Chiefs v Highlanders
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@Kiwiwomble said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
whats up with Gatland?
What do you mean? Clearly, Gatland isn't going to start at 1st 5 ahead of DMac, and Ioane can play 10, 15 and even 12. He is also the better impact player as seen against the Crusaders.
McMillan has given most fit players a run in the first 3 Rds.
@Bovidae i guess i expected him to get more game time, he left us even though had a 50/50 chance to start at 10 with Hunt but i guess youre right with DMac...just feels daming he'd rather get the odd game on the bench with the chiefs than start for us....in saying that we dont know, maybe we told him he wasn;t wanted
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@Bovidae i guess i expected him to get more game time, he left us even though had a 50/50 chance to start at 10 with Hunt but i guess youre right with DMac...just feels daming he'd rather get the odd game on the bench with the chiefs than start for us....in saying that we dont know, maybe we told him he wasn;t wanted
@Kiwiwomble said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
@Bovidae i guess i expected him to get more game time, he left us even though had a 50/50 chance to start at 10 with Hunt but i guess youre right with DMac...just feels daming he'd rather get the odd game on the bench with the chiefs than start for us....in saying that we dont know, maybe we told him he wasn;t wanted
Daddy was Chiefs remember.
I do agree though that it is dumb for him to be a training jersey wearer only at the Chiefs when he could be well used at the Landers.
Need to bring back loan players IMO. Better that these guys play.
Even if Gatland would rather be backup in a good team, you guys could certainly do with a player like Reihana who gets no time at all. -
@Kiwiwomble said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
@Bovidae i guess i expected him to get more game time, he left us even though had a 50/50 chance to start at 10 with Hunt but i guess youre right with DMac...just feels daming he'd rather get the odd game on the bench with the chiefs than start for us....in saying that we dont know, maybe we told him he wasn;t wanted
Daddy was Chiefs remember.
I do agree though that it is dumb for him to be a training jersey wearer only at the Chiefs when he could be well used at the Landers.
Need to bring back loan players IMO. Better that these guys play.
Even if Gatland would rather be backup in a good team, you guys could certainly do with a player like Reihana who gets no time at all.Weber, Ratima, Roe, TTT.
DMac, Gatland, Ioane, Reihana.
ALB, Tupaea, Nankivell, Poihipi, Wrampling.
Rettalick, Vaaii, McWhannell, Lord, Selby-Ricket, Ah Kuoi.I wonder how Chiefs get away with their blatant stockpiling of halves, midfielders & locks?
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Weber, Ratima, Roe, TTT.
DMac, Gatland, Ioane, Reihana.
ALB, Tupaea, Nankivell, Poihipi, Wrampling.
Rettalick, Vaaii, McWhannell, Lord, Selby-Ricket, Ah Kuoi.I wonder how Chiefs get away with their blatant stockpiling of halves, midfielders & locks?
@kiwi_expat crusaders have done if before, blues too...different positions maybe...some times a team just ha sa culture that attracts players i guess
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Weber, Ratima, Roe, TTT.
DMac, Gatland, Ioane, Reihana.
ALB, Tupaea, Nankivell, Poihipi, Wrampling.
Rettalick, Vaaii, McWhannell, Lord, Selby-Ricket, Ah Kuoi.I wonder how Chiefs get away with their blatant stockpiling of halves, midfielders & locks?
@kiwi_expat TTT is an injury replacement for Roe. Nobody wanted him in 2023.
The Chiefs have lost plenty of halfbacks and 1st 5s to other teams too. The Crusaders have three of them.
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@kiwi_expat crusaders have done if before, blues too...different positions maybe...some times a team just ha sa culture that attracts players i guess
@Kiwiwomble I was being facetious
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Weber, Ratima, Roe, TTT.
DMac, Gatland, Ioane, Reihana.
ALB, Tupaea, Nankivell, Poihipi, Wrampling.
Rettalick, Vaaii, McWhannell, Lord, Selby-Ricket, Ah Kuoi.I wonder how Chiefs get away with their blatant stockpiling of halves, midfielders & locks?
@kiwi_expat said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
Weber, Ratima, Roe, TTT.
DMac, Gatland, Ioane, Reihana.
ALB, Tupaea, Nankivell, Poihipi, Wrampling.
Rettalick, Vaaii, McWhannell, Lord, Selby-Ricket, Ah Kuoi.I wonder how Chiefs get away with their blatant stockpiling of halves, midfielders & locks?
Stockpiled/top level player in bold. Injured players being carried in italics.
The rest of the depth is their own development which is simply what you do with a squad.I do agree though (and I have commented on the Saders stockpiling in the past) that there should be an avenue for players to go on loan and spread the talent when another franchise is empty.
That would be, for example, Gatland being loaned to the Clan -
@kiwi_expat said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
Weber, Ratima, Roe, TTT.
DMac, Gatland, Ioane, Reihana.
ALB, Tupaea, Nankivell, Poihipi, Wrampling.
Rettalick, Vaaii, McWhannell, Lord, Selby-Ricket, Ah Kuoi.I wonder how Chiefs get away with their blatant stockpiling of halves, midfielders & locks?
Stockpiled/top level player in bold. Injured players being carried in italics.
The rest of the depth is their own development which is simply what you do with a squad.I do agree though (and I have commented on the Saders stockpiling in the past) that there should be an avenue for players to go on loan and spread the talent when another franchise is empty.
That would be, for example, Gatland being loaned to the Clan -
@Crucial shelby ricket, Ioane and Gatland "their development"? even Weber headed north very well developed
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@Kiwiwomble Weber never played for another SR franchise.
@Stargazer no but that was largely just because people like Smith and even cowen were ahead of him in dunners, had turned out for otago and there were lots of us calling for him to turn out for the Highlanders, pretty much straight into starting for the chiefs show to me he was ready
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@Stargazer no but that was largely just because people like Smith and even cowen were ahead of him in dunners, had turned out for otago and there were lots of us calling for him to turn out for the Highlanders, pretty much straight into starting for the chiefs show to me he was ready
@Kiwiwomble He didn't start a single game in his first season at the Chiefs.
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my bad, i forgot you can never make a throwaway comment without getting pulled up, not going to check if youre right as i dont think it really matter, he still signed with the chiefs on the back of playing in dunedin which suggests to me he was ready for that next step. Not saying he hasn't got better being up there, just that he was 22-23 when he headed to the chiefs not some teenager
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Weber, Ratima, Roe, TTT.
DMac, Gatland, Ioane, Reihana.
ALB, Tupaea, Nankivell, Poihipi, Wrampling.
Rettalick, Vaaii, McWhannell, Lord, Selby-Ricket, Ah Kuoi.I wonder how Chiefs get away with their blatant stockpiling of halves, midfielders & locks?
@kiwi_expat said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
Weber, Ratima, Roe, TTT.
DMac, Gatland, Ioane, Reihana.
ALB, Tupaea, Nankivell, Poihipi, Wrampling.
Rettalick, Vaaii, McWhannell, Lord, Selby-Ricket, Ah Kuoi.I wonder how Chiefs get away with their blatant stockpiling of halves, midfielders & locks?
The Chiefs have the burden of having 4 feeder npc teams and always lose a bunch of players due to that. But it does leave them with better depth capabity overall than other super sides. If they only had 2 teams they could basically recruit for those two npc teams and for their development teams to plug any holes in either.
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my bad, i forgot you can never make a throwaway comment without getting pulled up, not going to check if youre right as i dont think it really matter, he still signed with the chiefs on the back of playing in dunedin which suggests to me he was ready for that next step. Not saying he hasn't got better being up there, just that he was 22-23 when he headed to the chiefs not some teenager
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@Kiwiwomble my bad also. Developed wasn’t the right word for all of them.
I think quite a few are just average for this level so can’t really be classified as hoarded@Crucial fair, didn't actually think my comment would go anywhere
im also just bitter, felt our squad wasn;t actually THAT bad preseason....have been proved wrong
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@Stargazer no but that was largely just because people like Smith and even cowen were ahead of him in dunners, had turned out for otago and there were lots of us calling for him to turn out for the Highlanders, pretty much straight into starting for the chiefs show to me he was ready
@Kiwiwomble said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
@Stargazer no but that was largely just because people like Smith and even cowen were ahead of him in dunners, had turned out for otago and there were lots of us calling for him to turn out for the Highlanders, pretty much straight into starting for the chiefs show to me he was ready
Weber had Josh Renton in front of him at Otago at the time. It baffled a lot of us. Turns out a reason why was because he was seen as a good time party boy who was perceived to prioritise getting on the piss ahead playing and training. He was clearly one of the best players in Dunedin Club Rugby at the time, in a Dunedin team that featured High Blake and Gareth Evans. His talent was clear to see, sadly, I think at the time, Tony Brown as coach liked Renton's work ethic. On reflection a silly move. It would have been interesting to see how he would have gone over the last decade, giving the Highlanders a 1-2 punch of Smith and Weber.
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seriously, burns to 15? when we have CGB on the bench make me mad, we thought he was a starting 10 last week...we're going to get another flogging
@Kiwiwomble said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
seriously, burns to 15?
I'm guessing they want his kicking game, and for him to come into first receiver often, but they don't trust his defence in the front line? His misses the previous week were costly
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I'm starting to think ALB may fall into the same category as Goodhue. Too broken, too often. Nothing wrong with his rugby brain but appears that injuries have curtailed his pace and impaired reaction time, making him easier to read for defences. Whilst I'm keen to see more of Poihipi, Chiefs midfield has a temporary look and feel to it with Nankivell heading offshore, whereas TUJ and Timu are progressing nicely complementing each other (and have been bright spots) in an underperforming team.
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I'm starting to think ALB may fall into the same category as Goodhue. Too broken, too often. Nothing wrong with his rugby brain but appears that injuries have curtailed his pace and impaired reaction time, making him easier to read for defences. Whilst I'm keen to see more of Poihipi, Chiefs midfield has a temporary look and feel to it with Nankivell heading offshore, whereas TUJ and Timu are progressing nicely complementing each other (and have been bright spots) in an underperforming team.
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@Jailbreak7 unfortunately Timu is now injured, landers backline casualty ward is ever growing Timu, Gilbert, Lowe, Nareki, Gregory
