Rugby World Cup general discussion
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@Catogrande said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
It's not ridiculous but it is unfortunate. The organisers have to balance trying to have some form of up to date seedings in the groups with the logistics of where the different teams will play, where they will be based and the planning of who each team will be playing. Doing it too far in advance and you have the potential for the current situation, do it too near the event and you have the potential for chaos. FWIW I don't think they have got it quite right but also feel that whatever they do there will be some issues.
I think that's a cop-out by WR to say teams/fans need to know where they are playing so far in advance. For Qatar 2022, FIFA did their draw and seedings only 7 months before the WC and they have more teams/fans/media etc. By WR doing this so early implies they lack the organisational and logistical skills.
@Bovidae said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
@Catogrande said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
It's not ridiculous but it is unfortunate. The organisers have to balance trying to have some form of up to date seedings in the groups with the logistics of where the different teams will play, where they will be based and the planning of who each team will be playing. Doing it too far in advance and you have the potential for the current situation, do it too near the event and you have the potential for chaos. FWIW I don't think they have got it quite right but also feel that whatever they do there will be some issues.
I think that's a cop-out by WR to say teams/fans need to know where they are playing so far in advance. For Qatar 2022, FIFA did their draw and seedings only 7 months before the WC and they have more teams/fans/media etc. By WR doing this so early implies they lack the organisational and logistical skills.
Well, that wasn’t WR saying that, it was me
But to counter your point, soccer and rugby have some significant differences when looking at putting on a tournament.
Turnaround time for a contact sport is/should be very different than for a contact sport. Generally there are many more available and suitable soccer stadiums than rugby stadiums and those are usually more geographically diverse. Also the wear and tear on a rugby pitch is much heavier than on a soccer pitch. Lastly, the facilities for preparing and maintaining a soccer pitch at usually much better than rugby ‘cos money.
But as I said, I’m not saying they got it right, but it’s nit that cut and dried either.
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@Catogrande said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
It's not ridiculous but it is unfortunate. The organisers have to balance trying to have some form of up to date seedings in the groups with the logistics of where the different teams will play, where they will be based and the planning of who each team will be playing. Doing it too far in advance and you have the potential for the current situation, do it too near the event and you have the potential for chaos. FWIW I don't think they have got it quite right but also feel that whatever they do there will be some issues.
I think that's a cop-out by WR to say teams/fans need to know where they are playing so far in advance. For Qatar 2022, FIFA did their draw and seedings only 7 months before the WC and they have more teams/fans/media etc. By WR doing this so early implies they lack the organisational and logistical skills.
@Bovidae said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
@Catogrande said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
It's not ridiculous but it is unfortunate. The organisers have to balance trying to have some form of up to date seedings in the groups with the logistics of where the different teams will play, where they will be based and the planning of who each team will be playing. Doing it too far in advance and you have the potential for the current situation, do it too near the event and you have the potential for chaos. FWIW I don't think they have got it quite right but also feel that whatever they do there will be some issues.
I think that's a cop-out by WR to say teams/fans need to know where they are playing so far in advance. For Qatar 2022, FIFA did their draw and seedings only 7 months before the WC and they have more teams/fans/media etc. By WR doing this so early implies they lack the organisational and logistical skills.
.....thats because all the venues were within a couple of hours drive of each other and everyone stayed in Doha or surrounds...thats a bit different that venues spread hundreds of km apart where people have to plan accomodation and transport...dont get me wrong, this was done too early...but i think thats not a great comparison
we've also had more change in the rankings over the last few years than ever before and so harder to predict this would be the result, i dont imagine we'll see the likes again
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I was only using the last FIFA WC as an example. Even accounting for the differences in resources between rugby and football, they use the seedings and have the draw much closer to the tournament regardless of where it is held.
For Russia 2018 the draw was in Dec 2017 using seedings from Oct 2017, and the tournament started in June 2018.
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Lack of midweek games is shit.
But the biggest crime is the lack of media sharing allowed by the various governing bodies. Wayne Barnes tries to share a nice moment and shit goes down.
https://x.com/garethreynolds/status/1709519765306237307?s=20
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who is whinging about the unfairness of the draw? There is nothing unfair about it. A tournament where the top 4 seeds are expected to walk in to the semi finals is a bit shit.
The only thing the draw has done is put a lot less emphasis on the NZ France game, and a bit less emphasis on the SA v Ireland game, as there was pretty much no difference between winning and losing in terms of tournament outcomes (because i don't reckon Scotland are anywhere near good enough to win this weekend).
The best part of the draw is that there is a genuine chance for Fiji to make a semi and give us something new.
Our pool we had a great opener, but it meant nothing. The rest of the games have been pointless, with Namibia copping a couple of pastings, and Italy failing to show up
The Ireland v SA gave us a cracking game of footy, but again the result means nothing. South Africa took care of Scotland pretty easily.
Fiji beating Australia was awesome, but that was put in perspective by Wales flogging them. Wales arriving at the tournament a shitshow but actually being competent is almost the story of the Cup. The Wallabies the other side of that story. In fact, this is probably the "story" pool. Wales' turnaround. Fiji qualifying, Australia's shit show. But it's a story about T2 teams so meh
England have walked their pool without showing much of anything except robotic organisation. Impressive from where they were, but hardly providing highlights. Argentina have been a severe disappointment, Samoa even more so. Japan are never more than plucky underdogs.i think we will get an amazing set of finals though. All four QFs should be excellent, and i think the tournament will be remembered very favourably because of it.
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Lack of midweek games is shit.
But the biggest crime is the lack of media sharing allowed by the various governing bodies. Wayne Barnes tries to share a nice moment and shit goes down.
https://x.com/garethreynolds/status/1709519765306237307?s=20
@NTA said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
Lack of midweek games is shit.
But the biggest crime is the lack of media sharing allowed by the various governing bodies. Wayne Barnes tries to share a nice moment and shit goes down.
https://x.com/garethreynolds/status/1709519765306237307?s=20
100%, I much prefered previous tournaments but can understand how it was unfair to some minnows, but surely they can do a timetable that reduced the number of days without games.
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who is whinging about the unfairness of the draw? There is nothing unfair about it. A tournament where the top 4 seeds are expected to walk in to the semi finals is a bit shit.
The only thing the draw has done is put a lot less emphasis on the NZ France game, and a bit less emphasis on the SA v Ireland game, as there was pretty much no difference between winning and losing in terms of tournament outcomes (because i don't reckon Scotland are anywhere near good enough to win this weekend).
The best part of the draw is that there is a genuine chance for Fiji to make a semi and give us something new.
Our pool we had a great opener, but it meant nothing. The rest of the games have been pointless, with Namibia copping a couple of pastings, and Italy failing to show up
The Ireland v SA gave us a cracking game of footy, but again the result means nothing. South Africa took care of Scotland pretty easily.
Fiji beating Australia was awesome, but that was put in perspective by Wales flogging them. Wales arriving at the tournament a shitshow but actually being competent is almost the story of the Cup. The Wallabies the other side of that story. In fact, this is probably the "story" pool. Wales' turnaround. Fiji qualifying, Australia's shit show. But it's a story about T2 teams so meh
England have walked their pool without showing much of anything except robotic organisation. Impressive from where they were, but hardly providing highlights. Argentina have been a severe disappointment, Samoa even more so. Japan are never more than plucky underdogs.i think we will get an amazing set of finals though. All four QFs should be excellent, and i think the tournament will be remembered very favourably because of it.
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@NTA said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
Seriously, at a time where we need to spread the word, WR wants to pull up the drawbridge
@NTA said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
Seriously, at a time where we need to spread the word, WR wants to pull up the drawbridge
Yeah it's so dumb, all the YouTubers who analyse rugby have to use stills or they get DCMA, how to utterly kill interest
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Agree completely. The tournament already loses momentum as a function of basically only playing at the weekends (for understandable physical recovery reasons). To then refuse to allow any posting of footage is myopically moronic. They deleted footage from Wayne Barnes own fucking post last night.
God save us from shit administrators
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Agree completely. The tournament already loses momentum as a function of basically only playing at the weekends (for understandable physical recovery reasons). To then refuse to allow any posting of footage is myopically moronic. They deleted footage from Wayne Barnes own fucking post last night.
God save us from shit administrators
@Dodge said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
Agree completely. The tournament already loses momentum as a function of basically only playing at the weekends (for understandable physical recovery reasons).
God save us from shit administrators
From Thursday 14 September through to Sunday 08 October we had the following (match days in bold)
Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday
13 match days in an 18 day period
If that's just the weekend in your world then I want your job
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@MiketheSnow said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
@Daffy-Jaffy said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
Scotland go through after all
MacSpringboks
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@mariner4life Wales and England very similar for me i.e. "Oh if we just play rugby that covers the basics, and work to our strengths, we'll win games."
Profound.
@NTA said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
@mariner4life Wales and England very similar for me i.e. "Oh if we just play rugby that covers the basics, and work to our strengths, we'll win games."
Profound.
They can do exits and gain useful territory through efficient kicking? It's a round of applause from me...
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Fair point, it hasn’t felt like that. Maybe that’s ITV4 as the problem, maybe it’s more that there just aren’t enough competitive games.
@Dodge said in Rugby World Cup general discussion:
Fair point, it hasn’t felt like that. Maybe that’s ITV4 as the problem, maybe it’s more that there just aren’t enough competitive games.
I’m an absolute sport addict, who spends too much time reading, thinking and talking about sport. Yet somehow I didn’t know that the AB game was last night, that it was on ITV4, until half time when I noticed the Fern thread blowing up.
I didn’t realise the England vs New Zealand CWC game was happening until the night before.
The publicity around both tournaments in the U.K. is incredibly poor.
