scotland probably were the worst wasters of good attacking ball with low percentage kicks.
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@Catogrande said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
It would be good to see stats for the number of shit kicks per game. Pretty sure England would top that list too
On an absolute basis, maybe.
But plenty of supposedly attacking teams put up a huge number of ale-house balls. back & midBarrett, Mounga and Jordan all hoofed and hoped with overlaps in the final.
And Kriel’s worst play of the RWC was his shocking effort after Kwagga’s turnover.
I was many beers in but I also vaguely recall one of the Irish players putting up a nothing kick right at the death when he had space to exploit. You could almost see his gears stripping as he tried and failed to come up with anything better to do. Pressure’s a bastard.
It’s a long while ago now but Scotland probably were the worst wasters of good attacking ball with low percentage kicks.
@Smuts Some stand outs there for sure but when we're talking sheer weight of numbers...
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@Bones said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
I think a better stat would be "kicks per minute of possession".
After all, if your opposition isn't going to kick it back to you, or there are a lot of stoppages, you're unlikely to have the same opportunity to kick.
I saw this stat before the Semifinal and it was quite low for the Boks BUT also need to keep in mind that, in their pools:
- Running over Romania meant less kicking and much more dead time due to tries and conversions.
- Smashing Tonga (17 kicks per game mind) meant less kicking
- Ireland and Scotland played high-possession rugby, so the Boks have less time or inclination to kick.
Context.
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@Bones said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
I think a better stat would be "kicks per minute of possession".
After all, if your opposition isn't going to kick it back to you, or there are a lot of stoppages, you're unlikely to have the same opportunity to kick.
I saw this stat before the Semifinal and it was quite low for the Boks BUT also need to keep in mind that, in their pools:
- Running over Romania meant less kicking and much more dead time due to tries and conversions.
- Smashing Tonga (17 kicks per game mind) meant less kicking
- Ireland and Scotland played high-possession rugby, so the Boks have less time or inclination to kick.
Context.
All good points but you’re not denying us our moment of glory. We are top of the table. It’s a matter of record.
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Interestingly if you asked the casual observer who were the most exciting teams to watch in the RWC then many would say NZ, France, Portugal
And all 3 are in the top 6 of kicking
Context is everything
