Rugby World Cup general discussion
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Aussies playing the long game... knowing he'll do it again at some point during pool matches, and then get banned for all knockout stages.
@Kruse Obviously the RFU selectors need to put down their gin and tonics and weigh up the risks of the inevitability of his somewhat clumsy tackling technique happening yet again at the Webb Ellis Trophy. Clearly they need to factor in the points scored he may contribute toward against those the team concedes when they are a man down, but they are probably too pig headed to admit this.
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I just re-watched the tackle and this decision makes even less sense now. I swear we are watching a different incident
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@Bovidae said in Rugby World Cup news:
Tonga should immediately appeal Moala's ban.
I don't know what I expected to see when I saw the clip of Moala - to warrant the 5 week ban I expected he stabbed someone on the field.
How can these two decisions come out around the same time?
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@Bovidae said in Rugby World Cup news:
Tonga should immediately appeal Moala's ban.
I don't know what I expected to see when I saw the clip of Moala - to warrant the 5 week ban I expected he stabbed someone on the field.
How can these two decisions come out around the same time?
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@Bovidae said in Rugby World Cup news:
Tonga should immediately appeal Moala's ban.
I don't know what I expected to see when I saw the clip of Moala - to warrant the 5 week ban I expected he stabbed someone on the field.
How can these two decisions come out around the same time?
@Nepia said in Rugby World Cup news:
@Bovidae said in Rugby World Cup news:
Tonga should immediately appeal Moala's ban.
I don't know what I expected to see when I saw the clip of Moala - to warrant the 10 week ban I expected he stabbed someone on the field.
How can these two decisions come out around the same time?
yeah...its mad, looks like the guy lands first on his shoulder too so yes...dangerous, should be punished....but 10 weeks?!?
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@Nepia said in Rugby World Cup news:
@Bovidae said in Rugby World Cup news:
Tonga should immediately appeal Moala's ban.
I don't know what I expected to see when I saw the clip of Moala - to warrant the 10 week ban I expected he stabbed someone on the field.
How can these two decisions come out around the same time?
yeah...its mad, looks like the guy lands first on his shoulder too so yes...dangerous, should be punished....but 10 weeks?!?
@Kiwiwomble said in Rugby World Cup news:
@Nepia said in Rugby World Cup news:
@Bovidae said in Rugby World Cup news:
Tonga should immediately appeal Moala's ban.
I don't know what I expected to see when I saw the clip of Moala - to warrant the 10 week ban I expected he stabbed someone on the field.
How can these two decisions come out around the same time?
yeah...its mad, looks like the guy lands first on his shoulder too so yes...dangerous, should be punished....but 10 weeks?!?
I'm confused how a mid range sanction was 10 weeks too (despite being then mitigated down to 5 weeks).
I don't even think an Authoritarian dictator could come up with such an idiotic judicial system.
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@Bovidae said in Rugby World Cup news:
Tonga should immediately appeal Moala's ban.
I don't know what I expected to see when I saw the clip of Moala - to warrant the 5 week ban I expected he stabbed someone on the field.
How can these two decisions come out around the same time?
@Nepia said in Rugby World Cup news:
@Bovidae said in Rugby World Cup news:
Tonga should immediately appeal Moala's ban.
I don't know what I expected to see when I saw the clip of Moala - to warrant the 5 week ban I expected he stabbed someone on the field.
How can these two decisions come out around the same time?
I agree, but as I said, it made by 2 different judiciary boards. How many times have we looked at sentences in a law court and said what the f***? It is frustrating I know but it happens all the time!
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@Nepia said in Rugby World Cup news:
@Bovidae said in Rugby World Cup news:
Tonga should immediately appeal Moala's ban.
I don't know what I expected to see when I saw the clip of Moala - to warrant the 5 week ban I expected he stabbed someone on the field.
How can these two decisions come out around the same time?
I agree, but as I said, it made by 2 different judiciary boards. How many times have we looked at sentences in a law court and said what the f***? It is frustrating I know but it happens all the time!
@Dan54 said in Rugby World Cup news:
@Nepia said in Rugby World Cup news:
@Bovidae said in Rugby World Cup news:
Tonga should immediately appeal Moala's ban.
I don't know what I expected to see when I saw the clip of Moala - to warrant the 5 week ban I expected he stabbed someone on the field.
How can these two decisions come out around the same time?
I agree, but as I said, it made by 2 different judiciary boards. How many times have we looked at sentences in a law court and said what the f***? It is frustrating I know but it happens all the time!
Dan you are bending over backwards to make excuses for these guys. It's so much easier to join the rest of us united in outrage!
These panels don't operate in a vacuum. There is almost always a similar case with which to refer to. The almost universal condemnation is proof something very wrong has occurred
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@Nepia said in Rugby World Cup news:
@Bovidae said in Rugby World Cup news:
Tonga should immediately appeal Moala's ban.
I don't know what I expected to see when I saw the clip of Moala - to warrant the 5 week ban I expected he stabbed someone on the field.
How can these two decisions come out around the same time?
I agree, but as I said, it made by 2 different judiciary boards. How many times have we looked at sentences in a law court and said what the f***? It is frustrating I know but it happens all the time!
@Dan54 Yep, two judiciary panels and two different offences.
Farrell - dangerous tackle - Law 9.13 - mid-range: suspension of 6 games if guilty
Moala - tip tackle - Law 9.18 - mid-range: suspension of 10 games if guiltyThe thing is, Farrell by all means looked guillty and because of the head contact, should have a mid-range starting point, but what Moala did probably didn't warrant a mid-range starting point, because the Canadian player didn't land dangerously (as far as I can see) and they should have applied a low-range starting point of 6 games. I can't remember Moala being a repeat offender, so he'd ended up with a 3-week ban. Farrell is a repeat offender but gets off the hook every damn time, so they'll probably consider him having a blank sheet, too.
Result would and should have (at least) been 3 weeks suspension for both, but we end up with Moala getting 5 and Farrell zero.
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mid-points and history don't mean anything when the panel somehow comes to the conclusion that it isn't a red card.
This may be the death of the early guilty plea, given even on super shakey, White Island type grounds, he got off by saying "wasn't a red card mate honest"
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mid-points and history don't mean anything when the panel somehow comes to the conclusion that it isn't a red card.
This may be the death of the early guilty plea, given even on super shakey, White Island type grounds, he got off by saying "wasn't a red card mate honest"
@mariner4life and they have thrown the ref and the TMO under the bus too.
I mean the TMO supposedly got this really wrong, Farrell spent time on the sideline, 'incorrectly', does the TMO get sanctioned for this now?
WR heading down a very slippery slope here opening themselves up if this happens in a big game and they have a history of inconsistent decisions.
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I've never seen the twitter hordes in near universal condemnation of this farce. World Rugby surely has to step in.
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I've never seen the twitter hordes in near universal condemnation of this farce. World Rugby surely has to step in.
@antipodean said in Rugby World Cup news:
I've never seen the twitter hordes in near universal condemnation of this farce. World Rugby surely has to step in.
rugby union reddit full of absolute nuffies
but
they are all 100% aligned as well. Even Farrells club AND country supporters are calling bullshit.
Rugby absolutely fucking hates itself aye -
@Dan54 Yep, two judiciary panels and two different offences.
Farrell - dangerous tackle - Law 9.13 - mid-range: suspension of 6 games if guilty
Moala - tip tackle - Law 9.18 - mid-range: suspension of 10 games if guiltyThe thing is, Farrell by all means looked guillty and because of the head contact, should have a mid-range starting point, but what Moala did probably didn't warrant a mid-range starting point, because the Canadian player didn't land dangerously (as far as I can see) and they should have applied a low-range starting point of 6 games. I can't remember Moala being a repeat offender, so he'd ended up with a 3-week ban. Farrell is a repeat offender but gets off the hook every damn time, so they'll probably consider him having a blank sheet, too.
Result would and should have (at least) been 3 weeks suspension for both, but we end up with Moala getting 5 and Farrell zero.
@Stargazer said in Rugby World Cup news:
@Dan54 Yep, two judiciary panels and two different offences.
Farrell - dangerous tackle - Law 9.13 - mid-range: suspension of 6 games if guilty
Moala - tip tackle - Law 9.18 - mid-range: suspension of 10 games if guiltyThe thing is, Farrell by all means looked guillty and because of the head contact, should have a mid-range starting point, but what Moala did probably didn't warrant a mid-range starting point, because the Canadian player didn't land dangerously (as far as I can see) and they should have applied a low-range starting point of 6 games. I can't remember Moala being a repeat offender, so he'd ended up with a 3-week ban. Farrell is a repeat offender but gets off the hook every damn time, so they'll probably consider him having a blank sheet, too.
Result would and should have (at least) been 3 weeks suspension for both, but we end up with Moala getting 5 and Farrell zero.
I say this in all seriousness.
I’d prefer you as the judge than the muppets they have milking the system now.
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I slowed down the landing of the Canadian player and I've changed my mind: the Canadian player did land on (the side of) his neck/head. It was dangerous and I think the mid-range starting point is correct.
This is a fraction of a second after the landing; lower part of his body still off the ground, clear contact of neck/head with ground.
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So many other people have got lengthy bans for tackles and offenses less than Farrell's (which they've always justified with "player safety is the most important thing") yet he gets away with this scott-free.
Not even a red card when these days your shoulder just needs to pass air next to someone's head to get a red card.
Angus T knocked himself out unintentionally in high tackle and got red carded and suspended.
Literally unbelievable...
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I slowed down the landing of the Canadian player and I've changed my mind: the Canadian player did land on (the side of) his neck/head. It was dangerous and I think the mid-range starting point is correct.
This is a fraction of a second after the landing; lower part of his body still off the ground, clear contact of neck/head with ground.
@Stargazer i think you were right the first time personally
arm and shoulder fit first, yes above horizontal etc so needs some punishment but didn't land straight on the head, i mean if the head is never allowed to touch the ground then we're in real trouble
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The Rugby Football Union insists it is listening, reiterating just this week a commitment to lower tackle height, with the intention of eliminating up to 4,000 head injuries a year. And yet it has just enlisted a barrister to argue, successfully, that Farrell should be exonerated for smashing into Basham’s head with such force that the Welsh back-rower failed a concussion protocol. What, pray, is the aim here? Is it truly to champion the cause of player welfare? Or is it simply to make sure that good old Owen makes it to Marseille on time?
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@Dan54 Yep, two judiciary panels and two different offences.
Farrell - dangerous tackle - Law 9.13 - mid-range: suspension of 6 games if guilty
Moala - tip tackle - Law 9.18 - mid-range: suspension of 10 games if guiltyThe thing is, Farrell by all means looked guillty and because of the head contact, should have a mid-range starting point, but what Moala did probably didn't warrant a mid-range starting point, because the Canadian player didn't land dangerously (as far as I can see) and they should have applied a low-range starting point of 6 games. I can't remember Moala being a repeat offender, so he'd ended up with a 3-week ban. Farrell is a repeat offender but gets off the hook every damn time, so they'll probably consider him having a blank sheet, too.
Result would and should have (at least) been 3 weeks suspension for both, but we end up with Moala getting 5 and Farrell zero.
@Stargazer said in Rugby World Cup news:
@Dan54 Yep, two judiciary panels and two different offences.
Farrell - dangerous tackle - Law 9.13 - mid-range: suspension of 6 games if guilty
Moala - tip tackle - Law 9.18 - mid-range: suspension of 10 games if guiltyThe thing is, Farrell by all means looked guillty and because of the head contact, should have a mid-range starting point, but what Moala did probably didn't warrant a mid-range starting point, because the Canadian player didn't land dangerously (as far as I can see) and they should have applied a low-range starting point of 6 games. I can't remember Moala being a repeat offender, so he'd ended up with a 3-week ban. Farrell is a repeat offender but gets off the hook every damn time, so they'll probably consider him having a blank sheet, too.
Result would and should have (at least) been 3 weeks suspension for both, but we end up with Moala getting 5 and Farrell zero.
Mate I not arguing about what I thought was right or wrong, made it clear I thought he should go for at least 6 weeks. Merely saying all the teeth gnashing a waste of time, it is not a WR cock up, I think it a judiciary one. And even comparing Moal's sentence and Farrell is like hitting yourself, one was found guilty and one was found not guilty, probably because (like in a lot of law courts) he had a good lawyer. Easier to just move on.
